That's not the discussion. I was making a contrast with with an inner transformation and a paint job.
I have explicitly mentioned a changed heart in numerous posts I have made.
You have explicitly denied a changed heart could fail to persevere...contrary to scripture.
I don't presume you are familiar with all of my posts nor should you presume I am unaware of a changed heart in a Converted man.
This is both a red herring and a straw man fallacy. Of course a converted man has a changed heart. Every "converted Bible Christian" has a changed heart. But it's possible for a few of these "changed hearts" to get unchanged. A changed heart is the beginning of justification. It's a means to an end, not an endin itself.OSAS denies the need to persevere. You can squeeze OSAS out the Bible by changing the meaning of a handful of words and performing scriptural gymnastics, but no matter how you slice the cake, OSAS is a false tradition of men. It was invented by John Calvin whether you heard of Calvin or not.
I don't presume I am the authority on what "MANY Protestants" believe or much care.
This is a loaded statement. I said many Protestants like St. Augustine. By using "many Protestants" I am giving credibility to St. Augustine trying to show he is not a threat to Protestants. He was the
bishop of
Hippo Regiusin north Africa and is viewed as one of the most important
Church Fathers in Western Christianity for his writings in the
Patristic Era. Among his most important works are
The City of God,
On Christian Doctrine and
Confessions. ECF are hard to read sometimes, you may be better off with a summary.
Nor do I believe God cares
much about whether a man calls himself a Protestant or Catholic.
Me neither.
Rom 4:7
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are Forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
The sins are covered on condition they are forgiven. One does not exclude the other. Forgiveness is not a one time event.
Romans 4:7 is taken from Psalm 32:1-2
Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man against whom the Lord counts no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit.
It has been my testimony ^ That applies to me.
So?
I have not challenged Gods Power, but rather have testified His Power is Supreme above all powers.
Nobody said you challenged God power; I am challenging your false man made tradition. You can accept reformist opinions and still be a good Christian.
The view that God just declares us righteous by “covering us up,” denigrates the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives,
So?
Are you an OT Faithful Hebrew who obeyed Hebrew laws, Customs, Festivals that you want what Isaiah was given for His obedience?
That has nothing to do with the full context of the quote you hacked up.
JBFA, OSAS are man made traditions and the "Bible Alone" principle has never worked.
If you want to try and apply Scriptures to me, Include how you determined they apply to me.
That would be pointless. You have your own vocabulary and your private way of interpreting. You may get it right 90% of the time.
You want to lecture me about the importance of a Hearts change.....
First show where I have claimed to the contrary.
I never said anything like that. You are all over the map, play scriptural gymnastics, make subtle changes to word meanings, employ straw man fallacies, loaded statements, and a variety of logical fallacies you are not even aware of. That's why I avoid your monologues.
You want to talk about OT men who became saints according to the OLD covenant...
So? It is deflective from the topic.
I am not going to scroll back 1- 2 -3 pages just to find out what you are talk taking about. It would be a waste of time, like what I am doing now.
That's funny - because MY Bible says that those in Christ are BEING saved abd BEING made perfect.
2 Cor. 2:15
For we are to God the pleasing aroma of Christ among those who are BEING saved and those who are perishing.
Heb. 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
CONTEXT, my arrogant friend - context.
Arrogance won't get you to heaven - only faith WORKING through love (Gal. 5:6) . . .
