Honesty? Here's a dose:
Anyone can walk away, but not you.
What is a "sparky post" I've never heard that term. Is is derogatory?
Much love!
Charismatic Bible Studies - 2 Peter 1:5-11
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Anyone can walk away, but not you.
What is a "sparky post" I've never heard that term. Is is derogatory?
Much love!
rebuilder 454
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Too bad you did not understand what I said.
But honestly your " gotcha style" followed by "much love " is kinda silly.
Ahem, love is different than your attitude.
What I am saying is that some are walking way too deep into Jesus to ever depart.
Jesus takes up habitation in every believer.
That place is in the the spirit in a believer.
Paul says there are carnal as well as spiritual believers.
Those walking intimate with Jesus are full of the spirit.
The carnal believers are mental.
No intimacy.
Once Jesus becomes my center, it is impossible to be pulled away from him.
So you don't want to explain?
OK.
I'm used to people not wanting to answer questions.
Much love!
I'm guessing what ever it is you meant, that yes, it was intended to be derogatory, since you decline to elaborate.
Sigh!
I define Christian love as the heartfelt desire for someone's wellbeing in every respect, which I have for you. I honestly desire that you will walk with God in love and fellowship every day of your life, and that this closeness will result in your increased maturity and fruitfulness.
Much love!
Remember . . . pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
If it can happen to others . . . why should you be so certain it can't happen to you? I suggest that is hubris. Me? No, not me!! Never me!! Hm.
Your doctrine makes it up to you to remain saved. Paul calls that "fallen from grace".
However, if we are to accept as fully true passages such as these,
1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
If these passages are actually true as written, then no one who is born again will be later lost. If anyone - 1 single person - who is born again fails to appear with Christ when He appears in glory, then these passages will turn out to be false. For myself, I choose to believe the plain teachings of the Bible. It's not false. It's true. It's the doctrine of a salvation that may be lost, that's what is false.
These passages, and many more, make plain clear statements of the permanence of rebirth, baptism into Christ, reconciliation to God, it's forever.
Many say to me, I only pay attention to the parts I like. Regardless whether that were even true . . . no passage in the Bible, if correctly understood, will contradict any other passage. These in particular are very plainly stated leaving no room for interpretation. One can say, "you have to understand, this will only apply to those who remain saved", or some such. But you can't say that the words mean anything other than what they seem to say, it's that simple.
If you then be risen with Christ . . . you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God . . . when Christ . . . shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him . . .
Now we are sons of God . . . we know when we see Him we will be like Him . . .
And the fact is . . . this is all about us being obedient to God, right? You'll tell me that too much disobedience (including faithlessness) will lead you to walk away, right? We need to be obedient, faithful, and if we do it enough, if we can get it right, we will remain with Him, is that what you teach? And we need to have fear, lest being disobedient, we become once again lost? Please correct me if I'm not understanding your point of view.
But look . . .
1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
He that has this hope in him purifies himself. What hope? The hope - that is, Biblically speaking, a certain expectation because we believe God's promises - it's knowing, we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him.
Knowing this is true, knowing that the time is coming that we will see Him, and seeing Him as He is, we will become like Him, this is our hope. And having this hope, we purify ourselves. What does it do to our faith when we come to understand that Christ in me is my hope of glory, not me doing my best, which will always fall short, and is again, to be fallen from grace.
We do our best, oh yes, but not to gain a salvation already purchased for us by Jesus, but because He has purchased us, and we know that being owned by Him, He will collect His possessions, and do with them what He wants to do. He's told us what that is, it's to make us like Jesus. And no one can tell God what He can and cannot do.
I counsel to trust implicitly in God's promises.
Much love!
1stCenturyLady
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You've shown nothing. What are those in 2 Peter 1:5-7 if not liken to the fruit of the Spirit? The last one is LOVE. You NEVER said, CONSISTENTLY.
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