Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Keraz]

No...God is always in control, and Christ always King, the same yesterday, today, and forever--even in and over the whole earth.

Obviously God does allow ungodly rulers on earth. I could name quite a few!

God does have ultimate control over all of His Creation, but His Plan to have a faithful people, who freely choose Him to obey, has to have a choice.

since the Father gave all authority to Christ Jesus:

Jesus does have all authority, but anyone can see that He is yet to take it up and become the visible King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Revelation 19:11-21

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly. And that is why Daniel's 70th week is in the future.

Here is what will need to happen according to Daniel 9:24:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city:
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

None of this can happen BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore to apply the 70th week of this prophecy to Christ (rather than the Antichrist) is to fail to see what the prophecy is really all about.

1, Has there been an "end of sins" on earth? Of course not.
2. Is sin and evil actually increasing by leaps and bounds until the coming of the Antichrist? Absolutely.
3. Is the World Economic Forum, the UN, the Great Reset, and "Build Back Better" preparation for the rule of the Antichrist? Absolutely.

Aren't you a premillennialist? In the Premil view, the literal end of sins on earth doesn't occur until 1000+ years after the second coming of Christ. So, do you think the 70th week will occur around 1000 years after the second coming of Christ?

 

[Enoch111]

No...God is always in control, and Christ always King, the same yesterday, today, and forever--even in and over the whole earth.

Yes God is always sovereign over His creation, but for the present time He is allowing Satan to play havoc with humanity. Just like He allowed Satan to play havoc with Job. Therefore Christ cannot be said to be ruling and reigning. But when He does, Satan will either be chained in the bottomless pit, or be in torment in the Lake of Fire.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus does have all authority, but anyone can see that He is yet to take it up and become the visible King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Revelation 19:11-21

Jesus has indeed taken up all authority--with me--that is my testimony, and I am not alone. I also see Him, that is, I see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2

 

[Enoch111]

Aren't you a premillennialist? In the Premil view, the literal end of sins on earth doesn't occur until 1000+ years after the second coming of Christ. So, do you think the 70th week will occur around 1000 years after the second coming of Christ?

Firstly let's be clear about Premillennialism. According to Theopedia:
Premillennialism teaches that the Second coming will occur before a literal thousand-year reign of Christ from Jerusalem upon the earth. In the early church, premillennialism was called chiliasm, from the Greek term meaning 1,000, a word used six times in Revelation 20:2-7... Premillennialism was the most widely held view of the earliest centuries of the church...

Now as you may have noticed, the OP applied Daniel's 70th week to Christ. And that is false for a number of reasons. But if the Second Coming is BEFORE the Millennium, we should also keep in mind that the Second Coming is immediately AFTER the reign of the Antichrist. And the Antichrist is assigned the first half of the 70th week (3 1/2 years).

 

[ScottA]

Yes God is always sovereign over His creation, but for the present time He is allowing Satan to play havoc with humanity. Just like He allowed Satan to play havoc with Job. Therefore Christ cannot be said to be ruling and reigning. But when He does, Satan will either be chained in the bottomless pit, or be in torment in the Lake of Fire.

You are giving Satan too much credit, the world is all He has.

The things of God, including God's people, Satan has no power over. Those who are born of God (born again of the spirit of God) may be "alive and remain" in this world which is under the rule of Satan--but we are not of the world. Therefore I say Jesus has indeed taken up His authority, which began with Christ the firstfruits and has continued since Pentecost.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes God is always sovereign over His creation, but for the present time He is allowing Satan to play havoc with humanity. Just like He allowed Satan to play havoc with Job. Therefore Christ cannot be said to be ruling and reigning. But when He does, Satan will either be chained in the bottomless pit, or be in torment in the Lake of Fire.

So, is it your view that God has never been ruling and reigning except for a short time before Adam and Eve sinned? Satan has been playing havoc with humanity to some extent almost since the beginning of time. I don't believe that Satan's behavior and the behavior of those he is influencing dictates whether God is ruling and reigning or not. The same is true regarding Christ. Think of any earthly king from throughout history. Would you say they were never ruling and reigning over their kingdoms since not everyone they ruled over obeyed them all the time? Is that how ruling and reigning works? I don't think so.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Firstly let's be clear about Premillennialism. According to Theopedia:
Premillennialism teaches that the Second coming will occur before a literal thousand-year reign of Christ from Jerusalem upon the earth. In the early church, premillennialism was called chiliasm, from the Greek term meaning 1,000, a word used six times in Revelation 20:2-7... Premillennialism was the most widely held view of the earliest centuries of the church...

Now as you may have noticed, the OP applied Daniel's 70th week to Christ. And that is false for a number of reasons. But if the Second Coming is BEFORE the Millennium, we should also keep in mind that the Second Coming is immediately AFTER the reign of the Antichrist. And the Antichrist is assigned the first half of the 70th week (3 1/2 years).

You didn't really address my question here, so I'm going to try again. Are you a premillennialist or not? If so, how do you reconcile your understanding of the making an end of sins and the fulfillment of bringing in everlasting righteousness (Daniel 9:24) with your understanding of the timing of the 70th week?

 

[covenantee]

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city:
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

Fulfilled completely and perfectly in and by Christ.

At His first coming.

Declared by the historic orthodox Christian Church for more than 17 centuries.

 

[Timtofly]

You didn't really address my question here, so I'm going to try again. Are you a premillennialist or not? If so, how do you reconcile your understanding of the making an end of sins and the fulfillment of bringing in everlasting righteousness (Daniel 9:24) with your understanding of the timing of the 70th week?

Both Amil and Premill claim the 70 weeks are fulfilled before the 1,000 year reign.

So what is the difference?

Amil's 1,000 years is the current sin filled state of the earth.

Premill do not claim sin continues on into the Millennium. At least they should not. They are in error if they claim the 70th week is fulfilled, but not really.

 

[Davy]

Here is my timeline and dates for Daniels 70-weeks prophecy.

"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city… Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks …
And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; … he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” (Daniel 9:24-27 NKJV abbrev.)​

As you can see, I have it starting 457 BC date being Artaxerxes' 7th year. However, there have been no small number of differences when it comes to the terminus a quo of Daniels weeks. Some say the first year of Cyrus in 538 BC. Others say Darius (520 BC) Still others, Artaxerxes' 20th year (444 BC)

As if that wasn’t as all over the place enough, the crucifixion of Jesus – the high point of the prophecy – has ranged from AD 29 to AD 33!

We could do without the muddle and, as you can see, the diagram shows exactly 7 + 62 + ½ weeks from the emperor’s decree until the cross. Let’s discuss.

Nothing but a FALSE CHART ABOVE that does NOT stay with the actual Daniel 9 prophecy, and that irregardless of when the date for Artaxerxes is.

Brethren in Christ, the Daniel 9:27 verse is about the ANTICHRIST, not... Lord Jesus. These FAKES have Daniel 9:27 as part of Christ's Ministry! Can't get any more false than that.

The original poster has JESUS ending the daily sacrifice and PLACING THE ABOMINATION IDOL in Jerusalem! That is what the Daniel 9:27 verse is about, and is linked to the "vile person" acts in Daniel 11. That would make Lord Jesus an idol worshiper if applied to Him!

That's actually how much these false Judaizers that come here pushing that propaganda don't care about God's Word as written. They hate Lord Jesus, which is what anyone saying Jesus places the abomination of desolation is actually doing. And if they don't know any better, that shows they are in an even worse situation, and are liable to slap just any old evil upon Lord Jesus.

 

[covenantee]

Nothing but a FALSE CHART ABOVE that does NOT stay with the actual Daniel 9 prophecy, and that irregardless of when the date for Artaxerxes is.

Brethren in Christ, the Daniel 9:27 verse is about the ANTICHRIST, not... Lord Jesus. These FAKES have Daniel 9:27 as part of Christ's Ministry! Can't get any more false than that.

The original poster has JESUS ending the daily sacrifice and PLACING THE ABOMINATION IDOL in Jerusalem! That is what the Daniel 9:27 verse is about, and is linked to the "vile person" acts in Daniel 11. That would make Lord Jesus an idol worshiper if applied to Him!

That's actually how much these false Judaizers that come here pushing that propaganda don't care about God's Word as written. They hate Lord Jesus, which is what anyone saying Jesus places the abomination of desolation is actually doing. And if they don't know any better, that shows they are in an even worse situation, and are liable to slap just any old evil upon Lord Jesus.

Provide for us a verbatim quote of Daniel 9:27.
Then highlight the word "antichrist" within the verse.
Then italicize the word "antichrist" within the verse.
Then enlarge the font for the word "antichrist" within the verse.

We'll be sure not to miss the word "antichrist" within the verse.

 

[Davy]

Provide for us a verbatim quote of Daniel 9:27.
Then highlight the word "antichrist" within the verse.
Then italicize the word "antichrist" within the verse.
Then enlarge the font for the word "antichrist" within the verse.

We'll be sure not to miss the word "antichrist" within the verse.

Ah... just go stand in a corner and face the wall for a while. That will probably do you more good.

Anyone who can read, knows the events in Daniel 9:27 is about a false one ending sacrifices in Jerusalem (once they are started again for the end of this world), and then instead places an IDOL abomination in worship instead. Saying Lord Jesus did that is blasphemy!

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

It's silly to think that Jesus fulfilled those above events during His Ministry.

 

[covenantee]

Ah... just go stand in a corner and face the wall for a while. That will probably do you more good.

Anyone who can read, knows the events in Daniel 9:27 is about a false one ending sacrifices in Jerusalem (once they are started again for the end of this world), and then instead places an IDOL abomination in worship instead. Saying Lord Jesus did that is blasphemy!

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

It's silly to think that Jesus fulfilled those above events during His Ministry.

Waiting for that word "antichrist".

Anywhere that you can find it in the OT.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Anyone who can read, knows the events in Daniel 9:27 is about a false one ending sacrifices in Jerusalem (once they are started again for the end of this world), and then instead places an IDOL abomination in worship instead. Saying Lord Jesus did that is blasphemy!

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation

The New Living does a bad job of Daniel 9:27. Try NKJV.

Dan 9:27
He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ yrs after his revealing) shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (temple curtain torn) And on the wing of abominations (ongoing sacrifice an abomination) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate. (judgement on Jerusalem)
New King James (bracketed notes added)

 

[Enoch111]

Provide for us a verbatim quote of Daniel 9:27.
Then highlight the word "antichrist" within the verse.
Then italicize the word "antichrist" within the verse.
Then enlarge the font for the word "antichrist" within the verse.

More childish nonsense. Which means nothing of substance.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

The Douay does a good job of Dan 9:27, but you have misunderstood it. The early church was meaning that when animal sacrifice ceased to atone following Christs final sacrifice, the ongoing animal sacrifices became abominable. So, the overspreading abomination from the cross onwards was actually the old altar.

 

[Davy]

The New Living does a bad job of Daniel 9:27. Try NKJV.

The New Living Bible is actually MORE accurate on that specific subject, even better than the KJV on that point of what the 'abomination' there is.

The Douay-Rheims Bible was translated from the old Latin Vulgate into English, in the 16th century, about the same time as the 1611 KJV. Even it translates Daniel 9:27 more accurately about the idol to be setup in a temple being what the abomination that makes desolate is about.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

That interpretation is proven accurate about the idol abomination to be placed in a temple in Jerusalem in other Bible Scripture. In the Daniel 11 chapter about the "vile person", we are given a detail of what the Daniel 9:27 is about with that "vile person" making a "league" with a small group of Jews in Jerusalem, and showing the "holy covenant" there is actually a re-establishing of the Old Covenant worship by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem again. Then that "vile person" will end the daily sacrifices and instead place the 'abomination that maketh desolate', revealing that the idea of desolation is NOT about destruction, but about DESECRATION of the temple with an IDOL.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

That is about the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus forewarned in His Olivet discourse. That is not about destruction of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem. It is about spiritual desecration of the future 3rd temple to be built by the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

In 70 A.D., when the 2nd temple in Jerusalem caught fire with the Jews inside it fighting the Roman army, that temple burned down before the Romans could get possession of it.

That means the Romans did NOT fulfill any placing of an 'abomination idol' inside the temple for false worship like Antiochus Epiphanes did in 165 B.C. Thus Jesus' warning about the "abomination of desolation" is for a future event for the end of this world, still future to us today.

 

[Davy]

The Douay does a good job of Dan 9:27, but you have misunderstood it. The early church was meaning that when animal sacrifice ceased to atone following Christs final sacrifice, the ongoing animal sacrifices became abominable. So, the overspreading abomination from the cross onwards was actually the old altar.

I'm not the one who has misunderstood the Daniel 9:27 verse, YOU ARE.

The Daniel 11 Scripture about the "vile person" details the events of Daniel 9:27, so listen up...

Dan 11:21-24
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
KJV

That "vile person" represents the Antichrist for the end of this world. Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. served as a 'partial' fulfillment of this prophecy, with differences, for Antiochus took Jerusalem with an army; he didn't obtain the kingdom using peace like the final Antichrist will.

Dan 11:28
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
KJV

He will be against the holy covenant, even though he will make that "league" with a small group of Jews per the above. This shows the old covenant worship going on in Jerusalem, which means a daily sacrifice with a temple, etc.

Dan 11:30-31
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

There it is, that "vile person" will end those daily sacrifices in Jerusalem, and instead place an IDOL abomination inside the temple instead in false worship. Antiochus IV almost fulfilled that, but we know this was NOT about him, because about 200 years later after Antiochus Epiphanes had been dead, Lord Jesus Christ said this...

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
KJV

Mark 13:14
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
KJV

Then we have Apostle Paul warning about that future event for the very end also...

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

Now in 70 A.D., the Romans tried... to get control of the 2nd temple, but it burned down before they could get possession of it. Thusly, the Romans did NOT fulfill this Daniel 9, 11 prophecy about the placing of an IDOL abomination inside the temple in Jerusalem for false worship, thus desecrating the temple.

And no later temple in Jerusalem has ever been built by the Jews. But today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem plan to build one, and even have the materials ready to do it, and even the temple artifacts required for old covenant worship.

The doctrines of men that are against God's Word about this which I showed above are against God's people knowing about these coming events which Lord Jesus and His Apostles warned us about for the end of this world. And Lord Jesus linked this next temple with the coming of a false-Messiah who comes first instead of Him. So many of you guys are way, way behind in your Bible understanding just because of your listening to the devil's children that have crept into the many seminaries out there.

 

[Timtofly]

Ah... just go stand in a corner and face the wall for a while. That will probably do you more good.

Anyone who can read, knows the events in Daniel 9:27 is about a false one ending sacrifices in Jerusalem (once they are started again for the end of this world), and then instead places an IDOL abomination in worship instead. Saying Lord Jesus did that is blasphemy!

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

It's silly to think that Jesus fulfilled those above events during His Ministry.

It is blasphemy to use a corrupt translation that paints Jesus as an AC instead of the means of the Atonement.

Satan can do nothing without God's permission. I guess you missed that point when you read Job.