Daniel 9:27 the covenant to be confirmed

[Douggg]

Why it will be the Mt. Sinai covenant.

Deuteronomy 31, Moses starts off by speaking to all Israel, i.e. the people gathered together, saying that he was 120 years old and not as fit as he once was. And that the LORD told him he would not be entering the promised land. But also informing them that God will destroy the nations in the land that they would inherit.

Then after giving some encouraging words to Joshua, in verses 7-8, Moses wrote a law which is essentially instructions to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year basis and handed it to the priests there that day.

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

In the law, instructions, Moses commanded them to

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

So the cycle was set after that first seven years. And has been done every seven years since - unless circumstances like being in exile from the land prevented it. It has not been done in recent times because of the access issue to the temple mount.

Moses continued....

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

The place of God's choosing is currently taken to be the temple mount by the Jews. I was informed by the Jews (Judaism) themselves of their position.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

So the whole nation is going to be a participant to confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant of God giving the promised land as their forever.
You can see how that would not go over with Muslims under the current circumstances. So it will be done once the Muslim presence is removed from the temple mount - i.e. following Gog/Magog.

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Moses was intent that future generations would not forget everything the children of Israel of his generation went through under the Mt. Sinai covenant by which God gave them the promised land as theirs forever.

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So that ceremonial event will be overseen by the Antichrist on the feast of tabernacles from the temple mount. A big speech, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle established by Moses. The false prophet will also take part in the ceremony in my view.

 

[covenantee]

Why it will be the Mt. Sinai covenant.

Deuteronomy 31, Moses starts off by speaking to all Israel, i.e. the people gathered together, saying that he was 120 years old and not as fit as he once was. And that the LORD told him he would not be entering the promised land. But also informing them that God will destroy the nations in the land that they would inherit.

Then after giving some encouraging words to Joshua, in verses 7-8, Moses wrote a law which is essentially instructions to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year basis and handed it to the priests there that day.

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

In the law, instructions, Moses commanded them to

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

So the cycle was set after that first seven years. And has been done every seven years since - unless circumstances like being in exile from the land prevented it. It has not been done in recent times because of the access issue to the temple mount.

Moses continued....

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

The place of God's choosing is currently taken to be the temple mount by the Jews. I was informed by the Jews (Judaism) themselves of their position.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

So the whole nation is going to be a participant to confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant of God giving the promised land as their forever.
You can see how that would not go over with Muslims under the current circumstances. So it will be done once the Muslim presence is removed from the temple mount - i.e. following Gog/Magog.

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Moses was intent that future generations would not forget everything the children of Israel of his generation went through under the Mt. Sinai covenant by which God gave them the promised land as theirs forever.

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So that ceremonial event will be overseen by the Antichrist on the feast of tabernacles from the temple mount. A big speech, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle established by Moses. The false prophet will also take part in the ceremony in my view.






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Let's see some New Covenant Scripture confirming that it will be the old Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Scripture and in law, a New Covenant transcends an old covenant.

You'll have to explain this:

2 Corinthians 3 NASB
5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a New Covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

That was fulfilled 2,000 years ago at Calvary. Matthew 26:28

 

[Douggg]

Let's see some New Covenant Scripture confirming that it will be the old Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Scripture and in law, a New Covenant transcends an old covenant.

You'll have to explain this:

2 Corinthians 3 NASB
5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves so as to consider anything as having come from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God,
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a New Covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

That was fulfilled 2,000 years ago at Calvary. Matthew 26:28

The Jews still go by the old covenant which established the daily sacrifice to be stopped in the middle part of the 7 years.

Also the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem. So it is important to know the Jews' position. Not that they are right concerning the New Covenant in Christ, but as a matter of what will take place.

 

[covenantee]

The Jews still go by the old covenant which established the daily sacrifice to be stopped in the middle part of the 7 years.

Also the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem. So it is important to know the Jews' position. Not that they are right concerning the New Covenant in Christ, but as a matter of what will take place.

The Jews' position is irrelevant, because it is untenable, illegitimate, and invalid. It matters naught what they go by.

It will not take place, because in both law and Scripture, two covenants cannot prevail simultaneously.

The New has irrevocably replaced the old. Hebrews 8:13; 10:9

 

[Douggg]

The Jews' position is irrelevant, because it is untenable, illegitimate, and invalid. It matters naught what they go by.

It will not take place, because in both law and Scripture, two covenants cannot prevail simultaneously.

The New has irrevocably replaced the old. Hebrews 8:13; 10:9

Since the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem, what the Jews believed does matter.

 

[covenantee]

Since the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem, what the Jews believed does matter.

70 weeks, determined by Messiah the Prince 2,000 years ago.

Not determined by the Jews.

Not 69 weeks and one undetermined decapitation.

 

[Douggg]

70 weeks, determined by Messiah the Prince 2,000 years ago.

Not determined by the Jews.

Not 69 weeks and one undetermined decapitation.

Not determined "by" the Jews. But determined upon the Jews.

Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[covenantee]

Not determined "by" the Jews. But determined upon the Jews.

Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

True.

 

[ewq1938]

Why it will be the Mt. Sinai covenant.

That covenant is gone so there is no possibility of that happening in our future.


Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.



The new covenant was a better one and established on better promises.



Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.



The first covenant had faults. If it would have had no faults then a second one would never have been created.




Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.



A new covenant not according to the original. That proves the new covenant is not simply the old one "renewed" and "refreshed".



Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The first covenant was made "old" and decayed from "death" which is what happens to something which is old and has been replaced.

 

[jeffweeder]

The Jews' position is irrelevant, because it is untenable, illegitimate, and invalid. It matters naught what they go by.

It will not take place, because in both law and Scripture, two covenants cannot prevail simultaneously.

The New has irrevocably replaced the old. Hebrews 8:13; 10:9

Amen.
The Messiah of Dan 9 confirms a new covenant, as per Jesus own teaching of a new and living way through his own blood.
Hence, we have ourselves an end to sin and iniquity and transgression and the everlasting fruits of righteousness that come with this.
Glory be to God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Earburner]

Not determined "by" the Jews. But determined upon the Jews.

Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Those six works of God (KJV Dan. 9:24) were given to Jesus the Messiah to "finish", as He did declare it in the Garden of Gethsemane (KJV John 17:4), and when He was on the cross (KJV John 19:30).

In their human flesh, John the baptist and Jesus were a joint ministry Zech. 4:14.
John was for 6 mos., and Jesus Himself was for 3 years, of which fulfilled the 70th week of KJV Dan. 9:26-27, as well as the 1260 days in Rev. 11:3-8.

We find in KJV Dan. 9:26 that the beginning of "the midst of the week", was the first 3.5 years upto Jesus' crucifixion. But then in the latter remaining 3.5 years of the 70th week, after his resurrection and ascension, He worked with the early church through the Apostles, and continued on in His "confirming of the [New] Covenant with many for ONE WEEK", which is the 70th week. KJV Dan. 9:27.

The last evidence of Jesus confirming the New covenant being so, is when Paul met the Glorified Christ on the road to Damascus. Unfortunately, I cannot attest to the actual date of that encounter, but then again neither can any others. However, what dates that are found to be on common ground, is within 4-6 years after Jesus Ascended. That is the estimated time of when Jesus approached Paul.

The site below is referenced only for reasons of the work it displays. I do not agree to all of his personal conclusions.

Timeline from Jesus' death to Paul's conversion. - JesusAlive.cc

The amount of time between the death of Jesus, and His subsequent appearance to Paul would be 8 or 9 years (28 or 29 A.D. to around 36 A.D.).

jesusalive.cc

 

[Douggg]

Those six works of God (KJV Dan. 9:24) were given to Jesus the Messiah to "finish", as He did declare it in the Garden of Gethsemane (KJV John 17:4), and when He was on the cross (KJV John 19:30).

In their human flesh, John the baptist and Jesus were a joint ministry Zech. 4:14.
John was for 6 mos., and Jesus Himself was for 3 years, of which fulfilled the 70th week of KJV Dan. 9:26-27, as well as the 1260 days in Rev. 11:3-8.

We find in KJV Dan. 9:26 that the beginning of "the midst of the week", was the first 3.5 years upto Jesus' crucifixion. But then in the latter remaining 3.5 years of the 70th week, after his resurrection and ascension, He worked with the early church through the Apostles, and continued on in His "confirming of the [New] Covenant with many for ONE WEEK", which is the 70th week. KJV Dan. 9:27.

The covenant referred to in Daniel 9:27 is the same covenant in Daniel 9:4. In the New Testament we have no testimony by any of the writers of Jesus confirming the new covenant for 7 years.

What some persons have done is taken bits and pieces to build a hypothesis about the new covenant being confirmed for 7 years.

The covenant to be confirmed for 7 years is the same as in Daniel 9:4 - the Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses made a requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle.

The Mt. Sinai covenant established the daily sacrifice that will be stopped in the middle part of the 7 year 70th week.

Those 7 years will follow the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Since the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem, what the Jews believed does matter.

Wrong Douggg.

Daniel's people are not strictly Jews, but remnants of believing Jews of the Old Testament and the remnant of the New Testament, the spiritual Jews in Christ, They all are Daniel's people in God's Eye, just as we shall sit with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven. We all are New Jersualem... IN CHRIST. This is the covenant that the Lord confirmed with His people, Selah!

Not your fantasy of 7 years peace treaty or "Mount Sinai" covenant between national Israel and your so-called antichrist!

 

[TribulationSigns]

The covenant referred to in Daniel 9:27 is the same covenant in Daniel 9:4.

False. It is a new covenant, confirmed by Christ's blood. Go look up in Hebrew 9!

In the New Testament we have no testimony by any of the writers of Jesus confirming the new covenant for 7 years.

Because it is a spiritual covenant! Go read Hebrew 9!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Those 7 years will follow the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

You do not even know who the armies of Gog and Magog are! Stop watching world news and hope for a massive invasion of nation Israel to get ready for an "anytime" rapture. Silly you.

 

[Wrangler]

Let's see some New Covenant Scripture confirming that it will be the old Mt. Sinai covenant.

A covenant does not have to be confirmed to be valid.

In Scripture and in law, a New Covenant transcends an old covenant.

Only those that are germane to the elements of the covenant. For instance, the Amendments to the US Constitution do not replace the entire constitution. They supercede only those aspects that the new Amendments address.

In this way, the covenants of God are additive, not each replacing the previous.

1. The Noahic Covenant – Genesis 9​

2. The Abrahamic Covenant – Genesis 12​

3. The Mosaic Covenant – Exodus 19-24​

4. The Davidic Covenant – 2 Samuel 7​

5. The New Covenant – Jeremiah 31​

From Theology Thursday: What Are the Biblical Covenants?

The Concept of Covenant​

A covenant in the ancient world was similar to what we in the modern world would call a contract, treaty, or a will. Each covenant established the basis of a relationship, conditions for that relationship, promises and conditions of the relationship and consequences if those conditions were unmet. One of the most familiar examples of a covenant for us is marriage.

Why do I think understanding covenant is so important? It is because the covenants provide the skeletal framework for how the whole biblical story holds together. As the story of the Bible unfolds, we see God is a covenant making, covenant keeping, and covenant fulfilling God. God establishes covenants with certain people and these covenants are the way God unfolds his redemptive plan. The covenants are the structure of the story.

That was fulfilled 2,000 years ago at Calvary.

Fulfillment does not mean replacement. Christ said so himself at Matthew 5:17.

Another point, when the OT says the land is to be Israel's forever, one has to integrate how this could be true when they were exiled before the New Covenant?

And finally, a very good reason the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah is that he did not fulfill all the OT prophecies about the Messiah. (That we have a 2nd Coming explanation does not invalid the OT law and prophets that Jesus talked about in Matthew 5:17). Jesus may have come to fulfill the law and prophets but he has not yet fulfilled the military and political prophecies of the Messiah and they necessarily remain in force and effect.

Hope this helps.

 

[covenantee]

A covenant does not have to be confirmed to be valid.

A covenant does not exist until both parties agree to its terms and conditions.

That which does not exist is neither confirmed nor valid.

 

[covenantee]

Only those that are germane to the elements of the covenant. For instance, the Amendments to the US Constitution do not replace the entire constitution. They supercede only those aspects that the new Amendments address.

In this way, the covenants of God are additive, not each replacing the previous.

1. The Noahic Covenant – Genesis 9​

2. The Abrahamic Covenant – Genesis 12​

3. The Mosaic Covenant – Exodus 19-24​

4. The Davidic Covenant – 2 Samuel 7​

5. The New Covenant – Jeremiah 31​

The New Covenant is uniquely also the New Testament i.e. testamentary will. It required, and came into full force and effect upon, the death of Christ its Testator.

Neither the US Constitution nor any of the other aforementioned covenants are testamentary wills.

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[covenantee]

Fulfillment does not mean replacement. Christ said so himself at Matthew 5:17.

ful·fill
[fo͝olˈfil]
verb
fulfil (verb) · fulfils (third person present) · fulfilled (past tense) · fulfilled (past participle) · fulfilling (present participle) · fulfill (verb) · fulfills (third person present)

• bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted)

That which has been fulfilled, i.e. completed/realized/achieved, requires no re-fulfillment i.e. re-completion/re-realization/re-achievement.

 

[covenantee]

Another point, when the OT says the land is to be Israel's forever, one has to integrate how this could be true when they were exiled before the New Covenant?

What is true is that the old testamentary will has been replaced by the New Testamentary Will, which declares:

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.