Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

[Taken]

I came that you might have life, more abundantly

Offering, by God.
Potiential, for mankind to receive

the dead know nothing

Correct-
Physically DEAD men, have a Dead Mind, incapable of knowledge and thought.

There is only One Immortal

Correct-
Only ONE Body has been Raised in Glory-
Immortality. JESUS' BODY

No one
has ever
gone "up to heaven"

Correction-
John 3:
[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man (JESUS) which is in heaven.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...

The formed man, is still a Form, still a man, and that form IS a Body.
The Body came from the dust, (NOT Heaven), and returns to the dust ( NOT Heaven).

The LIFE in the Form came from God, Shall GO the WHERE God sends it, When the Formed Body dies.
It May go immediately to God, to await Judgement.
It May go immediately to Hell, to await Judgement.

 

[Taken]

so, a joke book, like the upcoming or already published dunno "Hebrew" NT

If you believe the Scriptures transliterated from English to Chinese is a "Joke Book", who cares? I don't, and I doubt doubt Chinese eager to read the Scriptures in their own language much care what you believe either.

 

[Taken]

"everybody's here with me;
got no camera to see..."

as i said Taken imo you have a better shot than me; i thank Yah that i am like the rest of men, i hope. I am not a very nice person

Agree.

 

[Taken]

well, a reply at least, yeh, so, i replied to the reply, if you wanna reply then

Perhaps you would be considerate and post the # of your reply to Philip James for me to consider commenting to your reply to him.

 

[bbyrd009]

Haha, touche ;)

I think though, that our miscommunication is over the use of the words 'literaly' and 'figuritively'.

So please allow me to use a differnr word.

We truly died that day thus proving the enemy a liar.

We were indeed truly the walking dead, as Jesus points out when He says 'let the dead bury the dead'

Peace!

well pj im not inclined to argue here as i agree with the concept, but nonetheless that is really all it is imo. Or another way to say that is that from a human pov, theirs, they did not literally die at all, even though i will use the perspective against you next time you start telling me how "literally" you read Scripture prolly? :)

 

[bbyrd009]

antiKJVOnlyism

guess it wont matter how many times i say it, but i am not antiKJVonly at all, ok? I just dont get the position. Doesnt mean it doesnt have value, even to me. And the last thing i would do is try to "convert" someone away from KJV only

now on the flip side ive never known a KJV only who was not mithraist/zionist, but that doesnt mean they dont exist i guess, did know one who used the naive dialectic though, Pentecostal no less, og pent tho

so is our conversation in this thread. bye bro

ah, not sure we ever had a conversation, sorry our interpreter never showed up i guess
and best of luck with the Death More Abundantly thing ok, i am not being facetious, still much i miss about being in the camp

 

[bbyrd009]

The apostle Paul defined the hope of Christians, and the OT saints, could only be realised after the Resurrection. The physical one.

ah, ok. Been to several of those at this point, i take it? Lotta friends doing it or something?

You are correct that we are very limited as to what the after life consists. But there are text texts that reveal where, and who with.

i doubt im very correct about squat tbh, except that your SDA "version" of Christianity seems to be exactly like every other version, except for some minor window-dressing; or at least i mean "Death, More Abundantly" still seems to be firmly in place?

so wadr what i said to Taken earlier; it at least seems to me that believers disagree on all of the relevant stuff, and agree on the irrelevant, the DMA, although i def dont mean to imply that i am the arbiter or anything.

But near as i can hear you, the Pentecostal, the Baptist, the Catholic and you wadr are all saying the exact same thing, only debating whether to make the parking lot stripes yellow or white?

what happened to bl1 anyway?

 

[bbyrd009]

But there are text texts that reveal where, and who with

i agree, and imo there is no reason to not take them literally, at least that i can see?

you and your sons will be here with me
return to Me and I will return to you
I came that you might have life, more abundantly
no one has ever gone up to heaven
there is only one immortal
all go to the same place
no one knows where they go when they die
we do not yet know what we will become

 

[bbyrd009]

Offering, by God.
Potiential, for mankind to receive



Correct-
Physically DEAD men, have a Dead Mind, incapable of knowledge and thought.



Correct-
Only ONE Body has been Raised in Glory-
Immortality. JESUS' BODY



Correction-
John 3:
[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man (JESUS) which is in heaven.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...

The formed man, is still a Form, still a man, and that form IS a Body.
The Body came from the dust, (NOT Heaven), and returns to the dust ( NOT Heaven).

The LIFE in the Form came from God, Shall GO the WHERE God sends it, When the Formed Body dies.
It May go immediately to God, to await Judgement.
It May go immediately to Hell, to await Judgement.

so, i hope you have some food for thought here, and imo have no fear, ok?
when you have eaten the manna, and embraced the naive dialectic, maybe we can talk again?
and best of luck to you with the death more abundantly deal too

 

[bbyrd009]

If you believe the Scriptures transliterated from English to Chinese is a "Joke Book", who cares? I don't, and I doubt doubt Chinese eager to read the Scriptures in their own language much care what you believe either.

the point is that works are not translated that way, as any linguist will tell you.
or you might go to google translate and see why for yourself in a bout five minutes
or you might ignore this post like you have everything else, which is your right
its entirely up to you, and i wont judge you whatever decision you make, ok,

but yes, xlating from one language to a second language and then to a third language via the second language is def a joke, makes some quite funny mis-entendres imo, and fwiw i think we even have a v or vv about not going to the East

Perhaps you would be considerate and post the # of your reply to Philip James for me to consider commenting to your reply to him.

so you havent found the backtrack button yet either? kinda splains why you keep breaking the software wadr. Taken no offense but you seek immortality after death, like many who claim Christianity, and the very last thing i want to do is encourage another one of your cock-sure, absolutely clueless observations on your own navel, using my post as fodder. Why dont you go play with the other dunning-kruegers in here, who "believe" like you do, and who cant hear...anything, either? I mean i know this sounds harsh, but you dont agree with a thing i am saying anyway, right? And when that happens you are just going to get crappy and start accusing and posting from fear like always?

I mean kudos for attempting a reply to some passages though, and may your beliefs serve you well ok, best of luck, honest

 

[Taken]

so, i hope you have some food for thought here, and imo have no fear, ok?
when you have eaten the manna, and embraced the naive dialectic, maybe we can talk again?
and best of luck to you with the death more abundantly deal too

I never expressed to have fear, nor do I.

I have no problem with a Language Barrier in communicating with my Lord. He is superior in communicating in any mans native tongue.

Manna from Heaven (Literal bread for men to consume) to sustain their physical Bodily life, was temporary)

I consume bread too, from the grains of the fields, it temporarily sustains my physical body too...

But I also have another Bread from Heaven, that is Permanent, that I reside IN, until my Body, has been Raised UP from its mortal state.

No need to wish me LUCK...
The Truth, is my Body has already Fulfilled the Requirement of Death...and has Already been washed in Jesus Blood, Sanctified (set apart), with the Lord, Covered with His Light, (You KNOW the Brilliant Light of FIRE, that purifies SOME and destroys others?)

No luck needed. It's already accomplished...by Gods POWER, (not luck).
I simply wait TO SEE it...with Immortal EYES, not yet revealed unto me.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

the point is that works are not translated that way, as any linguist will tell you.
or you might go to google translate and see why for yourself in a bout five minutes
or you might ignore this post like you have everything else, which is your right
its entirely up to you, and i wont judge you whatever decision you make, ok,

but yes, xlating from one language to a second language and then to a third language via the second language is def a joke, makes some quite funny mis-entendres imo, and fwiw i think we even have a v or vv about not going to the East

so you havent found the backtrack button yet either? kinda splains why you keep breaking the software wadr. Taken no offense but you seek immortality after death, like many who claim Christianity, and the very last thing i want to do is encourage another one of your cock-sure, absolutely clueless observations on your own navel, using my post as fodder. Why dont you go play with the other dunning-kruegers in here, who "believe" like you do, and who cant hear...anything, either? I mean i know this sounds harsh, but you dont agree with a thing i am saying anyway, right? And when that happens you are just going to get crappy and start accusing and posting from fear like always?

I mean kudos for attempting a reply to some passages though, and may your beliefs serve you well ok, best of luck, honest

I am confidant the translated or transliteration texts of Jesus' teachings into Any language gives the reader the "KNOWLEDGE, necessary" for the Individual Reader to be apprised of Gods Word of The WAY (how) "any man can become"...
Forgiven, saved, born Again, and Forever Alive With the Lord God Almighty...
As well as the Way Any man, "can continue" to be Without the Lord God Almighty Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Brakelite]

i agree, and imo there is no reason to not take them literally, at least that i can see?

you and your sons will be here with me
return to Me and I will return to you
I came that you might have life, more abundantly
no one has ever gone up to heaven
there is only one immortal
all go to the same place
no one knows where they go when they die
we do not yet know what we will become

You've quoted this before I think... Or at least maybe a part of it...
KJV John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Do you have any reason to not take this literally?

 

[Renniks]

And yet you and most other Christians believe that lie... That we don't "surely die". You believe we are whisked of into some eternal abode, one with smiley faces the other with frowns, the moment you stop breathing... You believe your spirit, or soul, whatever, is naturally immortal and never dies right? It just ends up at a different address. But you claim when Satan stated you shall not die, that was a lie? But you agree with him!!!!

I still haven't gotten an answer to this question: If you don't believe in heaven, what do you think happens to us after we physically die?

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh you’ve gotten a perfectly acceptable answer, directly from scripture, you just didn’t like it I guess

I never expressed to have fear, nor do I.

OK fine whatever and I’m not meaning to be rude here OK, it’s just that you have more than once deliberately miss represented, and when that was shown to be unfounded did not re-can’t, but instead resorted to attacks and name calling, So I hope you understand why I am not too inclined to encourage your participation here OK? I wish you the best of luck in your quest for immortality, And I hope you have a nice day

 

[bbyrd009]

Manna from Heaven (Literal bread for men to consume) to sustain their physical Bodily life, was temporary)

You can’t fix stupid, nor dunning-Krueger, I guess. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and we even have scripture that directly contradicts what you just said. Goodbye

 

[Taken]

OK fine whatever and I’m not meaning to be rude here OK, it’s just that you have more than once deliberately miss represented,

Misrepresented What exactly.?

and when that was shown to be unfounded did not re-can’t,

but instead resorted to attacks and name calling,

.

Look...I STATE and the Representative of MY beliefs, not you!

You can disagree with me all day long and I can do th same...no harm, no foul.

But you stepped over the line, deciding my belief, dictating my belief, pronouncing Judgement against me...failing to acknowledge Your words were According TO Your Thoughts...
And went further to Lie and say, what you were saying WAS according to me...

I neither SAID or implied such things...so I elected to spit your crap back to you.

You don't like it...don't start it.

 

[Taken]

You can’t fix stupid, nor dunning-Krueger, I guess. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and we even have scripture that directly contradicts what you just said. Goodbye

So? All scripture is True...it just does not All Apply to All persons.

Post "your contradictory" Scripture, give evidence how it applies to me...!!

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you have any reason to not take this literally?

Imo The place is obviously a spiritual one, as clarified in the many other scriptures that I have quoted that you don’t address, plus many others. Doesn’t mean you aren’t welcome to believe in a literal future heaven so that you may possibly become an immortal someday After you have died if you like, but I suggest That a holistic view of scripture does not support the position, Even as I accept that you will not engage with the relevant verses
There is only one immortal, No one has ever gone up to heaven, you and your sons will be here with me, if you dig a pit for others you end up in it yourself, your bargain with the grave will not stand, and I could fill the page if you like. Is there any reason you are not prepared to take these literally?

Now being as how you express a desire to take scripture literally, I have some other scriptures that I suggest you are not taking literally at all, would you like to take a look at those, Because the ones up there are just the tip of the iceberg imo

 

[bbyrd009]

All scripture is True...it just does not All Apply to All persons.

Have a nice day OK taken? Ha Your avatar is “taken” but you are not a mithraist at all right? Best of luck with the death more abundantly thing OK