Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

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amigo de christo

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John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So lets examine who is taking GOD at his word and who is following another spirit , another one who has come in His own name .
JESUS said
YOU have NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU
for HE whom GOD did send you beleive not .
Pope francis and others imply , OH IT DONT MATTER if one beleives so long as they have love , they do love GOD and etc .
GUESS WHICH ONE I WONT BE HEEDING .
JESUS said he who does not hear you , recieve you , does not recieve me and HE who recieves not me
recieves not HE WHO SENT ME .
John said we are of GOD little children . HE who hears us is of GOD , he who does not IS NOT OF GOD .
Todays lovey do says , NAY not so , just hug and have common ground with all religoins we all serve the same GOD .
WHO YA THINK i am gonna heed .
ITS BIBLE TIME FOLKS .
WHO is a liar , HE who denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
today its JUDGE NOT you monster , you have no right to say this , how dare you judge
as they quickly have forgotten THEY JUDGE JESUS HIMSELF , HIS WORDS .
I simply AGREE WITH HIS WORDS and do tell to all them reminders .
SO WHO BE JUDGING WHO . MY WORDS SHALL BE YOUR JUDGE JESUS SAID . many judge his words
as though they are A LIE and trust rather in todays lovey do unity social gospel inclusive pile of feces .
HE who believes not the testimony that GOD GAVE OF HIS SON
IS CALLING GOD a liar .
TODAY they say otherwise . WHO you think i am gonna heed . it sure aint them
ITS THE WORDS of TRUTH inspired of GOD IN THAT BIBLE that i trust in , cause i KNOW WHO INSPIRED THEM WORDS
GOD DID .
 

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this all inclusive generation can make all the accusations they desire and want to about me .
But just remember if i really am simply bringing the reminders JESUS and later the apostels gave ,
WHO IS IT they really think is the monster and the hater . WELL ITS HE WHO INSPIRED THEM WORDS
and who is it they really be a loving , the one who came to cause them to NOT BELEIVE what GOD SAID , what CHRIST said
For more info about that one i suggest we look at the sepent that tempted eve at the tree . ITS THE DEVIL folks love
and GOD they seem to hate , though they claim GOD is LOVE and they love GOD .
Satan is very slick my friends . BUT the lambs wont heed him or his men or his verison of love either .
 
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Why persecutest thou me paul . JESUS said that .
WHOM thou persecutest .
yet i thought paul was persecuting the church . HE was .
You see its the one WHO lives in them who has made them different to the world .
And what the world really hates IS GOD .
We are NOT GOD , we are NOT CHRIST
however we do have THE SPIRIT of GOD and OF CHRIST
and that SPRIIT has shed the love of THE TRUTH upon our hearts .
Many feed from the palms of men gone wrong a food that will end in their perditoin .
ITS BIBLE TIME . feast of that meat , learn of CHRIST , learn and
LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar . IN other words UNDERSTAND that every WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH
and its men that can decieve , TEST THEM ALL against THE TRUTH .
and no matter what one teaches , LET GOD BE TRUE not their false doctrine .
 
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I don't think Calvin was alive during the New Age Movement. But the question is, did you give my posts a fair hearing or did you simple hear what you wanted to hear? Just asking. Read my latest post to @Eternally Grateful where I argue that the premise of OSAS debate is wrong on both sides of the debate.

In any case, Jesus and the apostles all agreed that God saves us, we don't save ourselves.
new age is naught but a seducing religoin . It has been long before even calvin was .
There are but two religoins . EITHER OF GOD or of the dragon .
Now the false religoin has many other religoins under it who do it works though they do not all agree one with the other .
THE MYSTERY of inquity has long been at work
and that which is of ANTI CHRIST has grown massive and many now feed
from the cup it calleth love . IT has turned their hearts against GOD , against CHRIST
using only a few key phrases JESUS said in order to simply merge all religions .
IT USES HIS NAME and a few phrases to seduce and to decieve .
NOW WHO DOES THAT I wonder . OH yeah satan does .
 
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I believe he has me on ignore,. which is why he does not respond to my posts..
Dont feel too bad , most have me on ignore too . I am long used to it by now .
And wish them no evil or destruction . But know this , not one person will silence my mouth
TILL MY TIME BE UP . and MAY GOD always give me the strength , the utterance to DO SO .
Yes , i have long made my mind up and its VERY FULLY PERSAUDED
that i will not back off from teaching the reminders JESUS did
and to expose any lie no matter if it try and call itself love .
This is gonna cost my friend . OH but dont you weep for me
weep for those who DENY JESUS the CHRIST and HIS teachings
and do all to point them in the right direction .
remember to correct error or sin , IS NOT SIN OR HATEFUL , its caring and needful .
 
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Salvation is simple and secure.
It is all about honesty and intent.
But making up your own rules and doing anything you want is going to get you to Hell. A person that believes in Christ has to work their way to Hell and it seems you know the way. OSAS is a ticket to Hell.
The problem is this .
now you will notice two words one will be captilized the other not .
JESUS CHRIST , jesus christ
Why is that name capitlized and yet the other not captilized .
Gospel gospel
LOVE love
UNITY unity
LIBERTY , liberty
THE REASON WHY ONE is captilized is because ONE IS OF GOD the other version using such words and that name BE NOT OF GOD .
we got us a lot of fleecers in the house who love to fleece them some flocks .
BIBLE TIME .
 

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Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

Some Christians hold to the belief that Spirit baptism replaces water baptism. I recently held to this belief but I reverted back to my old position that we are to water baptize others and be water baptized.
To me water baptism was only a foreshadowing —> pointing to—-> buried with Jesus in the putting off of the old man, and having been raised up with Christ in newness of Life, putting on of the New Man.

See how the action of going under the water and coming up New …speaks of buried and raised up New. But the foreshadowing is not able to make any New …but it’s a story foretelling of what God does in the Spirit. The only One that is able to make one New and reconciled unto God is the Being crucified with Jesus Christ —buried and lifted up of God into Life Anew.

We see all the “symbols” but the symbols tell of something Greater. Like where Jesus Christ said I only do what I see my Father doing, and I only say what I hear My Father saying..God is Spirit.
So consider when Jesus Christ healed physically…did Jesus heal physically to show or reveal what His Father—the Father of spirits was doing “Spiritually healing”? Same with the temple made with hands or the Temple made without hands…why go back to water baptism thinking it makes one perfect instead of “buried and lifted up with Him”? Same with animal sacrifices or the Lamb of God …? Why did God despise their animal sacrifices? Pronouncing “I’m sick of your sacrifices”?
 

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OSAS is part of the New Age Movement. OSAS is not a belief that Christ or the Apostles taught, it is not what the history of Christianity taught.....You do not see it in Christian history until relatively recently. As part of Calvinism it is just part of a false religion, the man was nutz.
What? - LOL

Eternal security means Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS)

Are you promoting eternal INsecurity? (wait and see) ???

New Age? - LOL
What are you talking about?

Part of Calvinism? - LOL

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Hey, Calvinism is recent. John Calvin was born in 1947. It says so right here:
I agree, But...
- OSAS is not a part of the New Age Movement.
- Eternal security is indeed part of what Christ and the Apostles taught.
- And certainly a part of Christian history. (eternal security) as opposed to eternal insecurity.
- Granted, the term "OSAS" is recent...
- Not sure that OSAS (eternal security) has anything to do with Calvinism, ???

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OSAS is part of the New Age Movement. OSAS is not a belief that Christ or the Apostles taught, it is not what the history of Christianity taught.....You do not see it in Christian history until relatively recently. As part of Calvinism it is just part of a false religion, the man was nutz.

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I agree, But...
- OSAS is not a prat of the New Age Movement.
- Eternal security is indeed part of what Christ or the Apostles taught.
- And certainly a part of Christian history. (eternal security) as opposed to eternal insecurity.
- Granted, the term "OSAS" is recent...
- Not sure that OSAS has anything to do with Calvinism, ???

Grailhunter said:
OSAS is part of the New Age Movement. OSAS is not a belief that Christ or the Apostles taught, it is not what the history of Christianity taught.....You do not see it in Christian history until relatively recently. As part of Calvinism it is just part of a false religion, the man was nutz.

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That was the wrong John Calvin [actor]
 
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The problem is this .
now you will notice two words one will be captilized the other not .
JESUS CHRIST , jesus christ
Why is that name capitlized and yet the other not captilized .
Gospel gospel
LOVE love
UNITY unity
LIBERTY , liberty
THE REASON WHY ONE is captilized is because ONE IS OF GOD the other version using such words and that name BE NOT OF GOD .
we got us a lot of fleecers in the house who love to fleece them some flocks .
BIBLE TIME .

You can make your point but to some degree it does not matter because the word Jesus is not in the scriptures. In fact the names of God the Father and God the Son are not in the OT or NT. The Greek name that everyone points to in the NT for Jesus is not a name it is a Greek word that means healer, not his name. Yeshus' mother would not have named her Son with a Greek word. Her and her Son were Jewish.

No one knows where the word Jesus came from, just that it appears in the 17th century and by the way there are no "Js" in the Bible.... Yahweh and Yeshua.
 

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To me water baptism was only a foreshadowing —> pointing to—-> buried with Jesus in the putting off of the old man, and having been raised up with Christ in newness of Life, putting on of the New Man.

See how the action of going under the water and coming up New …speaks of buried and raised up New. But the foreshadowing is not able to make any New …but it’s a story foretelling of what God does in the Spirit. The only One that is able to make one New and reconciled unto God is the Being crucified with Jesus Christ —buried and lifted up of God into Life Anew.

We see all the “symbols” but the symbols tell of something Greater. Like where Jesus Christ said I only do what I see my Father doing, and I only say what I hear My Father saying..God is Spirit.
So consider when Jesus Christ healed physically…did Jesus heal physically to show or reveal what His Father—the Father of spirits was doing “Spiritually healing”? Same with the temple made with hands or the Temple made without hands…why go back to water baptism thinking it makes one perfect instead of “buried and lifted up with Him”? Same with animal sacrifices or the Lamb of God …? Why did God despise their animal sacrifices? Pronouncing “I’m sick of your sacrifices”?

The study of symbols and rituals in the ancient world gives a lot of insight to the Bible.
You are right that the Water Baptism point to the death and burial and resurrection of Christ.

Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:4

And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ Acts 22:16 What Does the Bible Say About Baptism?

Words and symbols were very important for understanding in the ancient world. In the ancient world Christianity was both unique and complex, but the process of salvation was simple….do and believe if you want to be saved. There was no discussion on the option of “do it your own way."

But everyone is free to do their own way and see how it turns out.
Does anything matter? A lot of people question if anything matters.

What is faith?
Does Faith matter?
Does Faith have power? Or is it just an opinion?
What does belief mean?
Is Faith necessary for Salvation?
What does it mean to be a follower of Christ?
What does the Bread and Wine Ritual mean?
What does the Bread and Wine Ritual do?
Is the Bread and Wine Ritual necessary for Salvation?
What does Water Baptism mean?
What does Water Baptism do?
What is Spiritual Baptism? You just think about it?
Is it necessary for Salvation?
What is Christian morality?
Is it really necessary for Salvation?
Does anything mean anything?

And really can we comprehend the totality of the spiritual effects of all these things? If not….is it just more correct and wiser to simply do and believe what Christ and the Apostles said to do?
And what did the Apostles say to those that preached something different?

Galatians 1:6-9 says, 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Galatians 1:8 says, "But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed". 2nd Corinthians 11:4 says, "For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough"
 
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That was the wrong John Calvin [actor]
Johann i have a simple question for you my dear friend .
Did satan tell eve GOD is not real . Did he cause eve to not believe in GOD
or rather did he trick eve into not believing something GOD had said .
Many follow another jesus my friend . many .
Did satan try and tell JESUS there is no GOD
or did he try and get him to do something contrary to GOD .
A LOT of folks in Christendom might cliam to BELIEVE IN JESUS the CHRIST
but they sure seem to be following one who seems to contradict something JESUS said
to get them to believe in what it implies .
Finding common ground IS OF THE DEVIL . i will have no part in this gathering
with any religoin for any cause no matter if even the cause seemeth good .
My suggestion , WE better do the same .
Someone has been convincing not only the world but even christendom
and it sure is even using the name of JESUS the CHRIST . folks better watch out .
 
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That was the wrong John Calvin [actor]
That was the wrong jesus church . this is all i need say .
christendom in large , and the numbers grow larger daily,
are following another jesus . this is a fact my near and my dear friend .
The devil knows how to decieve .
You do not come within christendom telling folks there is no JESUS the CHRIST
you come within christendom preaching another jesus . we better all be on guard .
 
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