John 1:1 comes down to translation. John said that Jesus was the Word. He also said he was With God.
If John meant to say that Jesus WAS God himself...why would he say he was WITH God?
This text clearly shows that John was speaking of 2 individuals.
GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, you ERROR on "
WITH", concering God. it's not 2 separate individuals. but one of "ANOTHER" of one's own self. meaning God is a "diversity" of his own felf in flesh. ONE in the SAME person. let us clearly explain our position on "WITH". this is clearly seen in the OT. Scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning?
I the LORD,
the first, and
with the last;
I am he."
here brionne, the Lord said that he is the "I" or "he" which is a single person designation, (only one person). but this one PERSON said that he is the "First" and
WITH the "Last", not two individuals, but numerically two of the same one person. read the verse again. notice the "WITH" is between the "First" and the "Last", see it now. but it's only one person. just as the Word and God is the same ONE person in John 1:1.
but lets see it even more clearly, listen. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;
I am he;
I am the first,
I also am the last." see it now. "I" am the "First" and he, the "I" am a single person is "
ALSO" the "Last", who is "I" am. notice ALSO means in addition to which indicate "ANOTHER", but this "ANOTHER" is the same one PERSON... "I" ... the "I AM" he, is a single person designation. this clearly shows that God is the ordinal "FIRST" of his ownself, and he is also the ordinal "LAST", of his ownself. the same ONE person diversified, or shared in flesh. in Greek, he's the Alpha and the Omega, which correspond to the Hebrew Aleph and the Tav, and the same as the beginning/FIRST and the end/LAST. all these title point to God's diversity as the "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh. and the Greek word G243 allos clearly point this out just as clearly as the OT Hebrew word H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj. listen to the two definitions,
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
my source for this definition, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
the NT Greek word that is equivalent, G243 ἄλλος allos (al'-los)
Allos expresses
a numerical difference and denotes another of
the same sort
my source for this definition is Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
a
numerical difference is another of oneself in a different "FORM" as Philippians 2:6 or the OT scripture Isaiah 63:5. or as clear as day in John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you
another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" (Bright as day).
so the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE is (*not in persons), but in numbers. the "First" and "
WITH" "Last",i t's the same one Person, numerically two.
see it now?
Jesus who is God, is the ordinal "First" as Father, title LORD, (Spirit), all caps. and Jesus, the Share, (spirit), or the "Another" of himself in flesh is ordinal "Last", as a man, title "Lord"
so in John 1:1 the "
WITH" indicate the same person "diversified" or shared as the another of one's ownself. which again is clearly seen in the OT scripture Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against
the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones." (BINGO, clear as day).
my research can be duplicated, for I have given scripture, and definition to back up what we have said. if you have any questions, please asked.
PICJAG.
