Does Anyone Here Believe in The Trinity?

[RLT63]

Feeling better about the forums now @RLT63?

Yes but still arguing with someone in another thread.

 

[Johann]

As the scriptures say he is.

..and not as the rabbis teach against the commandments of God
I notice this door of utterance is closing.


Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Mar 7:6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME.
Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."




10For the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and He has closed your eyes; the prophets and your heads who stargaze, He has covered. יכִּֽי־נָסַ֨ךְ עֲלֵיכֶ֚ם יְהֹוָה֙ ר֣וּחַ תַּרְדֵּמָ֔ה וַיְעַצֵּ֖ם אֶת־עֵֽינֵיכֶ֑ם אֶת־הַנְּבִיאִ֛ים וְאֶת־רָֽאשֵׁיכֶ֥ם הַֽחֹזִ֖ים כִּסָּֽה:
11And the vision of everything has been to you like the words of a sealed book, which they give to one who can read, saying, "Now read this," and he shall say, "I cannot, for it is sealed." יאוַתְּהִ֨י לָכֶ֜ם חָז֣וּת הַכֹּ֗ל כְּדִבְרֵי֘ הַסֵּ֣פֶר הֶֽחָתוּם֒ אֲשֶׁר־יִתְּנ֣וּ אֹת֗וֹ אֶל־יוֹדֵ֥עַ סֵ֛פֶר (כתיב הסֵ֛פֶר) לֵאמֹ֖ר קְרָ֣א נָא־זֶ֑ה וְאָמַר֙ לֹ֣א אוּכַ֔ל כִּ֥י חָת֖וּם הֽוּא:
12And if the book is given to one who cannot read, saying, "Now read this," he shall say, "I cannot read." יבוְנִתַּ֣ן הַסֵּ֗פֶר עַל֩ אֲשֶׁ֨ר לֹֽא־יָדַ֥ע סֵ֛פֶר לֵאמֹ֖ר קְרָ֣א נָא־זֶ֑ה וְאָמַ֕ר לֹ֥א יָדַ֖עְתִּי סֵֽפֶר:
13And the Lord said: "Because this people has come near; with their mouth and with their lips they honor Me, but their heart they draw far away from Me, and their fear of Me has become a command of people, which has been taught. יגוַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֲדֹנָ֗י יַעַן כִּ֚י נִגַּשׁ֙ הָעָ֣ם הַזֶּ֔ה בְּפִ֚יו וּבִשְׂפָתָיו֙ כִּבְּד֔וּנִי וְלִבּ֖וֹ רִחַ֣ק מִמֶּ֑נִּי וַתְּהִ֚י יִרְאָתָם֙ אֹתִ֔י מִצְוַ֥ת אֲנָשִׁ֖ים מְלֻמָּדָֽה:
14Therefore, I will continue to perform obscurity to this people, obscurity upon obscurity, and the wisdom of his wise men shall be lost, and the understanding of his geniuses shall be hidden. ידלָכֵ֗ן הִנְנִ֥י יוֹסִ֛ף לְהַפְלִ֥יא אֶת־הָעָם־הַזֶּ֖ה הַפְלֵ֣א וָפֶ֑לֶא וְאָֽבְדָה֙ חָכְמַ֣ת חֲכָמָ֔יו וּבִינַ֥ת נְבֹנָ֖יו תִּסְתַּתָּֽר:
15Woe to those who think deeply to hide counsel from the Lord, and their deeds are in the dark. And they said, "Who sees us and who knows us?" טוה֛וֹי הַמַּֽעֲמִיקִ֥ים מֵֽיהֹוָ֖ה לַסְתִּ֣ר עֵצָ֑ה וְהָיָ֚ה בְמַחְשָׁךְ֙ מַ֣עֲשֵׂיהֶ֔ם וַיֹּ֣אמְר֔וּ מִ֥י רֹאֵ֖נוּ וּמִ֥י יֹֽדְעֵֽנוּ:
16Shall your perversion be regarded like the potter's clay? Shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me," and the impulse say to the One Who formed it, "He does not understand"? טזהַ֨פְכְּכֶ֔ם אִם־כְּחֹ֥מֶר הַיֹּצֵ֖ר יֵֽחָשֵׁ֑ב כִּֽי־יֹאמַ֨ר מַֽעֲשֶׂ֚ה לְעֹשֵׂ֙הוּ֙ לֹ֣א עָשָׂ֔נִי וְיֵ֛צֶר אָמַ֥ר לְיֹֽצְר֖וֹ לֹ֥א הֵבִֽין:
17Indeed, in a short time, the Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be regarded as a forest. יזהֲלֹא־עוֹד֙ מְעַ֣ט מִזְעָ֔ר וְשָׁ֥ב לְבָנ֖וֹן לַכַּרְמֶ֑ל וְהַכַּרְמֶ֖ל לַיַּ֥עַר יֵֽחָשֵֽׁב:
18And on that day the deaf shall hear the words of the book, and out of the obscurity and out of darkness shall the eyes of the blind see. יחוְשָֽׁמְע֧וּ בַיּֽוֹם־הַה֛וּא הַחֵֽרְשִׁ֖ים דִּבְרֵי־סֵ֑פֶר וּמֵאֹ֣פֶל וּמֵחֹ֔שֶׁךְ עֵינֵ֥י עִוְרִ֖ים תִּרְאֶֽינָה:

For the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and He has closed your eyes; the prophets and your heads who stargaze, He has covered. יכִּֽי־נָסַ֨ךְ עֲלֵיכֶ֚ם יְהֹוָה֙ ר֣וּחַ תַּרְדֵּמָ֔ה וַיְעַצֵּ֖ם אֶת־עֵֽינֵיכֶ֑ם אֶת־הַנְּבִיאִ֛ים וְאֶת־רָֽאשֵׁיכֶ֥ם הַֽחֹזִ֖ים כִּסָּֽה:


2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
2Th 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Charlie24]

As the scriptures say he is.

Jesus said that He has the power to forgive sin on this earth, while He was here in the flesh.

Who but God can forgive sin? His deity as God is very evident in scripture, as you said.

There is a problem with the faith of one who denies that deity.

As Paul put it, I believe their faith is in "another Jesus."

1 Cor. 11:4
"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

The witness of another spirit is evident in the denial of the deity of Christ!

 

[RLT63]

..and not as the rabbis teach against the commandments of God
I notice this door of utterance is closing.


Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Mar 7:6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME.
Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."




10For the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and He has closed your eyes; the prophets and your heads who stargaze, He has covered. יכִּֽי־נָסַ֨ךְ עֲלֵיכֶ֚ם יְהֹוָה֙ ר֣וּחַ תַּרְדֵּמָ֔ה וַיְעַצֵּ֖ם אֶת־עֵֽינֵיכֶ֑ם אֶת־הַנְּבִיאִ֛ים וְאֶת־רָֽאשֵׁיכֶ֥ם הַֽחֹזִ֖ים כִּסָּֽה:
11And the vision of everything has been to you like the words of a sealed book, which they give to one who can read, saying, "Now read this," and he shall say, "I cannot, for it is sealed." יאוַתְּהִ֨י לָכֶ֜ם חָז֣וּת הַכֹּ֗ל כְּדִבְרֵי֘ הַסֵּ֣פֶר הֶֽחָתוּם֒ אֲשֶׁר־יִתְּנ֣וּ אֹת֗וֹ אֶל־יוֹדֵ֥עַ סֵ֛פֶר (כתיב הסֵ֛פֶר) לֵאמֹ֖ר קְרָ֣א נָא־זֶ֑ה וְאָמַר֙ לֹ֣א אוּכַ֔ל כִּ֥י חָת֖וּם הֽוּא:
12And if the book is given to one who cannot read, saying, "Now read this," he shall say, "I cannot read." יבוְנִתַּ֣ן הַסֵּ֗פֶר עַל֩ אֲשֶׁ֨ר לֹֽא־יָדַ֥ע סֵ֛פֶר לֵאמֹ֖ר קְרָ֣א נָא־זֶ֑ה וְאָמַ֕ר לֹ֥א יָדַ֖עְתִּי סֵֽפֶר:
13And the Lord said: "Because this people has come near; with their mouth and with their lips they honor Me, but their heart they draw far away from Me, and their fear of Me has become a command of people, which has been taught. יגוַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֲדֹנָ֗י יַעַן כִּ֚י נִגַּשׁ֙ הָעָ֣ם הַזֶּ֔ה בְּפִ֚יו וּבִשְׂפָתָיו֙ כִּבְּד֔וּנִי וְלִבּ֖וֹ רִחַ֣ק מִמֶּ֑נִּי וַתְּהִ֚י יִרְאָתָם֙ אֹתִ֔י מִצְוַ֥ת אֲנָשִׁ֖ים מְלֻמָּדָֽה:
14Therefore, I will continue to perform obscurity to this people, obscurity upon obscurity, and the wisdom of his wise men shall be lost, and the understanding of his geniuses shall be hidden. ידלָכֵ֗ן הִנְנִ֥י יוֹסִ֛ף לְהַפְלִ֥יא אֶת־הָעָם־הַזֶּ֖ה הַפְלֵ֣א וָפֶ֑לֶא וְאָֽבְדָה֙ חָכְמַ֣ת חֲכָמָ֔יו וּבִינַ֥ת נְבֹנָ֖יו תִּסְתַּתָּֽר:
15Woe to those who think deeply to hide counsel from the Lord, and their deeds are in the dark. And they said, "Who sees us and who knows us?" טוה֛וֹי הַמַּֽעֲמִיקִ֥ים מֵֽיהֹוָ֖ה לַסְתִּ֣ר עֵצָ֑ה וְהָיָ֚ה בְמַחְשָׁךְ֙ מַ֣עֲשֵׂיהֶ֔ם וַיֹּ֣אמְר֔וּ מִ֥י רֹאֵ֖נוּ וּמִ֥י יֹֽדְעֵֽנוּ:
16Shall your perversion be regarded like the potter's clay? Shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me," and the impulse say to the One Who formed it, "He does not understand"? טזהַ֨פְכְּכֶ֔ם אִם־כְּחֹ֥מֶר הַיֹּצֵ֖ר יֵֽחָשֵׁ֑ב כִּֽי־יֹאמַ֨ר מַֽעֲשֶׂ֚ה לְעֹשֵׂ֙הוּ֙ לֹ֣א עָשָׂ֔נִי וְיֵ֛צֶר אָמַ֥ר לְיֹֽצְר֖וֹ לֹ֥א הֵבִֽין:
17Indeed, in a short time, the Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be regarded as a forest. יזהֲלֹא־עוֹד֙ מְעַ֣ט מִזְעָ֔ר וְשָׁ֥ב לְבָנ֖וֹן לַכַּרְמֶ֑ל וְהַכַּרְמֶ֖ל לַיַּ֥עַר יֵֽחָשֵֽׁב:
18And on that day the deaf shall hear the words of the book, and out of the obscurity and out of darkness shall the eyes of the blind see. יחוְשָֽׁמְע֧וּ בַיּֽוֹם־הַה֛וּא הַחֵֽרְשִׁ֖ים דִּבְרֵי־סֵ֑פֶר וּמֵאֹ֣פֶל וּמֵחֹ֔שֶׁךְ עֵינֵ֥י עִוְרִ֖ים תִּרְאֶֽינָה:

For the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and He has closed your eyes; the prophets and your heads who stargaze, He has covered. יכִּֽי־נָסַ֨ךְ עֲלֵיכֶ֚ם יְהֹוָה֙ ר֣וּחַ תַּרְדֵּמָ֔ה וַיְעַצֵּ֖ם אֶת־עֵֽינֵיכֶ֑ם אֶת־הַנְּבִיאִ֛ים וְאֶת־רָֽאשֵׁיכֶ֥ם הַֽחֹזִ֖ים כִּסָּֽה:


2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
2Th 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Is there a point to this post? Which view do you believe is strong delusion?

 

[Johann]

Is there a point to this post? Which view do you believe is strong delusion?

The view of those denying the deity of Christ, but I have noticed a strong influence of two well established.....making their "creeds" known.
Stick around, you will find out.

 

[RLT63]

The view of those denying the deity of Christ, but I have noticed a strong influence of two well known.....making their "creeds" known.
Stick around, you will find out.

Okay thanks

 

[Pearl]

As the scriptures say he is.

Yes - absolutely.

 

[APAK]

Out of 2.65 billion Christians, 97% of them are Trinitarian. Since it is a fundamental belief, if it were wrong, wouldn 't you think that the Holy Spirit, our Teacher and Guide to all Truth, would have corrected it?

To be really blunt in answering your question, the answer is clearly no! That's why of these 97 percent you mentioned only a fraction are true genuine Christians. There is a wide path and a narrow one and only a few find the latter, to life. I'm happy I have picked the narrow path Ron.

 

[APAK]

LOL...a truly valuable research tool....: if you want someone's opinion. Is that what we need? Or do we need sound scriptural knowledge about what Jesus actually said as opposed to what you want him to have said...?


It always makes me smile when I see all these quotes with Jesus saying "I am". None of those occasions was Jesus telling the world that he was God.
In Greek there are no capital or lower case letters so translators can put in capitals wherever they like, just like punctuation which can change the whole meaning of a sentence or statement.

Check out how many translations use capitals and how many do not.
John 8:58 - Bible Gateway

Now count how many incorrectly translate "eimi" as "I am"....when he was asked about a situation in the past and gives an answer in the present....it is grammatically incorrect in English. If he had said "I am God" now that would have been something entirely different....but he didn't.

Have you ever read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Jewish Tanakh? Surely the Jews know how to translate their own scripture?

"And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:

14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"

What do you see as the translation of verse 14?....."God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

Was God's name a statement of his existence? (I AM) Didn't the Israelites know what God's name was? He had been the God of their forefathers, so God wasn't telling them that 'he is' (exists) because they saw him in action in Egypt...the ten plagues, and after their release, the pillars of fire and smoke that guided them through the wilderness.

God's name was a statement of what he intended to "be" to his chosen nation.
What was his name that carried this meaning?......"יְהֹוָ֞ה"....Yahweh....(Jehovah in English).

What was to be God's name forever? Jesus? NO! Yahweh....Yahweh is not Jesus and not one single scripture says he was.

There is no connection between Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 except in the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with this teaching.

If you look up John 8:58 in Strongs Concordance you will see that "eimi" has more than one meaning.
"εἰμί eimí, i-mee'; the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic):—am, have been, × it is I, was".

Reading it in context you will see that Jesus was responding to a question that the Jews had put to him....
"Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see My day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (NASB)

To interpret that statement as Jesus admitting to being God, is to fail to understand what he was responding to....a question about his age.
He was telling those Jews that he existed before Abraham was even born.
So according to Strongs, Jesus' statement could just as correctly be rendered ..."before Abraham was born I was"...or "I have been".
There is no "I AM".

You guys will cling to any suggestion that supports your trinity.....but you do not seem to do any research to see if what you believe is even true.

Ignorance knows no bounds I'm afraid AJ. If I wagered anyone, or everyone on this site to show me 'I am (he)' translated from common Greek is the same, or always means the same as in Hebrew, like in Exodus, I would make a tidy sum. I'm really saying that many here and even on this thread speak empty words on this subject and cannot show the work or a decent commentary to support it. They run from it when confronted......and I'm still waiting since being on this site for one Triune believer to show a persuasive argument.........

 

[Matthias]

I’m glad there are trinitarians here, and I wish there were more.

Why? Though not a prophet myself, I was startled this morning to find the answer provided in Ezekiel.

 

[farouk]

I’m glad there are trinitarians here, and I wish there were more.

Why? Though not a prophet myself, I was startled this morning to find the answer provided in Ezekiel.

Did you have a particular verse in mind in Ezekiel?

 

[Matthias]

Which view do you believe is strong delusion?

Had you asked me that question I would have replied: any view that doesn’t align with the Messiah’s.

 

[Matthias]

Did you have a particular verse in mind in Ezekiel?

Certainly. Ezekiel 2:7.

 

[RLT63]

Ignorance knows no bounds I'm afraid AJ. If I wagered anyone, or everyone on this site to show me 'I am (he)' translated from common Greek is the same, or always means the same as in Hebrew, like in Exodus, I would make a tidy sum. I'm really saying that many here and even on this thread speak empty words on this subject and cannot show the work or a decent commentary to support it. They run from it when confronted......and I'm still waiting since being on this site for one Triune believer to show a persuasive argument.........

8:58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί
Jhn 8:58

¶
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jhn 8:59

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Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus after this comment?

 

[APAK]

Certainly. Ezekiel 2:7.

Rebellious indeed!
(Eze 2:8) But you, son of man, hear what I tell you; don’t be rebellious like that rebellious house: open your mouth, and eat that which I give you.
We are to take and digest the word of God beyond the mind, to the very core of our beings, within our hearts and live this truth given to us everyday. It is the truth and no mind-bending argument or popular or appealing slogan or addictive explanation can alter it.

 

[farouk]

8:58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί
Jhn 8:58

¶
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jhn 8:59

¶
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


Why did the Pharisees want to stone Jesus after this comment?

His glorious Deity was opposed.

 

[Matthias]

Rebellious indeed!
(Eze 2:8) But you, son of man, hear what I tell you; don’t be rebellious like that rebellious house: open your mouth, and eat that which I give you.
We are to take and digest the word of God beyond the mind, to the very core of our beings, within our hearts and live this truth given to us everyday. It is the truth and no mind-bending argument or popular or appealing slogan or addictive explanation can alter it.

I must have read verses 4-8 a dozen times between this morning and this afternoon. It really spoke to me and expressed what I’ve thought for four decades. Why see it today, when I’ve read it so many times before and didn’t? I don’t know, but I’m delighted that I did.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I'm new here and was just in a couple of discussions concerning the deity of Christ and The Trinity and I seemed to be outnumbered by those who deny that Jesus is God or deny belief in The Trinity. I just wondered if these are the beliefs of most of the people here. I didn't find anything in the Welcome about a statement of faith or anything. The other forum I'm on requires belief in The Nicene Creed to claim you are a Christian but I didn't see anything similar here. Maybe I missed something? Thanks

Welcome to cultianity board. The site has been swamped with cults and unsound doctrine for years.

 

[RLT63]

Welcome to cultianity board. The site has been swamped with cults and unsound doctrine for years.

I see

 

[Matthias]

Welcome to cultianity board. The site has been swamped with cults and unsound doctrine for years.

Does it matter? Is it a salvation issue?