Hi again
@Taken ....you say here......can you explain what being Born Of God means , when you refer to Jesus....I think I understand your meaning, just need clarification.
Let me back up a bit…going to billet point..in brief..
Seeds…God HAS…God IS.
Seeds…God has spread across dirt of earth.
Seed…plants, herbs, trees..reproduce same.
Seed…man sperm…reproduce same.
Seeds…male fertilizes female reproduces same KIND of thing.
God gives to every BODY it’s own Seeds.
God is the CREATOR…and MAKER..
God CREATES…His desire.
MAKING…changes “something” about the Created “thing’.
God Created by FORMING from dust OF the earth…A thing He called A Man.
Then God MADE something about that man.
Head of man, Created with 7 holes…
2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 nostrils, 1 mouth.
Created…they do nothing.
Made…they (via receiving a soul from God) can now; see, hear, smell, taste, utter sound, and the body, can feel touch.
ALL, the things, that allows that manKIND of thing, TO COMMUNICATE….learn, knowledge…relate…ability to understand.
Created…AND…Made.
The body…has a cells, brain, system of nerves, structure of bones, system to eat, from it own habitat to receive elements, minerals from the earth, plants, animals, for the body to maintain its life.
Created Body’s Life…BLOOD…pumps blood, feeding the body’s organs, systems, nutrients, minerals, oxygen, etc. maintaining its life.
Made Body’s Life….SOUL…Gods Breath…communication.
Created Brain, Mind, has thoughts, from it’s communication abilities, learning, thoughts, opinions from experiences, likes, dislikes, etc.
Heart…the organ that keeps the BLOOD “life” of the Body…maintained, pumping, circulating, feeding the body nutrients.
Heart …”ALSO has thoughts”…..
These THOUGHTS, “ARE” the spirit of man.
** Meaning…Carnal (natural) Mind…receives knowledge…weighs that knowledge, believes this rejects that, tomorrow gets more knowledge, changes beliefs, weighs this, accepts what he rejected, rejects what he accepted….that occurs over and over and over…called deducing between options of this OR that…LOGICAL conclusions…and CAN and DOES change…ie. Changed my MIND..
Remembering…man does NOT know ALL things….it is an ongoing process….and why ALL MEN ARE LIARS….declaring this Belief TODAY…and rejects that Belief TOMORROW.
Frustrating, eh.
AND also WHY…manKind is instructed, taught…to KEEP learning…age irrelevant.
(And Also WHY…it is Secularly impressed…go to school, go to college, learn a craft…and bingo…you can stop learning now…Just go to work…and let the boss do ALL your thinking FOR you…) Whew…finally have learned all I need to know…only need to get the rules and DO AS TOLD. <—- COMMON secular…and dastardly results.
Missing element…Focus on Thoughts in the mans natural spirit IN HIS “HEARTS” thoughts…. Reality….thoughts in a mans “HEART” have, are, secularly encourage, promoted, accepted….AS…the same AS the thoughts IN the Carnal Mind…wishy washing, constantly “changing”…
Thought in a mans “spirit” in his Heart…ARE SUPPOSED to be his solid LASTING “TRUE” beliefs…LOVE…and the true solid basis for ANY meaningful relationship…..between individual and parents, siblings, relatives, friends, and with greater importance…a MATE….and with ultimate importance a RELATIONSHIP WITH God.
Open Eyes…Ears…secular relationships…kids lie to parents, are jealous of siblings / friends, backstab, undermine, chose “mates”, based on the other’s popularity, status, wealth, cool car, job, bodily looks, drugs influence, momentarily fun, sex, etc. etc…..And when ONE of those things collapse …. The search is on to fulfill that void, and repeat the shallow process.
Secular encouragement, avenues to take…separate parents / kids, friends, husbands and wives…etc. yeah…”good secular choices”….
( And to note…”some” religious organizations…regarding husbands and wives who were together, even have children, who did separate…did divorce…created an underminded “clause” to delcared…ignore the divorce and declared the marriage “annulled”….)
Point being…having a RELATIONSHIP with God…(who IS Spirit)…is expressly about having a relationship with God that IS SPIRITUAL…meaning Gods interest is IN what your “natural spirit IN Your Heart…your TRUTH believes….AND is (freely, without force or cohersion) willing to CONFESS with their own words…TO the Jesus, To God, To Christ, their true Belief IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ…whatever, whichever….their natural spirit IN their own heart Literally Believes..
Some BELIEVE IN God ONLY, others Believe IN God and Jesus, others Believe IN God, In Jesus, In Jesus IS the Christ….and whatever they CONFESS….IS their “natural spirits” CONFESSION of their TRUTH…
And According to their natural spirit CONFESSION, God, Jesus, Christ…responds accordingly.
Those WHO believe IN God ONLY…AND continue that Belief, until their BODY DIes…
God SHALL “THEN” Save their SOUL…their body shall return to dust….Their living soul shall depart their Body, and that soul RISE up to heaven…and WAIT in peace and comfort,
For “the day of Judgement”…. Their body’s SHALL be Raised UP (changed) during the First Resurrection.
For those WHO believe IN God, Believe Jesus IS the Son of God, Believe Jesus bodily died and was bodily raise up back to Living…ALSO who continue believing that to the Day of their own Bodily Death…On the day their body dies…THEN does God save their soul, their dead body returns to the earth, their living soul departs their dead body and rises up to heaven to wait in peace and comfort for judgement day. Their body’s shall be raised up (changed) during the First Resurrection.
For those WHO, believe in their natural spirit (in their heart), IN God, IN Jesus….
AND IN Jesus IS the Christ….
AND then CONFESS their spirits Believe…
TO. Christ the Lord….
**“He” exercises “His” authority and power…
**“TO”….forgives that man for having HAD NOT believed…
**”His Spirit enters that mans forgiven spirit, and circumcises (cuts off the OLD secular thoughts of that mans beliefs that were negative against the Lord God.)
** He plants Gods “SEED” in that mans “anew” circumcised heart / spirit.
**His SEED re-births the mans natural spirit, into a Spiritual spirit, (that can NEVER die).
** His SPIRIT…ie Spirit of Truth, dwells IN that mans new spirit, FEEDING that mans spirit…Gods TRUTHS, regarding Spiritual things.
** His SPIRIT…”LIGHT”…within covers ALL “forgiven darkness, sin, to no more remembered by the Lord God.
**“TO” save that individuals “SOUL” at THAT MOMENT…AND quicken His SPIRIT…at THAT moment…
** “THIS individual’s … spirit IS reborn, soul IS saved…..BECAUSE….during his CONFESSION….”his LIVING BODY” was “ACCOUNTED IN Gods RECORDS…”AS DEAD”, being…”CRUCIFIED WITH JESUS”…
****WHY is THAT ^^ Important?
****BECAUSE…..A Human Body MUST DIE, before IT “IS PREPARED” to receive it’s soul salvation, it’s spirit reborn, it’s Body “reserved” to be RISEN UP glorified.
****SINCE….God “approved” the CONFESSION from a man natural spirit TO Gods Spirit….AND “approved” and “OFFERED men”…..a bodily agreed Crucifixion “with” Jesus’ BODY…..that mans body is ACCOUNTED DEAD, satisfying, the REQUIREMENT of mans Appointment of a ONE TIME Bodily death…
**** SO
what…body does such a man with his save living soul, and quickened spirit….
NOW EXIST IN?
Answer…Jesus’ body crucified.
Answer…Jesus’ body risen with Christ in Him.
Answer…Mans body crucified with Jesus Body…
Answer…Mans body risen IN Christ’s Body.
Answer…Man IS occupying Jesus’ BODY with Christ IN Jesus Body….aka such man is called …IN Christ.
Answer…that man IS MAKE accounted WHOLE….saved soul, born again spirit, occupying a Body that has been raised from the Dead, occupying a body that has the Spirit of God IN IT.
Called a living sacrifice.
Called a member of Christ’s church
Called converted IN Christ.
Called WHOLE.
Called Born again.
Called Sav-ED
Called Sanctifi-ED
Called Justifi-ED
Called Prepar-ED
Not appointed to wrath.
Shall be raised Up BY the command of Christ Jesus to meet the Lord in the air…Before tribulations and wrath is SENT down from Heaven….Called the Rapture.
Jesus….the word of God.
Christ….the power and Seed of God.
There Are Differences in what men believe…
There Are Differences in what and IF men confess.
There Are Differences in their Consequences for what men freely choose.
Point is the individual who is ALREADY accomplish-ED…Has zero purpose or requirement to participate or be present in God causing the end of day tribulations and wrath send down from Heaven…
People can read that, study that, and decide for themselves WHICH option they believe and Commit to…or not.
Glory to God,
Taken
If I don’t understand it, then I will post what I believe it to mean....not saying what I believe is true, just my thoughts.
You also say, those Born Of God, have his Spirit in them, where in them do they have the Spirit of God?
Plus how would we know that we have been Born Of God?
Hope I’m on topic, if not , I think I will start a question thread, where we can all ask questions about the written word....do you think that is a good idea?
There we can all voice our opinions/ beliefs?
