Do we even have the correct definition of "saved?"

[Taken]

meh, so then dont give to an organization, who said anything about organizations lol, and "churches" (and any other inCorporations for that matter) lol pls dont get me started again ok. Give your money to whoever you want to, and seek tax deductions if that seems right to you

yes, ty, only it doesnt actually work that way i guess, you are automatically "credited" with a certain amount of deductions, unless you choose to itemize, so wadr the credit is really forced upon you i guess

and since we're on the subject, first time home buyers are not "helped" with down payments for nothing lol, and certainly not for like altruistic reasons
ill give you $10 if you give me $1000, any day of the week

Agree Give as you please or not..
Deductif you please or not.

The POINT was profit or non-profit, organization or not...it is up to the Giver to Give and TO deduct or not.

 

[bbyrd009]

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 ( from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

which i accidentally erased some in there, trackback for full quote

we treated this several weeks ago, and i wont do it again here but i will say that Paul is speaking in code imo, and this "confidence" that we of course automatically assume is a good thing is prolly not, and "cock-sureness" is more likely what Paul was trying to express,

"We are cock-sure, I say, and even wish we were already dead and partying with Jesus..."
("cock sure" by me can be site searched for more)


which of course we never quote the payoff line--bc we imagine that that is it right narf--
2 Corinthians 5:9 Lexicon: Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him.
{wherein i am just noticing the use of "at home" which is quite sublime, in the
here we have no lasting home (city)
the son of man has no place to lay His head
vein}

 

[bbyrd009]

we "hear Paul to our destruction,"
2 Peter 3:16 Lexicon: as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[bbyrd009]

Anyway, just because Jesus is asking a question, it doesn't mean He doesn't know what they were thinking, but that was just Him asking a question to engage them in a conversation to think and mayhap to learn something about Him too, in being God.

ok, ty, i dont disagree, but this is apropos of what, again? Did i infer that Jesus did not know something in there?

 

[bbyrd009]

And Every Person IS

lol

the naive dialectic, the manna, Taken, will you ever eat it
i mean dont if you dont want to ok, not bothering me any

an Individual.

so you say anyway, but i might invoke any number of scenarios in which ppl, particularly "believers," become um "caught up" in a like a clone-thing, i would even say a "homospiritual" thing, a shadow of unity iow, "When We All Get to Heaven" and etc, perhaps

 

[bbyrd009]

 

[bbyrd009]

True

narf

However Gods Word of Truth is not the Source or Belief of All people.

 

[bbyrd009]

the Bible is surely not Yah's Word, and It also is not the Book of Truth, which apparently does exist. Well i dunno about "exist" strictly speaking, but mentioned in Isaiah or one of the major prophets anyway

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm drastically reducing my participation here for a time, and over the last couple of weeks, only reading through the odd thread, so far without comment. Until now. 7 pages of discussion on salvation and unless I missed it, not one person quoted the text that tells us what it is we are actually saved from...
KJV Matthew 1
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The irony is that if someone dare suggest that such a thing is even possible, let alone accomplished... Well, that angel appears as a liar, and "salvation" becomes something akin to being saved from the punishment of sin without the freedom from it. A total contradiction.

word
as Paul said--just recently Quoted--a diff way, no one is apparently even a little bit interested in life, more abundantly. We are cock-sure, i tell you, and even would rather be already dead and partying with Jesus

which i cant lie, i feel the ezack same way lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Being God, He can say that while He has ascended bodily above.

well wadr imo you are commenting upon the obvious and ignoring the important part there, but regardless you will see Him come down the same way they saw Him go up yeh?

 

[bbyrd009]

As for unapproachable light, they were walking with Him in the garden before the fall.

i beg to differ, imo Yah had left His dwelling place and was walking to them, in theirs
"I am looking for you, right here where sin exists"
Where are you?

So when the corruptible inherit the incorruptible, that is when we will be able to approach the unapproachable light in our resurrected state rather than just by our spirits.

ah, so that is when that v will no longer be true then? wadr i dont think so, ok

btw lotta good observations in that post, i do not completely disagree with many of your points ok
just subjecting the whole to a little fire lol

bc you still think Mercury or Apollos or whomever is coming to take you away, away
right
maybe tomorrow even, maybe the day after,
but always in the future, yeh, never today see

 

[bbyrd009]

All I beware of is you haven't addressed 2 Peter 3 rd chapter to prove you are even interested in seeing the truth in His words.

which you have already received and understood, yeh?
ok, ty

 

[Enow]

the Bible is surely not Yah's Word, and It also is not the Book of Truth, which apparently does exist. Well i dunno about "exist" strictly speaking, but mentioned in Isaiah or one of the major prophets anyway

Then why ask questions about the Bible?

 

[bbyrd009]

fwiw if i fully addressed that passage you would not be very happy i guess lol

 

[Enow]

fwiw if i fully addressed that passage you would not be very happy i guess lol

Seeing how you do not believe the Bible is God's words, I can see why you wouldn't even bother. Not sure why we are discussing this with you when it is a moot point to you no matter what we say, right?

 

[bbyrd009]

So prove me wrong and give me a summary of 2 Peter 3rd chapter for how you read it to mean if it isn't as I gleaned it. Read it in Greek and then in Hebrew and even in Klingon if you want to have fun that way, but share your summary of what you believe Peter is talking to you & me about.

for this wadr you would have to get the naive dialectic, eat the manna i guess is how Scripture says it, and i would have to learn how to speak it lol, which i am not very good at yet. I mean i could try, but you are...not hearing yet, no offense, so...i guess for you at least, right now anyway, i am not the one, as much as i am tempted.

I guess the v i already Quoted at you from that passage will have to serve there, if you would address that maybe

 

[bbyrd009]

If you want it in Hebrew or even Klingon for fun, I don't know where

? klingon? you got jokes?
lol, put down jokes im getting herenow, ok

 

[bbyrd009]

we're tired of this manna, give us some meat to eat!

 

[bbyrd009]

Agree Give as you please or not..
Deductif you please or not.

The POINT was profit or non-profit, organization or not...it is up to the Giver to Give and TO deduct or not.

no, it is not, mos def. you have no choice, at least in all giving below...15% of your gross, which who gives more than that?

Ergo "deduct if you please, or not" is functionally untrue, and cannot be done

you have been givien "credit" for a certain amount of donations, whether you give them or not, whether you give them to a "tax deductible charity" or not, which ppl still blindly do anyway, assuming they are more wholesome or whatever, who knows, more authorized i guess.

But see Susan Komen wont tell women that vit D deficiency is a better marker for breast cancer than a mammogram, no, they still say "get a mammogram" yeh, which prolly causes any breast cancers even

 

[bbyrd009]

Then why ask questions about the Bible?

i dont recall doing that per se, but i love Scripture, personally, and imo Word might certainly be derived from It; assuming it is heard anyway. All writings are beneficial... right, and imo the Bible is far and away the best, and most sublime