Critical thinking and education is linked to loss of faith

[quietthinker]

I have more now. :)
But does what I said make sense to you at all?

I'm trying to get the gist of what you want to say, but frankly, your post is a bit muddled.
Lateral thinking allows options, it enables choices. Critical is just that, ie critical. It looks from a negative position and is always in 'battle' mode.

 

[MA2444]

If we believe in God and we do then there is no way to discount critical thinking or lateral thinking because whether we like it or not, everything is spiritutal.

Worldly critical thinking usually only deals with so called fact and information whereas lateral thinking allows us to easily apply personal experience to perhaps go above normal logic. Lateral thinking may say, unseen forces are real on this planet. Worldly critical thinking says no way.

So the tie breaker is our very own ears and eyes. Our experience. SO at that point (to me) it is ok to apply critical thinking in a spiritual way to the idea brought about by the lateral thinking. I have seen with my own eyes, some pretty spooky stuff happen on this planet!

So it has become fact to me and I wind up asking myself if this is facts, then other spiritual facts may also be true. In fact (sic!) what if it's all true? because if some of it is true then all of it is true.

So we need them both. Critical thinking and lateral thinking.

 

[APAK]

They dont teach critical thinking to the kids anymore. It's not like a critical spirit! More like an ability to reason and question and test previously held beliefs and evaluate and reflect and examine, reason to the new belief. To recognize the ambiguity of previously held beliefs to the new (theory) put forth. Then taking into account our personal experience which usually tips it one way or the other we form new judgments or hold on to old ones as the case may be.

What's so hard about that? lol. Well simple, the day the was supposed to teach critical thinking they cancelled that and watched a movie about choosing which gender you could be! So our kids are a bunch of dummies! That's why you can speak facts to them and they dont get it! Well, no it depends on how you feel what gender you are, LOL! That's like as far away from the truth as one can get!

It explains why we were nut jobs to our parents and why are our kids are nut jobs to us! Each generation gets dumber and less able to think for themselves.

Totally agree with your generational assessment of younger generations being dumbed down, with non-critical thought(s), deliberately programmed by the elite, of all kinds, I might say...

So when they, the younger generations have to apply some analysis and acute thinking on any topic it is found wanting. They lack this God-given skill and training and rely on the mass media, corrupt leaders of all kinds on all levels, and now forms of AI etc.

 

[APAK]

have another coffee ...and don't forget the water!

Too late, I'm on the ceiling already!

 

[Finis Fidei]

Those wearing the Christian label are not all Christians in spirit, in heart. In fact most are not true Christians. You are wrestling with the wrong crowd.

My crowd isn't the problem. Essentially the entirety of Christian media is contrary to Christianity. And, then I have to ask, how can godly people support ungodly media? They can't. I no longer believe in the transformative power of faith in Christ. I think Christians are just as unregenerate as anyone else, except with a Christian flavor.

Consider if you see an article titled," Five Ways to Pray More Effectively", you might think that's a nice Christian article. But, when I read it, I know it'll just make me want to puke. Five ways to bake better bred? Five ways to better control the spirits in a seance? Five ways to try to manipulate God for personal gain.

It goes down hill from there.

 

[MA2444]

Totally agree with your generational assessment of younger generations being dumbed down, with non-critical thought(s), deliberately programmed by the elite, of all kinds, I might say...

So when they, the younger generations have to apply some analysis and acute thinking on any topic it is found wanting. They lack this God-given skill and training and rely on the mass media, corrupt leaders of all kinds on all levels, and now forms of AI etc.

And Google! How did we ever learn anything without Google? It's mystery to the young ones, lol.

 

[Finis Fidei]

I think that the reason why so many Christians end up absconding their faith as they learn more about science and history is because the specific niche of Christianity they were raised up in. But many deconstruct from a young earth creationism and an angry god and reconstructs into a healthier pro science faith.

No, no one leaves Christianity because they learn about science and history. They leave Christianity because they were never Christian (they never wanted to live as a Christian) or because Christians are horrible people (the only reason any sincere Christian ever stops being a Christian).

Yes, I expect everyone and his brother to disagree with me. But, they're all wrong.

I imagine Christians are more ignorant of history than ever, yet they're still fleeing Christianity in droves. I imagine Christians are as ignorant of science as ever, yet they're still fleeing Christianity in droves. Something like the Big Bang just gives them a hook for a weak excuse.

For the vast majority of people who abandon Young Earth Creationism, that departure follows their departer from the faith, not the other way around. Besides, the Big Bang isn't pro-science. It's just an atheistic can't-think-of-anything-better story.

 

[APAK]

My crowd isn't the problem. Essentially the entirety of Christian media is contrary to Christianity. And, then I have to ask, how can godly people support ungodly media? They can't. I no longer believe in the transformative power of faith in Christ. I think Christians are just as unregenerate as anyone else, except with a Christian flavor.

Consider if you see an article titled," Five Ways to Pray More Effectively", you might think that's a nice Christian article. But, when I read it, I know it'll just make me want to puke. Five ways to bake better bred? Five ways to better control the spirits in a seance? Five ways to try to manipulate God for personal gain.

It goes down hill from there.

I see you have had some major negative experiences in your own faith, in God or even other people and even self...

Again, the audience of this kind of majority called Christianity is not by cup of tea. They are not authentic. And I ignore these types of media sourced by them all together. Why should I deal with things like the article you presented from lay people or pastors to show me how to pray for example.

If the Spirit of God does not guide my actions and my inner thoughts especially to communication with God, then listening to other people will just lead me astray in my genuine faith in the Creator..

So I might agree with some of what you have said here....and I call myself a genuine believer on God and his Son, and I suppose you did once although not anymore..?

 

[APAK]

And Google! How did we ever learn anything without Google? It's mystery to the young ones, lol.

Google, a CIA/intel device or asset

 

[Skovand]

No, no one leaves Christianity because they learn about science and history. They leave Christianity because they were never Christian (they never wanted to live as a Christian) or because Christians are horrible people (the only reason any sincere Christian ever stops being a Christian).

Yes, I expect everyone and his brother to disagree with me. But, they're all wrong.

I imagine Christians are more ignorant of history than ever, yet they're still fleeing Christianity in droves. I imagine Christians are as ignorant of science as ever, yet they're still fleeing Christianity in droves. Something like the Big Bang just gives them a hook for a weak excuse.

For the vast majority of people who abandon Young Earth Creationism, that departure follows their departer from the faith, not the other way around. Besides, the Big Bang isn't pro-science. It's just an atheistic can't-think-of-anything-better story.

Many who are Christians leaves the faith because of being forced to choice either a hyper conservative anti scientific form of Christianity or either reject that for a more compassionate, science affirming atheism. But many of those who it, are coming back because they’ve found very liberal love driven science affirming forms of Christianity supported by biblical scholarship.

 

[Finis Fidei]

Many who are Christians leaves the faith because of being forced to choice either a hyper conservative anti scientific form of Christianity or either reject that for a more compassionate, science affirming atheism. But many of those who it, are coming back because they’ve found very liberal love driven science affirming forms of Christianity supported by biblical scholarship.

Given that there are denominations are neutral with, or event favor, your concept of science, so I see anyone leaving Christianity over science. Christians are very comfortable imposing their beliefs upon the Bible, so I don't see many people leaving just because the Bible says something different than what they believe.

As I hinted previously, you're confusing the doctrines of your Atheistic religion with science. So, it's not a case that you have legitimate scientific objections to the Bible. Your own phrase "liberal love driven science" has demolished your case. Cold reason and facts is the foundation of science, not liberal love.

Mutilating children is not love. It's hate.

Also, no significant number are "coming back", no matter how many rainbow flags some big denominations fly.

 

[Finis Fidei]

Generally, the more religious one is, the less educated they are. Those who happen to be both educated and religious such as theologians, are largely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest-victims of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics.

Atheists are every bit as disingenuous as Christians.

Your disingenuousness is going to prevent you from giving me an intellectually honest reply:

Christianity wins over everything, including Atheism, in a free society. Even among intellectuals. But, we don't live in a free society.

The correlation between Atheism and education isn't a result of education, per se. Christianity is banned in schools. You can't teach about the Creation without giving credit to the Creator without teaching a species of Atheism. On top of that, there are many militant, anti-Christian agendas at work in schools. The longer you're exposed to this, the more it effects your thinking. The more conflicted you are with this, the less likely you're going to continue getting an education.

Many occupations of the highly educated politically forbid Christian thinking, starting with those school teachers and professors. So, conformity to Atheism is valuable for career protection.

If you want to see real cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics, watch an Atheism try to refute pro-God arguments. Take Pascal's Wager: An Atheist might propose that God might want to punish people who believe in him. Really, so the Atheist wants me to refute something he doesn't believe?

 

[Skovand]

Given that there are denominations are neutral with, or event favor, your concept of science, so I see anyone leaving Christianity over science. Christians are very comfortable imposing their beliefs upon the Bible, so I don't see many people leaving just because the Bible says something different than what they believe.

As I hinted previously, you're confusing the doctrines of your Atheistic religion with science. So, it's not a case that you have legitimate scientific objections to the Bible. Your own phrase "liberal love driven science" has demolished your case. Cold reason and facts is the foundation of science, not liberal love.

Mutilating children is not love. It's hate.

Also, no significant number are "coming back", no matter how many rainbow flags some big denominations fly.

If you ever learn to read you’ll know I’m not an atheist I don’t see a need to repeat myself. Google could be a tool if you learn to utilize it. Also it’s not my concept of science. It’s just science.

 

[Finis Fidei]

If you ever learn to read you’ll know I’m not an atheist I don’t see a need to repeat myself. Google could be a tool if you learn to utilize it. Also it’s not my concept of science. It’s just science.

I know you're not an Atheist. You're a liberal Christian who confuses leftwing values with science. Or, rather, claiming to follow science is a lie liberals tell themselves to pretend to have authority for their beliefs. However, you take the lie to a whole new level when you said, "liberal love driven science."

 

[MA2444]

If you ever learn to read you’ll know I’m not an atheist I don’t see a need to repeat myself. Google could be a tool if you learn to utilize it. Also it’s not my concept of science. It’s just science.

I use Google sometimes. But imagine this young one, when we went to school there wasnt any Google! We were required to actually learn things! Because we did that, it makes it easier for us to recognize and reject BS when we see it or hear it.

There's more to life than what google says bro.

 

[Skovand]

I know you're not an Atheist. You're a liberal Christian who confuses leftwing values with science. Or, rather, claiming to follow science is a lie liberals tell themselves to pretend to have authority for their beliefs. However, you take the lie to a whole new level when you said, "liberal love driven science."

Leftwing values confused for science? That does not even make sense. Pick up a book. Liberalism is unrelated to understanding science. It’s just a coincidence conservatives never understand it. Though not really a coincidence, more of a byproduct of the culture.

But instead of telling you what you can’t understand how about this.

Tell me one thing that is fake news…. I mean liberal fake science?

 

[quietthinker]

I use Google sometimes. But imagine this young one, when we went to school there wasnt any Google! We were required to actually learn things! Because we did that, it makes it easier for us to recognize and reject BS when we see it or hear it.

There's more to life than what google says bro.

I'm always googling....at something!
I hope checking the girls out qualifies!

 

[MA2444]

I'm always googling....at something!
I hope checking the girls out qualifies!

That's pretty funny, I like it! Just, be careful.

Do you know what's even faster than google? A relationship with the Lord Jesus. I just read this this morning already.

1 Corinthians 2:10-16
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ..../KJV

There it is right there. You see, if one absolutely saturates themself in the word of God and prayer, an absurd amount of time, you get saturated thru and thru, you have so much of the word of God God in you and flowing into you that it's what you think about and what you wind up meditating on to the point that it fills up your heart and writes it in there and all of the iniquity that is in your heart gets purged out and the cup of your heart overflows with the word of God and displaces the iniquity....and a wonderful thing happens....(Romans 12:2). And you get a renewing of your mind and thereby transformed into a Warrior for the Lord Jesus! A, super-Jesus Freak if you will!

And the Lord approaches you (in spirit) and says this is what you must do...and you will hear it. You develop a relationship with the Lord. And I guess you could say that, you get a Spiritual Google! You have begun to be sensitive to the awareness of the presence of God and you do hear His still small voice inside of you. You can speak to the Lord inside your head! It's like wearing an earpiece and you're getting instructions and warnings from HQ. You get so close to the Lord that He knows you can hear Him so He warns you when you walk into a bad circumstance and you don't have a clue yet! He says hey, watch out for that girl, (LOL) or that guy da da da. v16 says we have the mind of Christ. I can attest to this being the truth. (Ask me how I know, lol! Whoa. It's a very long story!)

Spiritual Google. Ma's Google wont tap you on the shoulder and say, hey get rid of that girl because she is no good for you....!!! Truth!

Those people who use man's Google too much never really learn on their own and have a hard time sorting it out and get confused (v14). It's all there and it works as fast as intuition does, or a conversation. Cultivate Relationship thru a saturation of your mind and heart with the word of God. And suddenly and the word was alive and so spoke!

 

[quietthinker]

@MA2444

you mean you don't notice pretty girls?

 

[MA2444]

@MA2444

you mean you don't notice pretty girls?

It's hard not to sometimes. But the last one I dated tried to play me, and she was 60 years old! I thought older ladies didn't bring drama but I guess I was wrong!

There was a couple times I asked the Lord to protect my eyes when I go to the grocery story. That worked great.