Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

[BreadOfLife]

You pit one scripture against another (God against God), but cannot and have not reconciled every word.

In 1 John 1:5-10, John is speaking of those who are not saved (our topic in this thread). And it is John who also clarifies that those He is referring to in 1 John 1:5-10 "do not know Him", which he emphatically states in 1 John 3:6.

...So, I have reconciled each of the scriptures for you, while you have quoted scripture in the same way Satan does. Excellent.

No - I don't pit Scripture against itself. ALL Scripture harmonizes. It's YOU who cherry-picks and tries to pit Scripture against itself.
I merely showed you the context of 1 John 1 so you would understand what is being said.

Context is never the friend of a cherry-picker like you . . .

 

[Taken]

Have a nice day OK taken? Ha Your avatar is “taken” but you are not a mithraist at all right? Best of luck with the death more abundantly thing OK

I am already Taken/ set apart With the Lord God. Didn't ask your permission and don't care if you approve!

not a mithraist?

Never said I was or am.
Also don't care if you like that or not, my belief is not about you.

Mithraism, also known as the Mithraic mysteries, was a Romanmystery religion centered on the god Mithras.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

No - I don't pit Scripture against itself. ALL Scripture harmonizes. It's YOU who cherry-picks and tries to pit Scripture against itself.
I merely showed you the context of 1 John 1 so you would understand what is being said.

Context is never the friend of a cherry-picker like you . . .

@ScottA

LOL

Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

to the carnal selfish nature...burial in other words... Of which baptism is the outward ritual or demonstration of that which had already transpired in the heart/mind... Which results in the fulfillment of the promise...

Not that all that doesn’t sound good, brake light, but what does it mean?

 

[bbyrd009]

Never said I was or am.

do you think that what you say determines what you are?

 

[bbyrd009]

Which is

my italics hey i edited the previous post, which was done on a phone voice to text, and didnt print what i said :)

Do you have any reason to not take this literally?

And if is rather an interesting way to open such an impactful statement, dont you think?
Why do you think And if?
And if is a statement all by itself imo

 

[bbyrd009]

how did we become convinced that Yah cares what we "Believe?"
i tell you that a nefarious re-write was undertaken,
as it is impossible to please Yah except by faith right

but of course to most believers "faith" is a noun now, yeh?
every time you read "believe" and find pistis you are getting fooled imo

our English Bibles are full of English Lords advocating "just 'Believe'" (cap B implied, 'us' implied) imo
you can do much better yourself, surely
translating i mean

 

[Brakelite]

Imo The place is obviously a spiritual one, as clarified in the many other scriptures that I have quoted that you don’t address, plus many others. Doesn’t mean you aren’t welcome to believe in a literal future heaven so that you may possibly become an immortal someday After you have died if you like, but I suggest That a holistic view of scripture does not support the position, Even as I accept that you will not engage with the relevant verses
There is only one immortal, No one has ever gone up to heaven, you and your sons will be here with me, if you dig a pit for others you end up in it yourself, your bargain with the grave will not stand, and I could fill the page if you like. Is there any reason you are not prepared to take these literally?

Now being as how you express a desire to take scripture literally, I have some other scriptures that I suggest you are not taking literally at all, would you like to take a look at those, Because the ones up there are just the tip of the iceberg imo

We could go back and forth all day with scriptures that appear to contradict each other. Yet you comes yourself that you don't know what takes place after you due it what you shall become, at the same time disavowing all knowledge of scriptures that do reveal at least in part am answer to those questions.
Only one immortal? Absolutely. We are not naturally immortal. Only God is immortal. That does not necessarily mean that God cannot confer eternal life upon His children as a gift.

None have every gone up to heaven... At the time of speaking yeah, I can go with that. But Paul himself did. And those first fruits presented to the Father at the time of the Resurrection did. And the promises of God, although conditional, are still valid regarding eternal life... Not necessarily in heaven all that time because we have a new Earth to look forward to.

You and your son's will be here with me... Reference and context needed there please.

The other two... One I don't see the relevance, the last, not familiar with it.

 

[bbyrd009]

We could go back and forth all day with scriptures that appear to contradict each other. Yet you comes yourself that you don't know what takes place after you due it what you shall become, at the same time disavowing all knowledge of scriptures that do reveal at least in part am answer to those questions.

if one is inclined to think literally i guess, sure; but personally i find we do not yet know fairly compelling evidence against

 

[bbyrd009]

Only one immortal? Absolutely. We are not naturally immortal. Only God is immortal. That does not necessarily mean that God cannot confer eternal life upon His children as a gift.

after the definition of eternal has been changed to "forever" anyway look, i wish you the best in your quest for immortality after death, ok? May your ego live on in perpetuity, the very thing we are called to defeat eh

None have every gone up to heaven... At the time of speaking yeah, I can go with that. But Paul himself did

and all but said he was expressing a vision, pls, whether i was in or out of the body, i do not know
.

You and your son's will be here with me... Reference and context needed there please.

google can help, essentially the dead samuel (accepted) speaking to saul (rejected) through the Witch of Endor

The other two... One I don't see the relevance, the last, not familiar with it.

go with that then, fine. there is no judgement for beliefs that i know of

 

[bbyrd009]

should be pretty obvious now i guess that "saved" means whatever we want it to mean

 

[Renniks]

should be pretty obvious now i guess that "saved" means whatever we want it to mean

Only if you don't follow God's Word.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

how did we become convinced that Yah cares what we "Believe?"
i tell you that a nefarious re-write was undertaken,
as it is impossible to please Yah except by faith right

so I have question. Read before God doesn’t care what we believe. That we are not judged by our beliefs but only by faith. It is a difficult question but suicide bombers believe they are killing crowds for their faith. Their faith so great they will sacrifice their life for their faith. Does that mean God will judge them by the amount of faith and not their belief?

 

[Enoch111]

should be pretty obvious now i guess that "saved" means whatever we want it to mean

That's what you were hoping to accomplish with this thread. But it won't work.

Now instead of constantly guessing, why don't you buckle down to some serious study of the Bible, and stop your foolish diatribes.

 

[ScottA]

No - I don't pit Scripture against itself. ALL Scripture harmonizes. It's YOU who cherry-picks and tries to pit Scripture against itself.
I merely showed you the context of 1 John 1 so you would understand what is being said.

Context is never the friend of a cherry-picker like you . . .

You're kidding yourself. I put both scriptures side by side in reconciling them for all to see the truth, and all you can do is call me names. You reveal yourself and your true nature.

 

[Taken]

do you think that what you say determines what you are?

No,
what I am determines what I say.
And,
what I am is established between the Lord and myself.

 

[bbyrd009]

Only if you don't follow God's Word.

ha well, i guess there's more than one description in the Bible too?

 

[Brakelite]

after the definition of eternal has been changed to "forever" anyway look, i wish you the best in your quest for immortality after death, ok? May your ego live on in perpetuity, the very thing we are called to defeat eh

Right... So we...His children!... Are resurrected too die again. Never again to exist... Okay... Sounds logical.

google can help, essentially the dead samuel (accepted) speaking to saul (rejected) through the Witch of Endor

Uh huh... So . Ummm, who was it actually that came up? After God had refused to talk to Saul, neither by prophet or priest, dream or vision, He actually allows some witch to raise Samuel? You really believe that men have the power to raise the dead that they may talk with us? Sorry bro, but your understanding of theology is leading you into very strange fields when you start to believe in spiritualism as a basis for your doctrines. That wasn't Samuel. And Saul and his sons were not destined to spend their future with demons.

 

[bbyrd009]

so I have question. Read before God doesn’t care what we believe. That we are not judged by our beliefs but only by faith. It is a difficult question but suicide bombers believe they are killing crowds for their faith. Their faith so great they will sacrifice their life for their faith. Does that mean God will judge them by the amount of faith and not their belief?

i would say that Yah will not judge them at all, just like the Bible says?
But i would also say "sacrifice their life for their faith" is an oxymoron, or obv "faith" as a noun at the very least, yes?
another reply would be that, being as how this is an inferred Muslim here, this is an ignorant, however well-intentioned he might be, who has an evil imam that certainly knows better, and has read the Opening of Sur'ahs (which forbids using Islam to justify violence in any form, page 1 literally) and just doesnt care, much like our preachers and pastors, which sounds harsh, but again intentions imo?

 

[bbyrd009]

That's what you were hoping to accomplish with this thread. But it won't work.

Now instead of constantly guessing, why don't you buckle down to some serious study of the Bible, and stop your foolish diatribes.

we're tired of this manna! give us some meat to eat!

"foolish" ...ty, i guess.
and, working up, i wasnt aware i had a goal here even, you might be right