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That's crazy Wrangler, I've never heard of this before, very interesting - highlights Jeremiah 17:9
Does The Bible Allow Slavery?
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No i dont believe the Bible allows slavery, although it does show a history of slavery.
And i dont believe God created slavery, it sounds like Noah cursed his son and thats how it came about.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan;
a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers.”
Lamech ended up taking at least two wives, and i wouldnt say God created polygamy. The people just started doing it. And God also outlawed polygamy part way through the Bible.
And i dont believe God created slavery, it sounds like Noah cursed his son and thats how it came about.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan;
a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers.”
Lamech ended up taking at least two wives, and i wouldnt say God created polygamy. The people just started doing it. And God also outlawed polygamy part way through the Bible.
Nowhere is this found except for Israelites. See Leviticus 25 and the year of jubilee.
Not once.
Leviticus 25:44
As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves.
Exodus 21:16
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“He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.'
Both slavery and sin were permitted for a period. No time limit has been given by God, but those who are aware are seeking to end slavery.
Equally God has dealt with sin through Jesus and will on his return finally close all sin.
And what does a kidnapper want with kidnapping someone?
The pleasure of their company! To offer them tea and cakes!
Or to either retain them as forced labor or to sell them as slaves.
@Wrangler
Consider the little book of Philemon. Philemon was apparently the owner of the slave, Onesimus, who had run away. Philemon was a believer, a Christian, and a slave owner. Onesimus, his slave, after running away, met Paul and became also a Christian believer. Paul's letter to Philemon did not ask that the returning slave be freed, but simply that he not punish Onesimus. He asks that anything owing by Onesimus be charged rather to himself...that is to Paul:
Consider the little book of Philemon. Philemon was apparently the owner of the slave, Onesimus, who had run away. Philemon was a believer, a Christian, and a slave owner. Onesimus, his slave, after running away, met Paul and became also a Christian believer. Paul's letter to Philemon did not ask that the returning slave be freed, but simply that he not punish Onesimus. He asks that anything owing by Onesimus be charged rather to himself...that is to Paul:
| "If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;" Philemon 18 |
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ChristinaL
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Lev 22:10 says hired servant not acquires through purchase. In biblical times times God in no way condoned menstealing.
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Oops! I meant v 11-23 if a priest buys a slave[a] as his property or money, the slave may eat of it, and anyone born in his house may eat of his food. If a priest's daughter marries a layman, she shall not eat of the contribution of the holy things.Lev 22:10 says hired servant not acquires through purchase. In biblical times times God in no way condoned menstealing.
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The Bible is not just a book full of stories. Rather, it provides the correct chronology for the history of humanity—starting in Genesis!
This is not condemning slavery as a sin but rather noting that a slave is to be considered as one in your own household, like a daughter or son.
ChristinaL
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That is all very true. I still stand by what I said though that God does not condone buying slaves. But vs 11 says soul, not slave. Some might say that's nitpicking but I really done see it quite that way. The problem was in OT times with slavery being so widespread, just suddenly putting an end to it would rather be like forcing a newborn to eat solid food. So God set very strict rules on how servants (or slaves if you will) were to be treated. And the vast majority of so called 'slaves' really werent- they were hired servants who would eventually be bondservants if they chose to stay with the family
ScottA
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Does The Bible Allow Slavery?
It is rather God who has allowed slavery. Not because it's good or okay--heaven forbid! But rather because the world needed to understand slavery, to live it, to feel it, to suffer it...in order to determine that slavery is not good, and that we should therefore not continue in the slavery brought on by sin; and thus to choose between good and evil, namely between God and this fallen world.
ChristinaL
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From another forum:
"Augustine and other Romans on Religion and Politics, Slaves of God" by Toni Alimi (published Dissertation) is really hitting at some powerful points that are forcing me to re-think how I've understood Augustine's views on slavery...I.e, he was pro-chattel-slavery, and he could have known better...
Gregory of Nyssa and Lactantius (both of whom Augustine would have known their writings), both overtly condemned slavery...yet Augustine did not...
Raises a tension with the common contemporary adage: "it was acceptable back then..." as much as slavery was a norm in 4th/5th century Roman life, Christians were speaking against it even then...so why not Augustine?"
"Augustine and other Romans on Religion and Politics, Slaves of God" by Toni Alimi (published Dissertation) is really hitting at some powerful points that are forcing me to re-think how I've understood Augustine's views on slavery...I.e, he was pro-chattel-slavery, and he could have known better...
Gregory of Nyssa and Lactantius (both of whom Augustine would have known their writings), both overtly condemned slavery...yet Augustine did not...
Raises a tension with the common contemporary adage: "it was acceptable back then..." as much as slavery was a norm in 4th/5th century Roman life, Christians were speaking against it even then...so why not Augustine?"
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