Coronavirus spreading

[Justadude]

Could it be because of his resorts? Or is he trying to cause more problems between the UK and the EU?

Since Trump gave no justification for exempting the UK, we can only wonder.

What is strange is the British government is also being criticized for its inadequate response. The British response may be worse than the American.

Number of British people being tested for coronavirus falls amid growing anger at government response

Numbers taken from the official government website, and assembled by the Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England, show the numbers of people being tested is yet to increase as the virus spreads.

That is despite the fact that almost every day over the last week has seen an unprecedented rise in the number of people actually testing positive for COVID-19.

John Ashton, the former regional director of Public Health England, has said the lack of testing could help the disease spread more quickly.

“I’m tearing my hair out really, with this," he told Newsnight.

“I want to know why we are not testing, why we haven’t tested those people coming back from Italy and who are now amongst us. We’ve got a recipe for community spread here."

If Ashton is right, it seems pointless to forbid travel from the EU and not the UK. I think maybe Trump is having a "nervous breakdown."

He's also recently been around people with the virus (CPAC, the Brazilian official).

I'm also wondering if the virus is going to hit the evangelical community particularly hard, given their age, mistrust of science, and gullibility. We've got pastors and other figures saying only pansies would cancel church services, Jesus will protect them from the virus, their silver solution is a cure, they can cure people through the TV, God wouldn't ever let the virus spread via communion, etc.

All that together is a recipe for disaster.

 

[reformed1689]

If you don't believe what the director of the CDC told a Congressional committee, you don't. It was reported in more than one place. It's a matter of public record.

CDC's Redfield: 4,856 people tested for coronavirus in U.S. public health labs

Around 4,900 people had been tested for coronavirus in U.S. public health labs as of Monday, Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a congressional hearing on Tuesday.

That number does not include Americans who have been tested in clinical or private labs, he said.

Redfield said that as of Monday, private companies Laboratory Corp of America and Quest Diagnostics have enough coronavirus tests available that any U.S. doctor’s office who uses those companies can have their patients tested.

Up until Monday few tests were done by private companies. The number would be higher than 4,900 but not much.

Some Republicans in Congress are getting fed up too. I'll cite the conservative National Review.

GOP Lawmakers Express Frustration with President Trump, C.D.C. over Coronavirus Testing Capabilities | National Review

Senator James Lankford (R., Ok.) on Thursday said President Trump “should stop saying” that anyone who wants to be tested for the Wuhan coronavirus can get tested.

“That is not accurate right now,” Lankford told CNN. “People should stop saying if you want a test, you should get a test right now. That’s not here at this point”. . . .

“We have a serious deficiency in being prepared for testing,” Senator Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.) said. “South Korea, for example, is doing a better job. We not only need a better system for later. We need a better system for now, and we’re going to focus on that as rapidly as we can.”

Between this fiasco and Trump's threatened veto of the bill passed by both the House and Senate to stop him taking more action against Iran, I think some Republicans are really getting tired of trying to pretend Trump is sane.

No, the conjecture is that it is a dismal number. Dismal based on what?

 

[Giuliano]

No, the conjecture is that it is a dismal number. Dismal based on what?

Dismal compared to how South Korea got things done.

 

[Earburner]

I can't believe you wrote that. What about people who have it but aren't tested? Would you say it doesn't matter if you are around contagious people because "only positive tests matter"? Some people may have mild cases but can still infect others.

I read Tom Hanks and his wife caught it in Australia. Their son says neither of them are severely sick. That's good; but it's also good they got tested. Now they can avoid giving to other people; and if they start to feel worse, doctors would know what was going on.

The real problem will be when they do find a vaccine! Since the *Wuhan virus has now been called a pandemic by the UN- World Health Org., what will be the severity of the pandemic, if they don't come up with a vaccine in 6 mos. or a year?

Will it then be in every country running rampant?
If so, then what economic havoc will it causin from the results of it, since some countries are now closing off their borders to specific people?

Do you not see where this is headed?
Will people, who have been inocculated (as a Scorpion sting), be required to be "identified", so that they can participate in the world economy of
"buying and selling"?

Yes, the *Wuhan virus could very well be the beginning of a serious situation, but could it also be an opportunity for a "dry run" of something to come, that will be 10 times more deadly?

*Note: I prefer to call the latest pandemic of COVID-19 as the "Wuhan virus", not because it was predicted or prophesied by anyone, but rather it has become an opportunity for use on the world stage, to actually have a real location of origin,...Wuhan, China.
Now, isn't that odd?
Well, lets see how odd it really is!

A book written by Dean Koontz in 1981 tells of a fictional story involving a bio-weapon that was released from Wuhan, China. The title of the book is: "The Eyes of Darkness".
Dean Koontz's 1981 thriller about a deadly virus from Wuhan is now a bestseller | Daily Mail Online

BTW, has anyone here seen any of "The Simpsons" cartoon shows/episodes, that "foretell" certain events to come to pass, and then they do?
Hmmm... sheer coincidence also?
Hardly!

 

[69chapels]

Coronavirus Fake Volume 2 (history)

(cruise ships were directed to canada for covid-19, with by products from endangered species (whale byproducts/sperm whale) (real)

Although not the most intimidating title, Sazae Oni are turban snails that haunt the seven seas, often taking the form of beautiful women to lure seamen into trouble. The shapeshifters pretend to be drowning, and turn on their rescuers once they are 'saved'. Sometimes the Sazae Oni can appear to innkeepers or children by a river. There is one legend of a Sazae Oni who was "rescued" by pirates, who did not recognize her as a demon. After the pirates raped her that night, she bit off each of their testicles one by one, demanding gold for their "kintama" or "golden balls". vice.com/en_us/article/qkgq57/the-cunning-female-demons-and-ghosts-of-ancient-japan

(sperm whale research into "covid-19" originated during the cambodia genocide, surrounding the events of Nguyen Van Lem...............it looks like, russia/japan/canada, maybe others, have solutions the usa is not engaged in because of policies from the federal drug and food administration)

(right now, no whistle blower has come forward with intimate details as to what is necessary, and that, has to be someone other than me)

 

[Yehren]

So he had to backtrack and immediately after, get someone to clean up after him, saying that he's not going to ban shipments of goods from Europe. And he criticized Europe's handling of the crisis, without realizing that Italy did just what he proposed to do here. A lot of good that did Italy.

It's time to for him to step aside and let someone who knows what he's doing, handle the pandemic.

 

[Justadude]

So he had to backtrack and immediately after, get someone to clean up after him, saying that he's not going to ban shipments of goods from Europe. And he criticized Europe's handling of the crisis, without realizing that Italy did just what he proposed to do here. A lot of good that did Italy.

It's time to for him to step aside and let someone who knows what he's doing, handle the pandemic.

His address last night had the opposite effect they intended. It spooked markets further, insulted our European allies, and confused the American public.

So I think you're right. Someone else needs to be in charge. But given his ego, I doubt that's going to happen. We're stuck with him.

 

[Yehren]

tried to find your quote mentioning your back ground in immunity. Heard ten were treated with plasma from recovered patients. Is that a possibility? Plasma?

It's possible. Snake antivenom is prepared from the plasma of people who have survived bites by the specific kind of snake. What happens is that a certain type of blood cell recognizes a molecule as "not-self." This signals the body to produce white blood cells that will home in on that particular substance. If it's on the surface of a virus particle or microbe, some cells will produce antibodies, molecules that grab onto the target and inactivate it or damage it. Some can signal a system called "complement" that will connect to the antibody, and disrupt cell membranes of the microbe. Some signal phagocytes to engulf and destroy the intruder, or in the case of the snake venom, tie it up with the antibody, so that it no longer works as a poison.

All this takes time, which is why we have vaccines. They include parts of the microbe, or sometimes a live virus that has been attenuated, making it harmless to most people. After that exposure,the body will "remember" the antigens involved, and quickly ramp up a defense if they are ecountered again.

A person who has recently recovered from a particular virus will have a lot of antibodies specifically for that virus in their plasma. So it can help. This used to be one way people were treated to prevent rabies after being bitten by a rabid animal. I don't know if that's still done, or not.

Apparently, it is:

Lancet. 1990 Apr 14;335(8694):896-8.
Postexposure prophylaxis for rabies with antiserum and intradermal vaccination.
Chutivongse S1, Wilde H, Supich C, Baer GM, Fishbein DB.
...Purified equine or human rabies immuno-globulin was also given on day 0 to patients with severe exposures. As much of the immunoglobulin as possible was infiltrated around the wounds. All patients were followed for 1 year post exposure. There were no deaths; the efficacy of the regimen was 100%. Antibody titre determination in a randomly selected subgroup showed seroconversion in all 10 patients.

 

[reformed1689]

Dismal compared to how South Korea got things done.

How so? How are those number of tests dismal to how SK got things done? Be specific please.

 

[Josho]

Canadian PM Justin Trudeau's wife tested positive for Coronavirus, recently Australian Home affairs minister Peter Dutton also tested positive, with all the cabinet members being close to Peter Dutton on Tuesday, they possibly may have to self isolate, including the Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

 

[69chapels]

Coronavirus (Whale byproducts Mixed in Beverage) (question mark - pulled from market)

Pepsi Café isn't Pepsi's first hybrid cola-coffee drink -- it tested a similar product, Pepsi Kona, in Philadelphia back in 1996. Pepsi Kona was discontinued a year later, and the company admits that Kona was "ahead of its time."
fool.com/investing/2019/12/20/pepsico-follows-coca-cola-into-the-hybrid-coffee-m.aspxnued a year later, and the company admits that Kona was "ahead of its time."
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(maybe a protein inhibitor or some other enzyme in the whale fats, which coincidentally, is, very good with caffeine the way that works in the digestive system)

(there was a controversy around the time that product was pulled from the market involving shark and other large sea mammals..............only thing probably close to that for the average consumer (believe me, i'm the last person to cater to the class system foolishness, but there simply isn't much done on the subject)...............would be the "sword fish" you can still find the "fins" attached in some stores, not that hard to find)

(hundreds of years ago, so not very long ago on the timescale, things like tobacco, caffeine, animal tails, and including human flesh, would be used in tonics .................)

(the pig is important............the whale is probably more important..............)

(uncleanness, going against the bodies constructs and consciousness, not that hard to gauge but, a virus is not the cause, so immediately you have created a problem, and your behavior right now, is going to make things worse, because you are not keeping people active, so their behaviors should make things worse for them................anyway................its good to continue as things are, its a dieoff after all)

(if you want to know a secret about the coronavirus)

(its good to see those unclean genetic lines die, as the change ramps up into the sudden deaths of millions .............. there is no spirituality no cleanliness also, that means they are like animals not people, and that is why they die off like that ................. you are engaged in behavior with unclean people that makes thing worse, just letting them live and be around you, can kill you off) (best thing to do is just let nature run its course and turn a blind eye to a few hundred/thousand deaths in the mean time, so more of the same)

(but so far)

(what some people decided to do, ignore the problem in many areas and quarantine some isolated places (unfortunately those isolated places with quarantines are full of rich wealthy and very healthy people, so that is a big joke, but that okay, God is not making payment for sin, this fantasy land you live in will be resolved soon)

(china town in the city of philadelphia is just waiting for a very large outbreak, perhaps hurting me is the trigger is it that simple? well, this is a natural course with god a dieoff, hurting me will only give more insights, but its unavoidable for the people that has not legal right to live, its a "quoten" argument, of so many lives as a footprint that is against god's interests, believe me, god is not resolving the "dead flesh" problem, but the interference as we move into god's mercies is not clean with god, so there will be a dieoff)

 

[Giuliano]

How so? How are those number of tests dismal to how SK got things done? Be specific please.

Never mind. I'm bored now.

 

[Giuliano]

Canadian PM Justin Trudeau's wife tested positive for Coronavirus, recently Australian Home affairs minister Peter Dutton also tested positive, with all the cabinet members being close to Peter Dutton on Tuesday, they possibly may have to self isolate, including the Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

I think Trump needs to build a wall on the Canadian border fast. ;)

Do you know if Dutton had traveled to other countries or met with foreign visitors? Have there been any cases of it being caught inside Australia -- or have the cases so far been people catching it when they visit other countries? I'm wondering since it might provide a clue about how the weather may play. If warm weather makes it harder to transmit, Australia may be relatively safe for now and have months to prepare for winter.

 

[Josho]

I think Trump needs to build a wall on the Canadian border fast. ;)

Do you know if Dutton had traveled to other countries or met with foreign visitors? Have there been any cases of it being caught inside Australia -- or have the cases so far been people catching it when they visit other countries? I'm wondering since it might provide a clue about how the weather may play. If warm weather makes it harder to transmit, Australia may be relatively safe for now and have months to prepare for winter.

I'm not too sure, but apparently Trump also had rubbed shoulders with someone who tested positive for Coronavirus recently, I think it may have been the Brazilian ambassador or someone else could be wrong, not sure exactly who, Coronavirus isn't looking too rare now though.

 

[Yehren]

I think Trump needs to build a wall on the Canadian border fast. ;)

I'm slightly surprised he hasn't announced that he's going to build a wall on the Australian border.

 

[reformed1689]

Never mind. I'm bored now.

In other words, you don't have a response.

 

[Justadude]

It's important to remember what's going on with this outbreak. The CDC explained that just about everyone will be exposed to this virus either this year or next. Right now they're mostly trying to limit the rate of infections as to not overwhelm our health care systems. For visually-oriented people, we're trying to go from the red curve to the blue one.

 

[Giuliano]

In other words, you don't have a response.

Nope, you bore me.

 

[reformed1689]

Nope, you bore me.

Why not just answer the question? I obviously don't bore you that much or you wouldn't respond with that. You don't have an answer and we all know it.

 

[Yehren]

It's important to remember what's going on with this outbreak. The CDC explained that just about everyone will be exposed to this virus either this year or next. Right now they're mostly trying to limit the rate of infections as to not overwhelm our health care systems. For visually-oriented people, we're trying to go from the red curve to the blue one.

Yep. Flatten the curve. That's good epidemiology. This is why it's so stupid to put politicians in charge of dealing with this pandemic. They don't have any idea how to do that.