Coronavirus spreading

[Yehren]

My two cents, I find it odd how Lysol wipes are supposed to kill the virus, yet they allegedly have no vaccine for it.

Lysol destroys organic molecules like proteins and DNA. And that's all viruses are. So it works fine. Soap, BTW, generally doesn't destroy viruses; it just washes them off your hands.

On the other hand, a vaccine is a lot more complex. It's attenuated (weakened) or killed virus particles that when injected into one's body, will stimulate your immune system to become effective against the actual virus. That's a tough thing, particularly against some viruses like HIV, which don't have readily reachable points for the antibodies to attach and initiate an immune response.

Vaccines and immune response are a lot more complicated than the very basic outline I've shown you here. If you'd like to learn more about it, there are places to look:

Maybe its just me, but that makes no sense, doesn't add up at all.

It's perfectly reasonable. And not all viruses are easy to make effective vaccines for.

It makes me suspicious actually. Either they are hyping up the virus to make it seem more dangerous than it really is for some reason, or they are trying to downplay just how dangerous it truly is because this is in fact a weaponized version of the virus they set loose that they have no vaccine for, either by mistake or not. If its the latter, then Lysol wipes won't do a damn thing, and I tend to not believe in "mistakes" of this magnitude.

And now you realize why it's the way it is. No fiendishly clever bad guys; just the way immunity works.

 

[Giuliano]

Trump seems shy about his relationship with Putin. He's not going to visit Putin to help celebrate Victory Day.

Trump not going to Moscow for Victory Day

President Trump will not be visiting Moscow for Victory Day celebrations, the nation’s most important holiday.

Trump declined the Kremlin’s invitation to attend the celebrations on the 75th anniversary of World War II victory in May.

“Via diplomatic channels, we have received information that the (U.S.) president will not be coming,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Tuesday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with the state-run Tass news agency that it would be “a mistake” for world leaders to skip the celebrations.

“I think that, concerning former members of the anti‑Hitler alliance, the right thing to do would be to attend, from both a domestic political stance and a moral one,” Putin said. “We look forward to seeing them, and we will be glad if they come. If not, well, that’s their choice. But I think that would be a mistake for them.”

Could it be fear of coronavirus? Surely not, not when he's been close to people who are in quarantine now because they attended CPAC. He might be safer in Moscow than Washington. Goodness, his own acting chief of staff is in quarantine.

By the way, what is all the hush-hush about over who the person who had coronavirus but went to CPAC anyway? Who is this person? It's driving me crazy trying to find out. Reporters and other people want to know too. Why have only important Republicans been told that they were in contact with him? Why about hotel workers, restaurant workers, taxi drivers, reporters and everyone else? Don't they deserve to know who he is? It's typical though of this administration to hide this kind of information. I don't think it inspires much trust in the government to make some things so secret.

 

[Brakelite]

Some strains of influenza are more dangerous with way more fatalities than covid 19. So why so little fuss over the flu?

 

[Bobby Jo]

... I ... wonder if there is a hidden agenda behind the coronavirus fear factor. :

Certainly the Democrats would like to make this look like WWIII. They've tried every other lie available and failed ...

:)
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

My two cents, I find it odd how Lysol wipes are supposed to kill the virus, yet they allegedly have no vaccine for it. ...

Drink Lysol?

Please avoid practicing MEDICINE!
Bobby Jo

 

[Yehren]

Some strains of influenza are more dangerous with day more fatalities than covid 19.

Well, let's take a look...

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu.

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%.
How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science

The Spanish influenza pandemic after WWI, had death rates of maybe 3%. That one killed tens of millions of people. Most influenza strains have mortality rates around 0.1%, less than a tenth of the COVID-19 virus.

So why so little fuss over the flu?

This virus is about ten times as deadly as the flu. Probably that.

 

[Giuliano]

Certainly the Democrats would like to make this look like WWIII. They've tried every other lie available and failed ...

:)
Bobby Jo

Oh, blame Israel too. They're making anyone entering Israel go into quarantine for two weeks. This is obviously mean to embarrass Donald Trump, right?

Two-week isolation ordered for all who enter Israel

All people entering Israel from abroad will be required to spend 14 days in home isolation, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday. The measure became effective at 8 p.m. Monday night.

“After a day of complex discussions, we have made a decision: Whoever arrives in Israel from abroad will enter quarantine for 14 days,” Netanyahu said in a video statement Monday as 50 Israelis were diagnosed with coronavirus. “This is a difficult decision but it is essential to maintaining public health, which takes precedence over everything.

Blame Italy too. If you read the news from other countries, you see people around the world are talking about it. Should we believe the whole world is out to get Donald Trump?

They're wondering in Mexico why they have so few cases reported. Obviously a tactic meant to scare people about Donald Trump, right?

Doctor questions why so few cases of coronavirus reported in Mexico

A Mexico City infectious disease specialist has asserted that “there must be many more cases” of the novel coronavirus known as Covid-19 in Mexico than the seven reported to date.

Francisco Moreno Sánchez, head of internal medicine at the ABC hospital, described the situation as “very worrying” because people infected with the virus without knowing it will unwittingly spread it to others.

Maybe Mexico should build their own wall now to keep Americans out. . . .

 

[Josho]

It's a lot more serious than Trump thought it was. Instead of being a "hoax" as Trump said, it's now killing Americans.



They reported mortality rates somewhere between 1 and 3 percent. If you think the bubonic plague was like that, you need to do a little reading up.



The Spanish Flu that went pandemic after WWI had a mortality rate of about 2-3 percent, about 20 to 30 times more virulent than ordinary flu, and a bit higher than the coronavirus so far.
Spanish flu - Wikipedia

The Trump agenda is to somehow spin the facts to keep people from avoiding large gatherings and such. That's going to hurt the economy. But he has no one but himself to blame; he cut budgets for agencies that are tasked with controlling these outbreaks, and delayed action too long, trying to deal with it as a P.R. problem.

Now it's not "contained" as his spokesmen were insisting, but it's out there killing. It's hard to say how many; I'd be surprised if tens of thousands of people died in the United States, but the fact is, we really don't know. All we can say, is delaying action is going to increase the number of people who die.

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, falsely claimed on Friday that the coronavirus "is contained" in the US. Another senior Trump official, counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, made a similar though slightly less definitive claim, saying that the virus "is being contained."

Facts First: Experts say the US has not come close to containing the coronavirus. They also say the small number of tests conducted in the United States so far has prevented the government from getting an accurate picture of how widespread the virus truly is.
"In the US it is the opposite of contained," said Harvard University epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch, director of Harvard's Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics. "It is spreading so efficiently in so many places that it may be difficult to stop."
Fact check: White House falsely claims the coronavirus has been 'contained' in the US - CNNPolitics

Well it's definitely serious if you ask the Italians, Iranians, Koreans, French, Chinese, in those countries plenty of people have died from just the coronavirus. This is why certain measures need to be taken to reduce the impact of the virus, like avoiding crowded places.

 

[Dcopymope]

Drink Lysol?

Please avoid practicing MEDICINE!
Bobby Jo

...Come on, you know what I meant. They are telling us we should wipe everything down with Lysol wipes since it kills the virus.........but they don't have vaccines for it. Someone is trying to sell us on a bill of goods. They are lying about something, and now they are trying to blame the panic on a possible economic collapse, or a "recession".

 

[Giuliano]

...Come on, you know what I meant. They are telling us we should wipe everything down with Lysol wipes since it kills the virus.........but they don't have vaccines for it. Someone is trying to sell us on a bill of goods. They are lying about something, and now they are trying to blame the panic on a possible economic collapse, or a "recession".

If you ingested Lysol, it would kill the viruses it contacted but it would also kill you.

 

[Dcopymope]

Lysol destroys organic molecules like proteins and DNA. And that's all viruses are. So it works fine. Soap, BTW, generally doesn't destroy viruses; it just washes them off your hands.

On the other hand, a vaccine is a lot more complex. It's attenuated (weakened) or killed virus particles that when injected into one's body, will stimulate your immune system to become effective against the actual virus. That's a tough thing, particularly against some viruses like HIV, which don't have readily reachable points for the antibodies to attach and initiate an immune response.

Vaccines and immune response are a lot more complicated than the very basic outline I've shown you here. If you'd like to learn more about it, there are places to look:

It's perfectly reasonable. And not all viruses are easy to make effective vaccines for.



And now you realize why it's the way it is. No fiendishly clever bad guys; just the way immunity works.

I'm well aware of the complexities of vaccine production. However, this is no excuse in light of the fact that we've known about the virus since at least the sixties. We are told to believe they have made absolutely no meaningful progress on vaccinations since.

 

[reformed1689]

Corona Virus 4000+ deaths
FLU 20,000+ deaths.

Why is everyone only screaming about Covid-19?

 

[mailmandan]

The Black Death, also known as the Pestilence, Great Bubonic Plague, the Great Plague or the Plague, or less commonly the Black Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.[1][2][3] The bacterium Yersinia pestis, which results in several forms of plague (septicemic, pneumonic and, the most common, bubonic), is believed to have been the cause.[4] The Black Death was the first major European outbreak of plague and the second plague pandemic.[5] The plague created a number of religious, social and economic upheavals, with profound effects on the course of European history.

The Black Death probably originated in Central Asia or East Asia,[6][7][8][9][10] from where it travelled along the Silk Road, reaching Crimea by 1343.[11] From there, it was most likely carried by fleas living on the black rats that traveled on Genoese merchant ships, spreading throughout the Mediterranean Basin, reaching the rest of Europe via the Italian peninsula.

The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population.[12] In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 475 million to 350–375 million in the 14th century.[13] It took 200 years for Europe’s population to recover to its previous level[14] and some regions like Florence only recovered by the 19th century.[15][16][17] The plague recurred as outbreaks until the early 20th century. - Black Death - Wikipedia

Sounds very devastating! If the coronavirus was as fatal as the black plague, God help us all!

 

[mailmandan]

Corona Virus 4000+ deaths
FLU 20,000+ deaths.

Why is everyone only screaming about Covid-19?

I've been asking the same question. Must be an agenda. :

 

[Yehren]

I'm well aware of the complexities of vaccine production.

It seemed odd, even comparing the issue of disinfectants with a highly complex issue like vaccine development. One of the reasons people were laughing at Trump, was that he promised a vaccine very soon. Even the general public knows that isn't a possibility.

However, this is no excuse in light of the fact that we've known about the virus since at least the sixties.

No. This evolved a very short time ago. Vaccines are usually ineffective unless they closely match the pathogen. Why do you think that flu vaccines are different every year? And sometimes a new strain is not controlled by the vaccine.

We are told to believe they have made absolutely no meaningful progress on vaccinations since.

If you think so, you haven't been reading much of the literature. But the Red Queen still rules; it's an arms race between evolving viruses and vaccine technology.
Red Queen hypothesis - Wikipedia

 

[Yehren]

Corona Virus 4000+ deaths
FLU 20,000+ deaths.

Why is everyone only screaming about Covid-19?

I suppose it's because the mortality rate of Covid-19 is roughly ten times the mortality rate of influenza. That concerns people, it seems.

Come on, you know what I meant. They are telling us we should wipe everything down with Lysol wipes since it kills the virus.........but they don't have vaccines for it.

Do you understand how vaccines work, compared to the way disinfectants work? Why would you think they were in any way equivalent?

Someone is trying to sell us on a bill of goods. They are lying about something,

Yes, but when he called it a "hoax", Americans realized he was lying. No one with any sense believed him. Trump continues to think that he can solve this crisis by telling lies; it's not going to work. He and his people tell us that the virus has been "contained", but the growing numbers of ill and dying people contradict them.

Trump disarmed our public health organization,cutting budgets and attempting to cover up the crisis until it was too late. Now we're dealing with the results. Hopefully, he learned from it.

 

[Justadude]

The contrast in this thread between those posting fact-based information from reliable sources, versus those posting wild-eyed conspiracy theories that are based on nothing is just amazing. To me, it illustrates the fundamental differences between faith-based thinking and fact-based thinking.

 

[Base12]

Some strains of influenza are more dangerous with way more fatalities than covid 19. So why so little fuss over the flu?

It's not the flu.

There have been many prominent Biologists over the last several months that have stated it's a Bio-weapon that either escaped or was intentionally released.

I've tried warning folks here for many weeks about this to no avail it would seem.

 

[Justadude]

 

[Base12]

BREAKING NEWS!

"World Health Organization Declares Global Pandemic"

WHO declares coronavirus global 'pandemic'