Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

Tired of admitting all the bible you don't believe? Too bad I was hoping you would admit your 'belief' about God creating the world. If you had admitted that before running, the last question would have been about Sodom.
Toodaloo

Happy hallucinating.

 

[dad]

Happy hallucinating.

Watch out, all that waving away basic bible might make your wrists limp

 

[covenantee]

Watch out, all that waving away basic bible might make your wrists limp

Nothing but questions.

You've been claiming to have all the answers.

So let's see 'em.

 

[dad]

Nothing but questions.

You've been claiming to have all the answers.

So let's see 'em.

Your answer is given by avoidance. Pretending that the bible does not tell us there will be, for example the Great Tribulation is cheap deception.

Jesus Himself told us. It will be unlike thousands of years ago or any other time past or future. We do not get the option of believing it. The other option is rejecting His words.

Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[covenantee]

Your answer is given by avoidance. Pretending that the bible does not tell us there will be, for example the Great Tribulation is cheap deception.

Jesus Himself told us. It will be unlike thousands of years ago or any other time past or future. We do not get the option of believing it. The other option is rejecting His words.

Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

When is "then"?

 

[dad]

When is "then"?

When the abomination spoken of by Daniel is set up. The time from which we can know there is only 3 1/2 years left.

 

[covenantee]

When the abomination spoken of by Daniel is set up. The time from which we can know there is only 3 1/2 years left.

"you have no support for it".

Those are your words, so they must be true.

 

[dad]

"you have no support for it".

Those are your words, so they must be true.

There is no possible support for directly anti bible claims. Especially from someone with a track record of avoiding honest answers. For example you did not give a clear and simple answer to whether you believe in a real 6 day creation of the earth and heavens by God, including woman taken from man on the sixth day. Why is that? Why did I ask? Because people with a demonstrated record of unbelief in bible basics tend to share certain things in common. For example if they do not believe in creation in a real way as the bible says, they tend to try and justify Sodom, and minimize the homosexual element. One 'tell' is when people disbelieve the Rapture, and Tribulation, and prophesy basics. There is no end to how much of Scripture they will wave away and not really believe in any real or meaningful way.

 

[covenantee]

There is no possible support for directly anti bible claims. Especially from someone with a track record of avoiding honest answers. For example you did not give a clear and simple answer to whether you believe in a real 6 day creation of the earth and heavens by God, including woman taken from man on the sixth day. Why is that? Why did I ask? Because people with a demonstrated record of unbelief in bible basics tend to share certain things in common. For example if they do not believe in creation in a real way as the bible says, they tend to try and justify Sodom, and minimize the homosexual element. One 'tell' is when people disbelieve the Rapture, and Tribulation, and prophesy basics. There is no end to how much of Scripture they will wave away and not really believe in any real or meaningful way.

Don't ask me any questions. I don't have any answers. You have all of the answers.

And "you have no support for it".

Those are your words, so they must be true.

 

[The Light]

Yes he did and it was the exact opposite to what the crowd thought. Instead of taking his place as King he went to the cross to atone for the sins of the whole world.

Exactly. Messiah arrives on a donkey just as prophesied

Zechariah 9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Then, just as you say, Messiah the King is rejected. Your quote, "Instead of taking his place as King he went to the cross to atone for the sins of the whole world."

Psalm 118
22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

So, Jesus arrives as Messiah, their king, on a lowly donkey at 69 weeks. After the three score and two weeks, He is cut off. All these things are just a prophesied. It is the Gentiles that will receive the Messiah, as Israel served other Gods. It is the Gentiles that will be the first harvest of the fig tree. Israel be the second harvest, just as prophesied.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

Lol.
Messiah has to arrive first before he is cut off.

He did. He arrived as Messiah, riding a lowly donkey, just as prophesied, at the end of the 69th week.

You really need to digest v25 as to when he arrives ..., in order to rightly understand v26. Common sense should prevail Bro'

Common sense has prevailed. He arrives as Messiah riding a donkey as prophesied. He is rejected as prophesied. He is the cut off a few days later after the 69 weeks, just as prophesied.

 

[Timtofly]

Common sense has prevailed. He arrives as Messiah riding a donkey as prophesied. He is rejected as prophesied. He is the cut off a few days later after the 69 weeks, just as prophesied.

You are missing the point Jesus spent 3.5 years as Messiah teaching and preparing His disciples for the Cross, and they still did not get it, until the Holy Spirit was sent.

That is why many miss out the point Jesus will be here in person for days and weeks as King, before the Millennium can even start. Jesus did not descend from heaven on Palm Sunday to ride into Jerusalem and then the Cross happened 3 days later.

Jesus is not going to just come at Armageddon and the next day is the Millennium. Jesus will be physically on earth as in the first century, except this time with all the angels from the firmament (the stars) and 144k disciples. The final harvest will take place during the Trumpets and Thunders and that time keeps getting shorter each day the Second Coming has not happened.

There will not be 7 years of the final harvest, nor even 3.5 years, but this final harvest is still the end of Daniel's 70th week. The 7th Trumpet declares the final end to the 70 weeks. The 7th Trumpet starts sounding before Satan's 42 months. If they do happen, the 7th Trumpet will stop when Armageddon is declared over. Then the Millennium will start.

 

[dad]

Don't ask me any questions. I don't have any answers. You have all of the answers.

And "you have no support for it".

Those are your words, so they must be true.

Avoiding being simple and honest has destroyed any chance of discussion. I think the point was made thorough it al though, that the root of the problem is unbelief. The examples I cited such as belief in creation and the garden and return of Jesus to rule, and the period right after, and the Great Tribulation right before that have been all cast aside and waved away by professing believers.

That'll do er, thanks

 

[dad]

Jesus is not going to just come at Armageddon and the next day is the Millennium. Jesus will be physically on earth as in the first century, except this time with all the angels from the firmament (the stars) and 144k disciples. The final harvest will take place during the Trumpets and Thunders and that time keeps getting shorter each day the Second Coming has not happened.

There will not be 7 years of the final harvest, nor even 3.5 years, but this final harvest is still the end of Daniel's 70th week. The 7th Trumpet declares the final end to the 70 weeks. The 7th Trumpet starts sounding before Satan's 42 months. If they do happen, the 7th Trumpet will stop when Armageddon is declared over. Then the Millennium will start.

Jesus destroys them all with the breath of His lips. It won't take long. The trumpets and bowls are before He returns.

 

[covenantee]

Avoiding being simple and honest has destroyed any chance of discussion. I think the point was made thorough it al though, that the root of the problem is unbelief. The examples I cited such as belief in creation and the garden and return of Jesus to rule, and the period right after, and the Great Tribulation right before that have been all cast aside and waved away by professing believers.

That'll do er, thanks

You mean you're not going to give us any more of your answers?

You're the only one with the right answers.

We need your answers so we know what to believe.

My oh my.

Whatever are we going to do?

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus destroys them all with the breath of His lips. It won't take long. The trumpets and bowls are before He returns.

Still missing the point. Jesus will be on earth from the 6th Seal onward. Just like Jesus was born some 30 years before He was baptized.

The Second Coming is Jesus as King baptizing the earth with fire, just as John the Baptist declared, as well as Peter.

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

The last 1992 years has been the NT church via the Holy Spirit. The Second Coming will be the fire cleansing this earth of Adam's miserable works.

There is no fire mentioned in Revelation 19. The fire comes at the 6th Seal.

 

[jeffweeder]

He did. He arrived as Messiah, riding a lowly donkey, just as prophesied, at the end of the 69th week.


Common sense has prevailed. He arrives as Messiah riding a donkey as prophesied. He is rejected as prophesied. He is the cut off a few days later after the 69 weeks, just as prophesied.

You continue to ignore v25, and John the Baptist's testimony as to when He as his forerunner declared to Israel the Messiahs arrival.
You have Messiah being cut off before he accomplishes atonement in the 70th week.

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

Jesus accomplished this work that the Father gave him to do.

Jn 17
4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.

Nothing more I can say to you.

 

[dad]

You mean you're not going to give us any more of your answers?

You're the only one with the right answers.

We need your answers so we know what to believe.

My oh my.

Whatever are we going to do?

Thanks for the demo

 

[covenantee]

Thanks for the demo

"you have no support for it".

Those are your words, so they must be true.

 

[dad]

Still missing the point. Jesus will be on earth from the 6th Seal onward. Just like Jesus was born some 30 years before He was baptized.

The Second Coming is Jesus as King baptizing the earth with fire, just as John the Baptist declared, as well as Peter.

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

The last 1992 years has been the NT church via the Holy Spirit. The Second Coming will be the fire cleansing this earth of Adam's miserable works.

There is no fire mentioned in Revelation 19. The fire comes at the 6th Seal.

In some places fire is associated with Jesus coming and destroying the wicked.

Isaiah 30:27

Behold, the name of the Lord cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

 

[dad]

"you have no support for it".

Those are your words, so they must be true.

I have answers to all the issues I raised as examples for you. Yet you slithered away and would not honestly reveal your position.

Let's go over some of them and see

Great Tribulation -This one I think you clearly admitted not believing it and saying it happened already, correct?. I do believe the Great Tribulation will come.

Millennium - I think you also waved this off as unreal. I believe in a real 1000 year rule of Jesus when He returns.

AntiChrist - You avoided directly answering and at least twice offered a verse about how there will be many antichrists in history. As if that means there is no man of sin. I believe in the final wicked ruled the bible identifies as the beast/antichrist.

Creation - You have yet to admit you do not believe that at all. We wait for your honest answer. I believe God did create the heavens and earth and all life including man in 6 days. I also believe woman was made taking a bone from the created man.

Sodom - You never even mentioned that one or got so far as to avoid it like the plague! I believe there were real cities deeply involved in sin, where their signature trait was homosexuality, and that God destroyed them to stop the spread of extreme wickedness at the time.

So do not pretend I do not answer honestly. Once again on all these things and other key issues in the bible, the problem with nominal church christians who wave these things away is that they do not believe. In many cases they are proud about it as well.