Claimed prophetic fulfillment seems highly questionable. - Were they acquired rather than intended?

[VictoryinJesus]

I think @Wick Stick kind of has a grasp on this when he mentioned "patterns".

Love your encouragement towards @Wick Stick. To me you have a hand also in this helpful thought he shares below, by your voicing him as helpful and encouraging …and then @Wick Stick shares this thought below with us.

Bear with me for a minute as I develop a thought -

The Biblical idea of the soul/spirit living in the body is rooted in the idea of water/air being held in a container. When a person expresses their thoughts through speaking, they "pour out their soul" or "pour out their spirit." So far so good?

What about when God expresses His thoughts through speaking? A prophet is involved, yes. But it's still a "pouring out." We say that a prophecy is "filled" because what-was-poured-out returns, having caused the thing to happen.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So then I would postulate that when God tells us the future, he isn't predicting, he's producing the effect. The world and everything in it was created by God speaking. It has creative force.

Likewise, when something is fulfilled, that isn't a prediction coming true, that's the work being produced.

You shared “So then I would postulate that when God tells us the future, he isn't predicting, he's producing the effect. The world and everything in it was created by God speaking. It has creative force.

Likewise, when something is fulfilled, that isn't a prediction coming true, that's the work being produced.”

Love the way you shared this. I won’t forget it. Thank you. It’s maybe one of the best post I’ve read on the board while being here. Love how you brought out “producing” and “that’s the work being produced” …it reminds me of that there be fruit.

 

[amadeus]

It's right there in the middle of the oldest book in the Bible...

Deu 18:20-22
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Also @St. SteVen
See here the prophecy of the man of God out of Judah:

"And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee." I Kings 13:2 And then see the fulfillment of that prophecy more than 300 years after the death of the prophet:

2ki 23:15	Moreover the altar that was at Bethel, and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove.
2ki 23:16	And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchres that were there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchres, and burned them upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the LORD which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.
2ki 23:17	Then he said, What title is that that I see? And the men of the city told him, It is the sepulchre of the man of God, which came from Judah, and proclaimed these things that thou hast done against the altar of Bethel.