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What doesn't make sense?
In Christ's ministry, He confirmed His Everlasting Covenant through the Gospel in person with the many Israelites who accepted Him for 3 1/2 years until His death, then His disciples confirmed it in their ministries to the Israelites for the remaining 3 1/2 years, which in total comprised the 70th week.
Thereafter, the Gentiles were included as well, and the Gospel was proclaimed to both Israelites and Gentiles until the destruction of Israel in 70 AD.
The Everlasting Covenant has been proclaimed and will be proclaimed through the Gospel to the many who have received and will receive it (Matthew 26:28) until Christ returns.
This was the united understanding of the entire historic orthodox Christian Church for 17 centuries.
dad
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You are mixing apples and oranges, trying to glue together unrelated texts to support your personal agenda. Paul was talking about the gospel being preached and Jesus coming first to His people. That has zero to do with the seven year covenant in the end that has the AntiChrist placing the abomination after which the world has only 3 1/2 years left before Jesus returns.
dad
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The times are given in several places, in days, months, and years. The covenant is also referred to in Dan 11.
Daniel 11:32
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
During that time all this will not be obvious to the people in the world.
Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
jeffweeder
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The new cov is confirmed to Daniels people for one week.
The 70 weeks were decreed for Daniels people to...,
24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
This confirmation obviously takes place at the start of the final week at the beginning of Jesus (Messiah's) ministry to accomplish atonement for us.
25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];
Jesus confirmed the cov with his blood for the first half of the week with the power of the Holy Spirit and his disciples waited till they were filled with the power of the Holy Spirit to complete the last half of the week to Daniels people before it went to the Gentile world.
As the Father sent Jesus with the Gospel of reconciliation , so Jesus also sent his disciples with that same ministry.
John 20:21
Then Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you [as My representatives].”
2 Corinthians 5:18
But all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ [making us acceptable to Him] and gave us the ministry of reconciliation [so that by our example we might bring others to Him],
dad
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It is referred to elsewhere also as posted. If you have no argument just admit defeat.
The Light
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What you are posting, does not agree with what the scripture says. For example see you next statement.
The Word says that Messiah shall be cut off after 69 weeks. You claim that Messiah is cut off after 69 1/2 weeks. That does not agree with scripture. The 70th week of Daniel has not begun yet.
Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Great. Now that the nation of Israel has been reborn, you would think these entire historic orthodox Christian Church would realize God is not finished with Israel.
The Light
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That's all well and good except that the 70th week of Daniel has not begun as of yet.
The week which lies after the 69th week is the 70th week, and the midst of the 70th week (Daniel 9:27) lies at 70 1/2 weeks.
The 70th week began at the beginning of Jesus' ministry.
Every Israelite who has accepted Christ and His New Covenant since He proclaimed it has been reborn and added to the Holy Nation of the Church. (1 Peter 2:9)
This was the united understanding of the historic orthodox Christian Church.
jeffweeder
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If that be true then there is no new cov , no atonement for sin and Jesus accomplished nothing.
Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant [ratified] in My blood.
Hebrews 9:15
For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
The 'weeks' were a part of the Hebrew calendar - the Sabbatical cycles. Calendars have leap years, but they don't have gaps, and definitely not 2000 yr gaps.
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But Bible Prophecy does.
Plainly; the Messiah was killed at the end of the 69th 'week'. There is no indication of a seven year period after that, esp one with all the things said to happen then. Daniel 9:26-27
jeffweeder
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25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];
Messiahs death and shed blood made atonement in 70th week not the 69th.
See v24
24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
dad
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Not sure why you think anyone needs to play the silly game of trying to find words you like in one chapter.
Daniel 11:32
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
We know this evil king in the end days from many places in the bible, not one book. The 42 months from the middle of the seven years is confirmed in Rev.
Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Also Dan
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
None of this remotely relates to any time thousands of years ago
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The Light
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I believe the 69 week ends when Jesus comes on Palm Sunday when He rides on a donkey.
Only the elect of Israel received what they sought; the rest were blinded. Only part of Israel will have its blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
So it's just a matter of timing. Part of Israel will have its blindness removed after the 1st harvest. This will occur after the pre 70th week rapture of the Church.
The Light
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70 weeks are determined upon the people of Daniel. Only 69 weeks have occurred.
The Messiah comes on a donkey on Palm Sunday. This is not when Jesus began His ministry.
Luke 19
29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Just as has been prophesied.
Zechariah 9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
The Light
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Why would you say that there is no new covenant. The covenant is the blood of Jesus which has already been shed for those that believe. Gods plan was for Israel to be the first harvest as God saw the fathers of the Jews as the 1st fruits of the 1st harvest.
Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time:
The Jews went to Baalpeor so they would not be the 1st harvest. The Gentiles will be the 1st harvest as Israel has been blinded except for the election at the time of Christ.
Hosea 9
10........ but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.
Those 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel should tell you that God is not finished with Israel and will keep His promise to His Chosen.
Rev 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
jeffweeder
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Its also the shed blood that atones and makes reconciliation for sin. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins, no Gospel , no NC. Jesus atoned for sin in the 70th week. You seem to believe that 69 weeks are decreed for the atonement of sin
- 24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];
Messiah arrives AFTER 7+62 weeks.
Jn 1
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.” 32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”
Jesus then begins his ministry of reconciliation to fulfill all 6 points through his blood.
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