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As, as I have shown you - Jesus also ate food and drank booze (Matthew 11:18,19).
He just wasn't a glutton or a
drunkard

And I have clearly shown you that the Holy Spirit doesn’t condemn drinking that doesn’t lead to drunkenness (Psalm 10:14-15, 1Tim. 5:23).

I know you’d rather adhere to the insane rants of your goddess, E.G. White – but the Word of God and science prove that the “wine” spoken of in Scripture contained ALCOHOL.

And as I also educated you – grape juice doesn’t remain grape juice for days at a time in a desert region like Israel. It wasn‘t until 1925 when the Welch’s Juice company invented the process of stopping the fermentation process in grape juice.
Unrefrigerated grape juice begins to ferment the minute it is squeezed.

Do your homework, Einstein . .
DB, you blaspheme the Savior by accusing Him of having drunk booze - because I've shown you repeatedly that "new wine" is grape juice, according to "new wine that is in the cluster" which refers to the juice of unfermented grapes hanging on a vine.

Also, Solomon forbids us booze, and recommends it to the "perishing" - which can only refer to the lost.

Also, Jesus wouldn't forbid it in OT then contradict Himself by creating gallons of it in the NT.

Also, there was no Last Supper booze - all fermentation products were expelled from the camp at Passover.

Also, unfermented "wine" for intestinal ailments contains medicinal properties without the alcohol.

You'd think a church that has to set up institutions of recovery for booze addicted nuns and priests would figure all this out, but you guys can't even gain a proper position on the truth of salvation by grace through faith alone, so...
 

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DB, you blaspheme the Savior by accusing Him of having drunk booze - because I've shown you repeatedly that "new wine" is grape juice, according to "new wine that is in the cluster" which refers to the juice of unfermented grapes hanging on a vine.

Also, Solomon forbids us booze, and recommends it to the "perishing" - which can only refer to the lost.

Also, Jesus wouldn't forbid it in OT then contradict Himself by creating gallons of it in the NT.

Also, there was no Last Supper booze - all fermentation products were expelled from the camp at Passover.

Also, unfermented "wine" for intestinal ailments contains medicinal properties without the alcohol.
Wedding celebrations in the first century went on for DAYS and took WEEKS of preparation.
It is
IMPOSSIBLE to keep gallons of “grape juice” in a desert community like Cana and NOT expect it to ferment. -- not matter HOW many of E.G. White's hoops they minke you jump through . . .

And, the chief steward said:
John 2:10

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

WHO would be okay with an inferior grape juice??

You'd think a church that has to set up institutions of recovery for booze addicted nuns and priests would figure all this out, but you guys can't even gain a proper position on the truth of salvation by grace through faith alone, so...
Correction, Einstein . . .

James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
 
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Wedding celebrations in the first century went on for DAYS and took WEEKS of preparation.
It is
IMPOSSIBLE to keep gallons of “grape juice” in a desert community like Cana and NOT expect it to ferment. -- not matter HOW many of E.G. White's hoops they minke you jump through . . .

And, the chief steward said:
John 2:10

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

WHO would be okay with an inferior grape juice??

Correction, Einstein . . .

James 2:24

You see that a person is justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
Christians are justified by faith alone because they are justified by Christ alone. "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just. and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

You don't have a righteousness that God will accept. All of your righteousness stinks like filthy rags, Isaiah 64:6.
 

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Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.
I knew it! More proof you teach works salvation. Man is justified (accounted as righteous) by faith, not works (Romans 4:2-3) and man is justified (shown to be righteous) by works (James 2:21, 24)

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Faith "only" here in James is referring to an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works, as we see in James 2:14. SAYS/CLAIMS to have faith - key word. *Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) Big difference!

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims (key word) they have faith, but they have no works (to evidence their claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So, when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.
 

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Christians are justified by faith alone because they are justified by Christ alone. "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just. and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

You don't have a righteousness that God will accept. All of your righteousness stinks like filthy rags, Isaiah 64:6.
Amen! Christians are justified by faith (rightly understood) "in Christ alone" (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1) and not by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that "remains alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14)
 

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Christians are justified by faith alone because they are justified by Christ alone. "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just. and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

You don't have a righteousness that God will accept. All of your righteousness stinks like filthy rags, Isaiah 64:6.
Sadly, men have taken these terms, like Justification. and made them religious words, which basically have no meaning.

the word justified is a legal term, it means to be declared righteous, Innocent, Righteous.

A person who is declared justified in the court system has been found innocent of what they were accused of. Of if they were guilty. their debt was paid in full,
 
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Sadly, men have taken these terms, like Justification. and made them religious words, which basically have no meaning.

the word justified is a legal term, it means to be declared righteous, Innocent, Righteous.

A person who is declared justified in the court system has been found innocent of what they were accused of. Of if they were guilty. their debt was paid in full,
God is a God of law and justice. Justification is a legal word and is found in the Bible many times.
 
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Christians are justified by faith alone because they are justified by Christ alone.

So HOW to explain away these portions of scripture????

Do you simply ignore them and tell others these are lies found in God's Word?

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

James 1:21,22

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness (walking after the flesh – see Gal 6:7,8), and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.

Sounds like either Jesus is wrong or the so called reformers are wrong since they teach an partial truth and leave the part out about works leaving the door open to sinful living (license to sin).

Martin Luther was a known drunk so I can see how he would want to leave the part about works out so he could continue drinking his beloved booze which is living in sin! (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-13)

Quite the quandary here... who shall we say is in error the Lord or the reformers??? That tis the question!
 

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So HOW to explain away these portions of scripture????

Do you simply ignore them and tell others these are lies found in God's Word?

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

James 1:21,22

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness (walking after the flesh – see Gal 6:7,8), and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.

Sounds like either Jesus is wrong or the so called reformers are wrong since they teach an partial truth and leave the part out about works leaving the door open to sinful living (license to sin).

Martin Luther was a known drunk so I can see how he would want to leave the part about works out so he could continue drinking his beloved booze which is living in sin! (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-13)

Quite the quandary here... who shall we say is in error the Lord or the reformers??? That tis the question!
look at who james spoke to

then also look at romans 4 and determine why Paul and james appear to contridict each other
 

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Christians are justified by faith alone because they are justified by Christ alone. "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just. and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.
The Bible doesn’t teach this fallacy – in the CONTEXT of Scripture.

As I stated before – you have to cherry-pick verses in order to support your invention.
That’s what your Protestant Fathers did some 500 years ago Luther even had to ADD the word “alone” to his German translation of Romans 3:28.

You don't have a righteousness that God will accept. All of your righteousness stinks like filthy rags, Isaiah 64:6.
WHO said anything about that?

The works that GOD HIMSELF prepared for me in advance to complete (Eph. 2:10) ARE pleasing to Him.
Reas the lesson of the Seep and the Goats (Matt. 25:31-46).
 

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So HOW to explain away these portions of scripture????

Do you simply ignore them and tell others these are lies found in God's Word?

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

James 1:21,22

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness (walking after the flesh – see Gal 6:7,8), and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.

Sounds like either Jesus is wrong or the so called reformers are wrong since they teach an partial truth and leave the part out about works leaving the door open to sinful living (license to sin).

Martin Luther was a known drunk so I can see how he would want to leave the part about works out so he could continue drinking his beloved booze which is living in sin! (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-13)

Quite the quandary here... who shall we say is in error the Lord or the reformers??? That tis the question!
The book of James is a problem. Many Christian scholars do not believe that James should have been included in the canons.

James was directed to law keeping Jews, not Gentile Christians James 1:1.

James sent Judaizers to see if Peter and Barnabas were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 2:11-16.

James was the head of the church in Jerusalem. He wanted to circumcise Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-21. Paul and Barnabas convinced him that it was the wrong thing to do.

The book of James is more Jewish than it is Christian.
 

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Wedding celebrations in the first century went on for DAYS and took WEEKS of preparation.
It is
IMPOSSIBLE to keep gallons of “grape juice” in a desert community like Cana and NOT expect it to ferment. -- not matter HOW many of E.G. White's hoops they minke you jump through . .
Unlike that cold, bitter marriage you have that loser who claims to "hold upon this Earth the place of God Almighty", Eastern marriages coincided with the HARVEST when grapes were plentiful and FRESH. It was not "impossible" as you falsely claim to provide fresh grape juice, the freshest provided by Jesus...NOT BOOZE.
And, the chief steward said:
John 2:10

“Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
More subjective reasoning from the "roman dunghill of decretals", DB. You can scream and kick all you want that "saved the best for last" only applies to booze, but it can ALSO apply to grape juice an anything else, for that matter. For instance, what fool would serve stale bread first, then the fresh baked stuff last?

Only one kind of fool: the one who can't see that a stale round wafer that is supposed to be the "BreadOfLife" is nothing more than "DeadBread" - right, DB?
WHO would be okay with an inferior grape juice??
When fresh juice runs out and all that's left is not-so-fresh, you serve that. If it's turned to booze, the obedient don't even look at it as they throw it out while the papists get drunk before checking into church run rehab centers for alcoholic nuns and priests.
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
Confused papist...James simply means SEEN works is the inseparably accompanying proof which must accompany that by which we alone obtain salvation: UNSEEN faith.

It's "evidence for" - not "in addition to faith" - understand?
 

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The catholics better be careful trying that now in modern times... many Christians are armed and will shoot back! View attachment 38096
According to what I've read, not only will the "papacy rise again" but non-catholics will extend their full support - because Satan is going to counterfeit Jesus' Second Coming and point to the papacy as "God's representative on Earth".

Since, unfortunately, most "protestants" who no longer protest have swallowed Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism or Jesuit "Long Ago" Preterism and don't know a single thing about Protestant "Light of Truth" Historicism which brought Christianity out of the darkness of the Dark Ages during the glorious, God-ordained Protestant Reformation, doing so won't require much effort.
 

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DB, you blaspheme the Savior by accusing Him of having drunk booze - because I've shown you repeatedly that "new wine" is grape juice, according to "new wine that is in the cluster" which refers to the juice of unfermented grapes hanging on a vine.

Also, Solomon forbids us booze, and recommends it to the "perishing" - which can only refer to the lost.

Also, Jesus wouldn't forbid it in OT then contradict Himself by creating gallons of it in the NT.

Also, there was no Last Supper booze - all fermentation products were expelled from the camp at Passover.

Also, unfermented "wine" for intestinal ailments contains medicinal properties without the alcohol.

You'd think a church that has to set up institutions of recovery for booze addicted nuns and priests would figure all this out, but you guys can't even gain a proper position on the truth of salvation by grace through faith alone, so...
When Jesus turned the water into wine, because they had run out.... why was it not called
new wine?
 

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When Jesus turned the water into wine, because they had run out.... why was it not called
new wine?
Why wasn't the new wine served at the Last Supper called "new wine" instead of merely "wine"?

That catholicism claims Jesus represented His pure, sinless, uncorrupted, saving blood with impure, corrupted, poisonous deadly booze should be sufficient alone for global Protestantism to condemn it as the antichrist death cult that the Protestant Reformers proved it from Scripture to be.
 
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Why wasn't the new wine served at the Last Supper called "new wine" instead of merely "wine"?

That catholicism claims Jesus represented His pure, sinless, uncorrupted, saving blood with impure, corrupted, poisonous deadly booze should be sufficient alone for global Protestantism to condemn it as the antichrist death cult that the Protestant Reformers proved it from Scripture to be.
For Pete's sake. Pay attention!

You have to be aware that water back in those days in that area was not only rare but was less than pure.... Fermented juice was a safe alternative to tainted water.

Water is life. It is also death. For much of human history, whether because of humanity's ignorance or inability to dispose of and treat sewage, or because of animal dung and rotting corpses in rivers and streams, water-borne pathogens such as cholera, dysentery, and malaria resulted in epidemics and mass deaths. The city of Ephesus, where Timothy lived and ministered, boasted a freshwater delivery and sewage removal system complete with aqueducts and terracotta pipes for distribution and disposal at sea. But, even with such sophisticated systems, water in ancient days was often infected with disease.

Because pure drinking water was often unavailable, beer and wine have long been staples of the human diet, including that of Jews and Christians. Wine was used during times of worship, festivals, and celebrations (Numbers 15:10; Luke 22:14–20; John 2:1–11), but was also part of Jewish daily life (Genesis 14:18; Psalm 104:15; Ecclesiastes 10:19). Early Christian monks brewed beer and fermented wine. Martin Luther is recorded to have drunk a gallon of beer a day. And the Pilgrims came to America with kegs of beer.
For Jesus himself, we can look at two scriptures that indicate he also drank wine. First, in Matthew 26:27-29, he institutes the new covenant by sharing a cup of wine with the twelve apostles. He blessed the wine and instructed the men to drink from it. Then Jesus makes this interesting statement, “I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

This fruit of the vine means wine. The implication is he drank before but wouldn’t drink again until the kingdom’s fulfillment. He doesn’t make this statement to have anything to do with alcohol, good or bad. It’s about celebration and instituting a New Covenant. Wine symbolizes blood and the wedding analogy Jesus spoke of at the Last Supper, as well.

Next, Jesus noted that his critics called him a glutton and a winebibber (another term for drunkard) because he came “eating and drinking” (Matthew 11:9, Luke 7:34). He was revealing the critics’ hearts since they attacked him whether he fasted or went around eating with people (sinners especially). They called him a drunk because they saw him drinking wine with sinners. However, since Jesus was tempted yet sinless (1 Peter 2:22), he drank wine but never took it so far that he got drunk.

NO juice remains as juice. It quickly ferments... so if it was the sin you seem to think it was
look at the waste in a years time from harvesting the grapes into juice.

A search into how long juice will last..... netted the following info.

Conclusion

If kept in the refrigerator and not opened or spilled, Grape juice will last up to 12 months.
Ah, in a sealed container, in a refrigerator.
They had a lot of those back then


Be sure to keep it away from any other foods with strong odors like raw onions, as this can cause spoilage.

It would be best to be mindful of what container you store your grape juice in because certain plastics may release chemicals into the liquid over time.

If there is an expiration date on the bottle, make a note of when it expires so you know how long you’ve had it before opening it.

So how long does unrefrigerated juice last before fermenting?

On a primary fermentation project, fermentation begins in 24 to 36 hours and ends in 6 to 10 days..

So pick those grapes, make the juice, and consume it within 24 hours possible to a week and a half.... THEN THROW IT OUT AND WAIT ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE ABLE TO HAVE A NEW BATCH... YOU KNOW... NEW WINE

Grapes do not grow year round.

Grapes are harvested in early fall, and then planted in the spring. Learn more about growing grapes!

So the chances that it was strictly grape juice even at the last summer is quite doubtful.

The Greek/English Interlinear says

Math 26: And I say now to you no not will I drink from now of this the fruit of the vine until the day that I when it I drink with you anew in the kingdom of the father of me.

THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT SAYS IT WAS NEW WINE.. OR ONLY JUICE.

NIV states: I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”


THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT SAYS IT WAS NEW WINE.. OR ONLY JUICE.


New Living Translation
Mark my words—I will not drink wine again until the day I drink it new with you in my Father’s Kingdom.”

Contemporary English Version
From now on I am not going to drink any wine, until I drink new wine with you in my Father's kingdom."

NOTE: NO MENTION THAT HE NEVER DRANK FERMENTED WINE WHEN HE SAID NOT GOING TO DRINK ANY

International Standard Version
I tell all of you I will never again drink the product of the vine until that day when I drink it with you once again in my Father's kingdom."

WHAT PRODUCT DOES THE VINE PRODUCE... ESPECIALLY AFTER 24 HOURS?

Literal Standard Version
and I say to you that I may not drink from now on this produce of the vine, until that day when I may drink it with you new in the kingdom of My Father.”

So while I share a lot of things against the RCC and especially Pope Frankie... the very idea that somehow Jesus would have been tainted by drinking fermented wine is not one of them.
 

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Unlike that cold, bitter marriage you have that loser who claims to "hold upon this Earth the place of God Almighty", Eastern marriages coincided with the HARVEST when grapes were plentiful and FRESH. It was not "impossible" as you falsely claim to provide fresh grape juice, the freshest provided by Jesus...NOT BOOZE.
And “fresh grape juice” during a 3 day wedding celebration in the desert sun would have rendered it spoiled and Partially-fermented. And that’s IF it was squeezed on the DAY of the wedding – which it probably wasn’t.

Question:
WHAT did Jesus mean when He said:
Mark 2:22

“And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins.”

Answer:
They will BURST because of the gases that emanate from fermentation.
This is JESUS talking – not your goddess, Ellen White.

More subjective reasoning from the "roman dunghill of decretals", DB. You can scream and kick all you want that "saved the best for last" only applies to booze, but it can ALSO apply to grape juice an anything else, for that matter. For instance, what fool would serve stale bread first, then the fresh baked stuff last?
That’s NOT what the steward said – your idiotic anti-Catholic slurs aside . . ..

He said that people usually serve the good stuff FIRST then when they’ve drunk freely, they serve the cheaper wine.

Only one kind of fool: the one who can't see that a stale round wafer that is supposed to be the "BreadOfLife" is nothing more than "DeadBread" - right, DB?
The only kind of fool is the one who doesn’t take Jesus seriously . . .
When fresh juice runs out and all that's left is not-so-fresh, you serve that. If it's turned to booze, the obedient don't even look at it as they throw it out while the papists get drunk before checking into church run rehab centers for alcoholic nuns and priests.
Again – your asinine anti-Catholic manure aside – show me a SINGLE verse claiming that the Wedding guests at Cana refused any wine and did not “drink freely” of it.
Confused papist...James simply means SEEN works is the inseparably accompanying proof which must accompany that by which we alone obtain salvation: UNSEEN faith.

It's "evidence for" - not "in addition to faith" - understand?
Faith = Belief + Surrender/Obedience (Works) (Gal. 5:6, James 2:14-26).
How do YOU define faith?
 

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And “fresh grape juice” during a 3 day wedding celebration in the desert sun would have rendered it spoiled and Partially-fermented. And that’s IF it was squeezed on the DAY of the wedding – which it probably wasn’t.

Question:
WHAT did Jesus mean when He said:
Mark 2:22

“And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins.”

Answer:
They will BURST because of the gases that emanate from fermentation.
This is JESUS talking – not your goddess, Ellen White.

That’s NOT what the steward said – your idiotic anti-Catholic slurs aside . . ..

He said that people usually serve the good stuff FIRST then when they’ve drunk freely, they serve the cheaper wine.

The only kind of fool is the one who doesn’t take Jesus
seriously . . .

Again – your asinine anti-Catholic manure aside – show me a SINGLE verse claiming that the Wedding guests at Cana refused any wine and did not “drink freely” of it.

Faith = Belief + Surrender/Obedience (Works) (Gal. 5:6, James 2:14-26).
How do YOU define faith?
The thief on the cross who had done nothing but believe was saved by faith alone.
 
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For Pete's sake. Pay attention!
Don't bark at me. Do it again and you're blocked, understand?
You have to be aware that water back in those days in that area was not only rare but was less than pure.... Fermented juice was a safe alternative to tainted water.
You don't know what you're talking about, nor should you trust such ridiculous propaganda. Scripture says wherever nomadic Abraham settled, he did two things: he built an altar and DUG A WELL. The Philistines went around trying to stop his wells, but could not prevent Jesus from drinking from one such well.

There was no fracking, no chemical dumping, no acid rain, no nuclear radioactive runoff, no EPA necessary to control the widespread pollution happening today that harmed the wells of the ancients.

The false claim by catholics that Jesus drank fermented booze (which has made necessary the many Recovery Centers for booze addicted priests and nuns) is blasphemy and will not go unnoticed on the Day of Judgment.
 
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