Do we know the year of Christ's return?

[Keraz]

Just a quick story. When my mom was a little girl, she went to Sunday School and never missed. In 1948 her teacher told her about the Jews being returned to their homeland. The teacher's interpretation was that this generation would not pass away before Jesus came again. Since then over 70 year have passed and the word 'generation' has been sliced, diced, poked, prodded beyond any reasonable expectation.

We should be careful how we evaluate world events while we wait with great expectation for our Lord's return.

Blessings to all.

One day: what has been Prophesied, will come to pass. Or our Bibles are just so much fiction!
The first event will be the reset of our civilization, to a similar degree as what happened in the days of Noah. Jesus does not Return to a world just like it is now; Revelation makes that very clear.

Re; the word 'generation', as used in Matthew 24:34. Jesus is referring to the people who will be alive at the time these things happen. Namely the budding of the fig tree - the return of Jewish Israel to a small portion of the holy Land. As happened in May 1948.
I was alive then and I fully expect to see Jesus Return before I die.

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

I agree that we cannot set a specific date for the second coming. I also agree with QT that we can know through observation of the signs when He is at the door. With that said, below is a link to a discussion regarding occult and secular views on the subject and what date they have set for the coming of Lucifer who we all know is to impersonate Christ just before the true Christ comes. Satan knows better than most of us the signs of Christ's coming... And he knows his time is short so his plans for the world and specifically for the church are not pretty as you would imagine. This is a fascinating conversation....

Respectfully, that is speculation.

Maybe you can help me understand your point of view by telling me what scripture tells us to look for before He comes.

Just remember, the Apostles Peter and Paul thought Jesus would return quickly. Martin Luther as well. So did Charles Taze Russell, Harold Camping, Bob Larson, Hal Lindsey, etc.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I didn't misquote Jesus. He said this:
Matthew 24:36
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
"no one knows"
"no one knows"
"no one knows"
"no one knows"

MY SINCERE AND DEEPEST APOLOGIES! -- It was @vannesa2 that said "day and the time", -- NOT YOU!
I'm so embarrassed, and hope you'll forgive my confusion -- and yeah, I'm easily confused, or so my wife INSISTS! :)


DOH! :
Bobby Jo

 

[Brakelite]

Respectfully, that is speculation.

Maybe you can help me understand your point of view by telling me what scripture tells us to look for before He comes.

Just remember, the Apostles Peter and Paul thought Jesus would return quickly. Martin Luther as well. So did Charles Taze Russell, Harold Camping, Bob Larson, Hal Lindsey, etc.

For all of those people listed, Jesus did come quickly. Life is short. I am nearly 70. I cannot believe how quickly I got here.
Even Jesus said,
KJV Revelation 22:20
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

But you asked, what are we to look for?
Well, I could give you a study that would take weeks to complete in going over all the prophecies that deal with the final events leading up to the second coming of Jesus. Suffice to say that in studying Daniel and Revelation and including other texts such as Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians and a few others, nearly all Bible scholars come to similar conclusions... Jesus is coming soon. While they may differ on many of the details, I find it fascinating as you should that so many preachers (and William Miller was just one) just since the 1850s, in many different parts of the globe and without any direct contact or reference to one another, began preaching and teaching the second coming. There are biblically sound reasons for this phenomenon. They weren't all deceived, although some of them were wrong on points of detail. What they all had in common though was they were all part of a great awakening throughout the world to prophecy and to the truths of the Bible. This awakening isn't only in relation to the second coming. At the time the church was asleep. Stagnant. Materially minded and spiritually dead. The great awakening brought the church to life. And it had Divine origins. Don't criticise so quickly what you don't understand. Don't condemn so readily those you haven't honestly investigated.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Dearest @Spurgeon's Girl,
Yep, I make a LOT of MISTAKES and I again apologize for the FIRST MISTAKE I've made in the last minute and a half, but if you'll please allow, -- virtually EVERYONE DOES INSIST that because we can't know the DAY or the HOUR, that we can't know ANYTHING. And to make that LEAP, we must EXCEED what that Verse literally says, and IGNORE other Scripture:

1 Thess. 5:3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.​

And so apparently the Day and Hour is LITERAL, -- otherwise if we were in DARKNESS, that day WOULD Surprise us like a thief.


So the question is, -- if we were to surmise that Scripture PRESENTS the YEAR, and the Feasts present a MULTI-DAY window, then we CAN know the Year and up to that specific Feast WEEK?

And where I've already provided that the 19th Book of the Bible appears to be prophetic to the Jews for the 1900, Chapter for year*, -- have you evaluated the Psalms in that context?

* Ref. J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", ~1985​

Thus I would recommend starting with Psalms (Book 19) Chapter 48 = 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel. -- You won't find the 1967 Six-Day-War as explicitly defined because the Palestinians were constantly attacking Israel for about a decade, including the 1972 Munich Olympics Massacre. But you SHOULD find the Holocaust in Chapter 44; Desert Storm in Chapter 91; Obama in Chapter 109 (for his 19-109 = 2009 Inauguration); and MANY OTHER Chapter/Fulfillment instances depending on how familiar you are with Modern Jewish History!

And if/when you're satisfied there appears to be a correlation, then you might consider:

• The MIDDLE Chapter in ALL Scripture
• The SHORTEST Chapter in ALL Scripture
• The Chapter exactly 70 YEARS after the International Recognition of the State of Israel
• The Chapter precisely aligned with the U.S. Recognition of Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel
• The LONGEST Chapter in ALL Scripture

Note: The odds of these "coincidences" are 26 Billion to One
​

And thus: you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.


With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[quietthinker]

Just a quick story. When my mom was a little girl, she went to Sunday School and never missed. In 1948 her teacher told her about the Jews being returned to their homeland. The teacher's interpretation was that this generation would not pass away before Jesus came again. Since then over 70 year have passed and the word 'generation' has been sliced, diced, poked, prodded beyond any reasonable expectation.

We should be careful how we evaluate world events while we wait with great expectation for our Lord's return.

Blessings to all.

We should be careful not just what we understand but how we understand. Jesus says as much ...Luke 18:18

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

I think you may have missed an important point in " that generation " is not 70 years. some of that generation died young, some are still here. Including me. Born in 1941.
Pomp.

No, I didn't miss a thing this time (but I certainly can). The word generation has many definitions which you can prove to yourself. You are almost 80, are you saying you think Jesus will return before you pass on? You could be correct and if that happens, no one will rejoice more than I.

 

[Truman]

One day: what has been Prophesied, will come to pass. Or our Bibles are just so much fiction!
The first event will be the reset of our civilization, to a similar degree as what happened in the days of Noah. Jesus does not Return to a world just like it is now; Revelation makes that very clear.

Re; the word 'generation', as used in Matthew 24:34. Jesus is referring to the people who will be alive at the time these things happen. Namely the budding of the fig tree - the return of Jewish Israel to a small portion of the holy Land. As happened in May 1948.
I was alive then and I fully expect to see Jesus Return before I die.

My oldest brother was born in 1948 and he is still alive. The different dates happen when people tie up the loose ends of scripture so it seems all nice and neat. Or else they're trying to make a name for themselves. Shalom.

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

Dearest @Spurgeon's Girl,
Yep, I make a LOT of MISTAKES and I again apologize for the FIRST MISTAKE I've made in the last minute and a half, but if you'll please allow, -- virtually EVERYONE DOES INSIST that because we can't know the DAY or the HOUR, that we can't know ANYTHING. And to make that LEAP, we must EXCEED what that Verse literally says, and IGNORE other Scripture:

1 Thess. 5:3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.​

And so apparently the Day and Hour is LITERAL, -- otherwise if we were in DARKNESS, that day WOULD Surprise us like a thief.


So the question is, -- if we were to surmise that Scripture PRESENTS the YEAR, and the Feasts present a MULTI-DAY window, then we CAN know the Year and up to that specific Feast WEEK?

And where I've already provided that the 19th Book of the Bible appears to be prophetic to the Jews for the 1900, Chapter for year*, -- have you evaluated the Psalms in that context?

* Ref. J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", ~1985​

Thus I would recommend starting with Psalms (Book 19) Chapter 48 = 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel. -- You won't find the 1967 Six-Day-War as explicitly defined because the Palestinians were constantly attacking Israel for about a decade, including the 1972 Munich Olympics Massacre. But you SHOULD find the Holocaust in Chapter 44; Desert Storm in Chapter 91; Obama in Chapter 109 (for his 2009 Inauguration); and MANY OTHER Chapter/Fulfillment instances depending on how familiar you are with Modern Jewish History!

And if/when you're satisfied there appears to be a correlation, then you might consider:

• The MIDDLE Chapter in ALL Scripture
• The SHORTEST Chapter in ALL Scripture
• The Chapter exactly 70 YEARS after the International Recognition of the State of Israel
• The Chapter precisely aligned with the U.S. Recognition of Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel
• The LONGEST Chapter in ALL Scripture

Note: The odds of these "coincidences" are 26 Billion to One
​

And thus: you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.


With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

I read the scriptures every day. Jesus said even He doesn't know. If He doesn't know then it would be presumptuous and even arrogant of me to contradict his words.

I agree that scriptures also provides clues to when it might be upon us. I believe that just as much as I believe Jesus, I believe Paul and Peter the same.

The problem comes in by who interprets the signs. So far after 2,000 years, no one has been correct. We have pestilence, drought, floods, earthquakes and volcanoes, wars and rumors of wars. These things have happened and they continue to happen.

My Savior tells me to be about the Great Commission and that is where I want to spend my time.

God Speed.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I read the scriptures every day. Jesus said even He doesn't know. If He doesn't know then it would be presumptuous and even arrogant of me to contradict his words.

I agree that scriptures also provides clues to when it might be upon us. I believe that just as much as I believe Jesus, I believe Paul and Peter the same.

The problem comes in by who interprets the signs. ...

Thanks for your understanding, but it seems we're on two different paths. You're looking for "signs" exactly as Whisenant is his failed book "88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988". But I'm looking at Scripture to define where we are, -- not newspapers, feelings, apprehensions, or emotions.

Deut. 18:22 says we can look to History to judge whether GOD has given a Word, and I ONLY came to the Psalms through the Book of Daniel, which points to -- and VALIDATES -- both Daniel and the Psalms.


But if you don't want to Validate the Psalms, then that's your choice, -- but personally I don't believe anything I hear; 10% of what I read; and only 20% of what I see in the news! Conversely, I believe 100% of Scripture. :)


With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[pompadour]

No, I didn't miss a thing this time (but I certainly can). The word generation has many definitions which you can prove to yourself. You are almost 80, are you saying you think Jesus will return before you pass on? You could be correct and if that happens, no one will rejoice more than I.

Well read this post and maybe you will rejoice.

Post #11 - #20
End time predictions | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

Pomp.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Well read this post and maybe you will rejoice.

Post #11 - #20
End time predictions | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

Pomp.

A LOT of "interesting perspectives", but they all seem to boil down to some "personal derivation" of Scripture. -- So is there actually a MORE CLEAR provision of End Time Prophecy, or are we relegated to divining whether the man partially healed from his blindness is actually seeing MEN or TREES?

And so I'd again point to the infallible, -- the Prophetic Psalms --, to see whether ANY CHAPTER IN THAT BOOK has a more concise and complete perspective of 1948 Jewish History than Psalm 48; or 1991 Jewish History than Psalm 91; or even 2009-2016 Jewish/U.S. Relations than Psalm 109. -- And I could go on and on, but these are some OBVIOUS Chapters worth considering.


Or maybe GOD's Prophetic Word really isn't that important ... :)
Bobby Jo

 

[Brakelite]

Well read this post and maybe you will rejoice.

Post #11 - #20
End time predictions | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

Pomp.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, I didn't miss a thing this time (but I certainly can). The word generation has many definitions which you can prove to yourself. You are almost 80, are you saying you think Jesus will return before you pass on? You could be correct and if that happens, no one will rejoice more than I.

The Greek word understood by many to have the meaning of "descendant Generation" can also be understood to have the meaning of "age", i.e. a time period a little longer than 1,000 years so that during the Millennium Age, Christ described what would happen.

At the present time much of what we are seeing happening can be found in Jeremiah 50-51.

A realisation that I have recently grasped is that the Greek Word, "Seismos," which is also the Greek root, G:4578, is not describing and "earthquake" as our English Translations suggest, but rather I believe it should be understood to have the meaning of "Turmoil" instead. The word Turmoil can be associated with wars where the people are living in turmoil, such that the Seventh Bowl Judgement is talking about 1901-2000 and the wars that happened during this time period. It also describes Babylon being remembered once more in 1926, which is also recorded in history, after laying devastated and desolated for a period of two generation/ages. It also tells us that Jerusalem will be divided into three areas under the control of three national entities, which happened in 1948 by decree. The time of God gathering the Israelites to Himself is still a near future event after the Gentile Nations are judged for trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts for a period of 2,300 years.

All of the above can be read in the scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I will admit, I am just a bit annoyed.

Most people who think they know the year that judgement day happens, have nearly lived full lives, have made many friends, they have married, they have started a family, they have raised kids, they now have grandkids, have made a successful living, they have paid off a house, and are probably retired...

And if any are right and the Tribulation does happen in the next few years. In a way, it just makes me wish I grew up in a different era.

I been thinking this with my grandkids.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So then we MIGHT STILL be in the tribulation, because these things are yet to come in the near future???


Yeah, as I understand the Scriptural time-line, we ARE some 29 months into the 42 month Tribulation, with some 13 months to go. And of course because the "birth pangs" are always easy and infrequent in the eary stages, we can anticipate that they'll be more severe as we get closer to the end.


But those who are unfamiliar with the Scriptural time-line can only GUESS. :)
Bobby Jo

When did the abomination of desolation take place in the temple in Jerusalem that started this great tribulation we are supposedly in now?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What if it’s already taken place?

This can be proven without any doubt that it has not

the fact christ is not here ruling with a rod of iron and many other proofs prove this

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It hasn't because the world is not bad enough yet, the Tribulation will be worst, then what there is today.

Even the current Pandemic/Riots are a walk in the park compared to the Great Tribulation.

Add WW1 and WW2 to that, nothing in mans history even comes close, and to think tribulation will make those times look like minor afflictions

 

[farouk]

I do care what scripture says. And it records the words of Jesus.

Matthew 24:36
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

Good verse to remember...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can't go by the Bible alone for everything. Since the beginning the Church has been known as the bride of Christ. But since you all have to go by the Bible alone, even though the Bible never says to use it alone, here is an article that uses verses and explains it Bride of Christ - Wikipedia

Yeah, can’t go by the Bible alone, when the Bible does not support your views, you need men to add to the Bible to make your views stand.

the jews did this, it’s sad the church made the same mistake, only shows the power of Satan that he could take two of Gods people,and do the very same thing to them