Difficulty Reconciling
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As I said, "To the contrary..." : 1 Jn 3:23,24 continues iterating the doctrine Christ taught in John's Gospel when it says we will abide in Him if we keep the Command to believe in the Name of His Son and love one another (thus it's New Covenant doctrine, not Old Covenant, and not to Israel).
That said, because of my experiences, I am open to the idea that one could express the correct words, but not be defining them appropriately--ie, it may be that not enough emphasis is placed on "believe in the Name of God's Son" and too much is placed on "and love one another", such that the faith in the Name of God's Son is obscured/negated/denied.
You can SAY "we should believe in the Name of God's Son and love one another", and be correct, at least on paper, without ACTUALLY continuing in believing in the Name of God's Son, bc of (internally) overemphasizing "love one another". It's kind of troubling.
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In other words, strictly speaking, since the topic is how to resolve these things John teaches, I wouldn't say James is "responding" to these things, and, so, since I'm really just asking how you all resolved these things (IF you have), I wouldn't necessarily accept the idea that "James responds to these things and i will quote James" as a response (beside the fact that it doesn’t actually solve the issue).
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Lambano
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What ever it is, it is seemingly both somehow completely separate from, yet, also, somehow completely inseparable from, loving one another.
Lambano
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That's one I had time to think about when everything started to break down.
Lambano
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I guess there're examples of it in John's Gospel : you have the words of eternal life; come see a man Who told me all things I have done; I believe, and he worshipped Him; what is truth?
It's good that you asked that.
Bc my love for others and God was rejected in past times, I am confused.
I'm asking you all how you reconciled these things lol
Lambano
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I must've missed class that day. Why do you say your love for God and others was rejected?
I was praying. God said I was trying to save myself with my service and devotion to Him and others (fasting praying following God's leading), and I was trying to pay for my sins.
So maybe it has to have to do with Jesus paying for my sins, so I don't have to pay for my sins (not that I even realized that that was my intention while I was working), but maybe that means the work is still done, but not to pay for sin (as if God were holding something against me) but because my sin was paid for/I was loved? This would agree with the other thing He said : He wants me to serve out of love not fear. The tenor of the work is different. The motivation and intention.
That's fine on paper, but to live it is another thing--let's not pretend they're the same.
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But if the motive and intent is different than what had thought, why would Paul say "Lest I myself be a castaway"?
Maybe he means he battles his flesh bc it wants to disbelieve the Gospel, but walking after the flesh (ie, in unbelief) RESULTS in the sins (that exclude one from God's Kingdom) listed in 1 Co 10, bc "walk after the spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh"?
But he also said "if by some means I might attain to the resurrection"... so his intent was that... I don't get it... unless he knew faith saved him from the flesh, and walking after the spirit meant he'd attain?
BarneyFife
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Hi, GP!
It's a good thing you're not the Author and Finisher of your faith, isn't it?
Lambano
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Is this motivation better? And getting back to your original post, is this part about what believing/trusting in Jesus is all about?
I really, really, really don't want to stray, but try and stick to John's Gospel, and the particulars I raised (from it), in this threadHi, GP!
It's a good thing you're not the Author and Finisher of your faith, isn't it?
BarneyFife
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Is this reason better? And getting back to your original post, is this part about what believing/trusting in Jesus is all about?
That's exactly what Paul is talking about in Philippians 3!
Lambano
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BarneyFife
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Fair enough—I was just reflecting on what you quoted from Philippians 3 and 1 Corinthians 7.
Sorry
:)
"We have come to know and believe in the love He has for us"... encapsulated and expressed in His giving of His Son "that we may live through Him"... so, perhaps partaking of that love is a necessary step before we move to the next step of loving others "as He loved us".Is this reason better? And getting back to your original post, is this part about what believing/trusting in Jesus is all about?
