Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

[Phoneman777]

Thanks Pman, I understand what you said now. I believe all the laws were given to Moses at the same time, but I believe the 10 Commandments were penned on stone tablets by the angel that gave Moses God's words.

I believe "thou shalt have no other gods before Me" was proven to exist at the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve were evicted for making Satan their god. Same for murder with Cain. Same for theft with Rachel. Same for adultery with Joseph and Potiphar's wife.

The Ten Commandments did not begin to exist at Sinai, but were "codified" at Sinai. Codify is a word that is not known by many but should known by all.

 

[Phoneman777]

I salute you sir, that is exactly correct. So keeping that in mind, are you even able to put a number to the number of times you have violated the Sabbath?

Yep, most of my life, which is why I need a Savior - because even if I suddenly become a perfect Jesus clone and kept every Sabbath flawlessly, without grace I still must suffer the death penalty for past guilt.

However, grace only covers sins from which we repent and walk in Jesus' way. If I claim to know Jesus but continue breaking the Sabbath, I only prove to the world that I'm a liar and the truth is not in me (12 John 2:3-4 KJV).

 

[robert derrick]

Lets lay the judgement on thick for those we don't agree with.....we are so much better than them!

I have reported you for a personal attack. If you have no answer, then just move on. Don't get personal and accuse me of attacking others.

 

[robert derrick]

That is pure and simple scandal mongering and false representation, and unworthy of an answer.

I have reported you for a personal attack. If you have no answer, then just move on. Do not accuse me of attacking others.

Keep it professional and respond to the details of what is posted only. If you can prove anything false, they I will gladly take the correction.

 

[robert derrick]

Let's see if we can spot any "carnal hypocrisy" here:
SDAs worship in Spirit and in Truth,

This is the first time I have read it on this site. If you say so, then so be it. From now on I will refer to this one post, after it is brought up that none ever did before. If someone else jumps on board, then I'll register them too.

working on Sabbath is forbidden (except for Biblical precedent like Jesus healing, emergencies, etc.),

Those were false accusations against Jesus, that doing such things were judged as work by God.

Work for pay is not healing for mercy. Work for pay by healing is not healing for mercy: Working on the Sabbath would cut off the soul from the people: tilling the soil, shearing the sheep, harvesting the field. Today that would include working the job and advancing the career, whether commercial, military, emergency services, gvt, etc...

I return tithe on gross plus offerings,

If this is a way of saying that pay from working on your Sabbath is used in some special way, then the hypocrisy is confirmed. If your Sabbath were law of Christ, then you would be cut off by Christ from His body.

the Law of Moses and the Law of God are Biblically distinct for a reason: the one began with Moses and ended at the Cross while the other goes back to the beginning and will "stand fast forever and ever".

No point of the law of Moses remained in power through the cross.

The Lord also declared the old Covenant to have been eternal, and is now old and decayed.

The stones and book of the law of Moses included everything written therein, including statutes, judgments, carnal ordinances, commandments. And the commandments were written last on stone.

With the resurrection of Jesus Christ, He then gave His law, doctrine, and commandments to His apostles for the church. Whatever therefore you can quote from the apostles as doctrine and commandment, then do so. Otherwise, you preach your own doctrine and law, and is to be rejected.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I do not bid you God speed in your commandment to keep your Sabbath, since you cannot quote an apostle commanding it from the Lord.

Jesus said if we love Him, we'll keep His commandments - not the ones nailed to the Cross which were "against" people and "shadows" of things to come -

Everything written in the ark, including the tables of stone and the book of the Law was nailed to the cross. (2 Cor 3)(Col 2)

Paul distinctly included Sabbath days as shadows, and not to judge others accordingly.

Both your commandment and judgment based upon in direct opposition to Scripture: they are both false.

the commandments that existed before the now extinct Mosaic Law, and will exist for all eternity.

The only commandments of the Lord before the law of Moses, were circumcision to Abraham, and the Sabbath in the wilderness. Once these were included in the law of Moses, they were then done away with it at the cross.

The teaching that commandments are distinct from the law is a lying destruction of the wholeness of God's written law:

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James also says that not keeping the commandments is transgression of the law.

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus confirms the commandments, including the first great ones were in the law, are in the law, not separate from the law.

The perfection of Scripture from God is to plainly expose every lie against Scripture, that man would ever teach.

Your doctrine is false, because you do not learn by Scripture only, but by men's false commandments.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

SDAs strive to do just that.

Strive away. It's nothing to me. But so long as you preach your personal striving for law of Christ, by corrupting the Scriptures, then you're preaching false doctrine.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

At this time your religion is an outcast from both believing Christians, who read no commandment of apostles to keep a Sabbath, and from unbelieving Jews, who say your Sabbath in Christ's name is as cursed as He.

 

[robert derrick]

Let's find out what the "law of Christ" is:

"Give ear, O My people to MY law: Incline your ears unto the words of MY mouth (the Ten Commandments). I will open My mouth in parable..." Psalms 78:1-2 KJV

"In all these things spake JESUS in parables, and without a parable spake He not unto them, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the mouth of the prophet, I will open My mouth in parable..." Matthew 13:34-35 KJV

It was JESUS Who spoke His Ten Commandments at Sinai because JESUS is the God of the OT.

The law of Christ is the law of the risen God of Israel.

The law of Christ is only written in the doctrine of the apostles, given personally for us by our risen Savior.

Until then, the only law of the god of Israel was that of Moses given to His people under the Old Covenant.

You mishandle Scripture to preach your on commandment of a Sabbath.

I hear the law of Christ only from where it is written, in His doctrine of the apostles:

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[robert derrick]

Geez man, let others follow their own conscience. Don’t try to make them follow your conscience. Even if you know the law is for the inside of your cup and your conscience is not bothered, why would you try to disturb someone else’s conscience? And especially if you clearly see fruit of the Spirit, why would you do it??
Paul spoke so clearly on this…

I know sometimes the reverse of what we see in this thread happens in here, but you are talking with Cass and BL, who are mature believers who don’t bully people with their beliefs. I’ve never seen them do it once. If they think one day is more holy, what’s that to you? Let them honor God without your direction. Are you their worship leader? Gosh sakes…

Since you post this independently on a thread I started, then I'll respond.

You are obviously not one who commands a Sabbath, which is the ones being addressed here.

If you have a special day of rest and worship to God by personal faith, then do so and enjoy it.

 

[robert derrick]

I'm curious how a post without any reference to a scripture whatsoever qualifies as "Bible study"?

It's a study in hypocrisy of false commandments of men.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

It's not about a Sabbath commandment itself, but about the hypocrisies that always arise in this world, when men teach carnal commandments for doctrine of Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Well, everybody, if the Sabbath is no longer in force, but we're still keeping it, and it's not a sin for us not to, we won't have any consequences, now, would we?

So long as you don't make it a commandment for the churches of God.

Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Those who keep their Sabbath as by commandment are weak of conscience, not knowing the law of Christ, but trying to keep the law of Moses.

But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

If one's personal faith and meat is to ensure one day of rest and worship, then they are none the better, and if another has not such meat, then they are none the worse.

But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

The opposition to commanding one's own Sabbath and judging others as trasngressers by it, is not forcing liberty down the throats of babes, but is ensuring other's men's vanities do not condemn our liberty:

Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

It works both ways: don't force the liberty of the law of Christ upon weak babes, and don't force a hardened conscience upon the liberty of them strong in the word.

Commanded Sabbaths, circumcision, meats and drinks, holiness rules, etc... are all commandments of men, who think their weak conscience is really strong Christianity.

It's the dominion of the self-righteous over the faith of those faithful to the Scripture only, and not to traditions and commandments of men:

Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your for by faith ye stand.

 

[robert derrick]

You claim that the Passover is "off the books", but Paul mentions that the Corinthians observed it. More to the point, Eusebius recorded the fact that Polycarp observed the Passover with the apostle John and other 1st century apostles:



The facts concerning the history of the true Church of God are simply not on the side of people who foolishly argue that all of the Lev. 23 festivals are not a Christian obligation. Your attempt at bringing Jerusalem up is an extremely poor deflection tactic for at least 4 reasons:

1. The Passover was observed centuries before David ever conquered Jerusalem. As the Biblical record in Exodus-Joshua shows, the Israelites kept the Passover in Egypt, in the Sinai desert, and before their conquest of Canaan, at Gilgal.

2. Polycarp was based in Smyrna at the time of the Quartodeciman Controversy, which was long after Jerusalem was sacked and destroyed by the Romans in the 1st century A.D.

3. There is literally no passage that shows God, a prophet, or an apostle saying the Passover was only supposed to be observed in Jerusalem. When Paul addressed the Corinthians about observing the Passover, it was clearly within the context of them attending a service that was held in their local area.

4. The Passover was only observed in Jerusalem after David conquered it, and for as long as the physical priesthood was necessary. Since Jesus replaced the physical priesthood as a High Priest and Mediator that continually serves in the heavenly temple under the current covenant, there is no need for anyone to make an arduous trek to Jerusalem.

Quoting the practices of men according to the liberty is not teaching the law of Christ.

Your error is preaching Christian obligation, where there is no commandment obliging it.

If I were in the time of John, I'd love to keep a passover, sabbath, or any other holy day with him, if he desired it. Just to be around John.

I wouldn't be a part of any holy day of false teachers that command it to me.

Forget that.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You are obviously not one who commands a Sabbath

Not exactly sure what this means…I don’t command anything, so I guess you’re right…
I have seen all commands are for the inside, in spirit and truth. I see every day as holy now and have a firm grasp on if the inside is clean the outside just is as well, regardless of mens judging of the outside movements.
But if another man thinks by his conscience that one day is holier, he should follow his conscience, or else it would be sin for him. And he should be able to be left to do so with himself and God. Just because I know my freedom and am not bothered by not choosing any day as holier over another but think them all alike as holy, it gives me no right to try to talk another man out of his own conscience. If I did that, it would be sin on MY part.

 

[Phoneman777]

This is the first time I have read it on this site. If you say so, then so be it. From now on I will refer to this one post, after it is brought up that none ever did before. If someone else jumps on board, then I'll register them too.

Good, always refer to this post and remember that SDAs worship in Spirit and in Truth.

Those were false accusations against Jesus, that doing such things were judged as work by God. Work for pay is not healing for mercy. Work for pay by healing is not healing for mercy: Working on the Sabbath would cut off the soul from the people: tilling the soil, shearing the sheep, harvesting the field. Today that would include working the job and advancing the career, whether commercial, military, emergency services, gvt, etc...

Yes, the accusations of those who cried "Crucify Him!" are most assuredly unfounded.

If this is a way of saying that pay from working on your Sabbath is used in some special way, then the hypocrisy is confirmed. If your Sabbath were law of Christ, then you would be cut off by Christ from His body.

We should not be working on Sabbath but if, say, a wrecker truck driver is called out to help free a trapped accident victim, that money ought to be given as an offering, for Sabbath hours are holy hours.

No point of the law of Moses remained in power through the cross.

Agreed, the Mosaic Law of ceremonies, sacrifices, shadows of things to come has been nailed to the Cross. The Ten Commandments, however, "stand fast forever and ever" (Psalms 111:7-8 KJV).

The Lord also declared the old Covenant to have been eternal, and is now old and decayed.

The OC was conditional - on condition those to whom it was proferred continued in it. By their refusal to do so, the OC came to an end.

The stones and book of the law of Moses included everything written therein, including statutes, judgments, carnal ordinances, commandments. And the commandments were written last on stone.

Long before Moses was born, God told us through Joseph adultery was "sin" - breaking the 7th commandment (12 John 3:4 KJV).

With the resurrection of Jesus Christ, He then gave His law, doctrine, and commandments to His apostles for the church. Whatever therefore you can quote from the apostles as doctrine and commandment, then do so. Otherwise, you preach your own doctrine and law, and is to be rejected.

The Ten Commandments are Jesus' commandments because the same God Who said in the OT:

"Give ear, O My people, to My law: incline your ears to the words of My mouth (the same law God spoke with His mouth at Sinai) I will open My mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: - Psalm 78:1-2 KJV
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...is the same God Matthew says fulfilled that prophecy:

"All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." - Matthew 13:34-35 KJV​

I do not bid you God speed in your commandment to keep your Sabbath, since you cannot quote an apostle commanding it from the Lord.

The writer of Hebrews, who is most likely the Apostle Paul, says in Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Pishitta says, "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". The word rest here is "Sabbatismos", or "Sabbath". Now you know the Sabbath is plainly commanded in the NT, just as are the other Ten Commandments enforced in the NT.

Everything written in the ark, including the tables of stone and the book of the Law was nailed to the cross. (2 Cor 3)(Col 2)

Sorry, but it's just plain asinine to deny that the Ten Commandments which were first written on stone are not what's now what's written on the heart, when that is the very definition of the NC - "I will put My Laws in their minds and on their hearts will I write them".

Paul distinctly included Sabbath days as shadows, and not to judge others accordingly. Both your commandment and judgment based upon in direct opposition to Scripture: they are both false.

OK, this is an example of some of the most sloppy exegesis there is: claiming Colossians 2:16 KJV refers to the weekly Sabbath.

A blind man can see verse 16 is a list of ceremonial laws of Moses: "meats (offerings), drinks (offerings), new moons (marking ceremonial observances), holy days (like Purim, Jubilee commencement, etc.). In Leviticus 23, the yearly Feast Day shadows were called "sabbaths" which pointed to the Messiah Who was to come in the future, while in Genesis 2:1-2 KJV the weekly Sabbath is defined as a memorial to God's creation that had come to pass.

The only commandments of the Lord before the law of Moses, were circumcision to Abraham, and the Sabbath in the wilderness.

So, Cain didn't know not to murder, Rachel didn't know not to steal, Abraham didn't know not to lie, Joseph didn't know not to sleep with another man's wife, etc.???

Once these were included in the law of Moses, they were then done away with it at the cross.

What an astounding example of Biblical ignorance that is. Scripture says the opposite of that:

"Wherefore serveth the law? It was added because of transgression until the Seed should come..."

Paul wanted to know why people served the Law of Moses which was added because of transgression to the already existing Ten Commandments, understand? It was the Law of Moses, not the Ten Commandments to which it was added, that began a Sinai and ended at the Cross, and is why it's no longer wrong to skip Passover, circumcision, meat and drink offerings, but if you commit adultery or kill or break the Sabbath, you become a transgressor of the law and will go to hell, understand?

The teaching that commandments are distinct from the law is a lying destruction of the wholeness of God's written law:

Bulldookey, there are several places in Scripture where God makes a distinction between the Mosaic Law and God's Law. For instance, the Ten Commandments are called "holy, just, and good" but the Mosaic Law of the Levitical priesthood is called a "carnal commandment". How the flip can the same law simultaneously be "carnal" and "holy, just, and good"???

James also says that not keeping the commandments is transgression of the law.

Correct, including the Sabbath commandment.

Jesus confirms the commandments, including the first great ones were in the law, are in the law, not separate from the law.

The Two Great are not "in" anything - they are a SUMMARY of the Ten Commandments because if you love God, you'll keep the first four, and if you love your neighbor, the last six. Explain how we can love God and our neighbor while breaking any of those Ten and I'll concede, but if you fail to do so, YOU CONCEDE.

Your doctrine is false, because you do not learn by Scripture only, but by men's false commandments.

I've explained where your doctrine only exists by twisting Scripture, and showed you how to read them in accordance with the Spirit of Truth of the Scripture. All that remains is for you to abandon the popular errors you've parroted and embrace truth.

Strive away. It's nothing to me. But so long as you preach your personal striving for law of Christ, by corrupting the Scriptures, then you're preaching false doctrine.

Jesus says those who do and preach His commandments are regarded by heaven above as "great", while those who fight against them are regarded as "the least", so can you see which of us is on the Lord's side and which of us is on the side of rebellion against the Lord?

At this time your religion is an outcast from both believing Christians, who read no commandment of apostles to keep a Sabbath, and from unbelieving Jews, who say your Sabbath in Christ's name is as cursed as He.

Seeing that Hebrews 4:9 says it's our "duty" to keep the Sabbath, it's clear who's doing God's will and who isn't. The good thing is that when a person is walking away from God, He allows U-turns ;)

BTW, if the Ten Commandments are no more, I'm sure you wouldn't object to me coming to your house and stealing all your stuff, seeing that it's OK with God now, right? I mean, how can you object to that which God now says is OK, right?

 

[Phoneman777]

The law of Christ is the law of the risen God of Israel.

The law of Christ is only written in the doctrine of the apostles, given personally for us by our risen Savior.

Until then, the only law of the god of Israel was that of Moses given to His people under the Old Covenant.

You mishandle Scripture to preach your on commandment of a Sabbath.

I hear the law of Christ only from where it is written, in His doctrine of the apostles:

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I see you could not undo my line of reasoning which proves the Ten Commandments which Jesus spoke at Sinai are included among the "Law of Christ"... of course you couldn't. All you have are high sounding platitudes based on an incomplete reading and understanding of the Word.

The Bible says Jesus spoke the Ten Commandments at Sinai, making them "the Law of Christ" which you keep if you love God and your neighbor, and those who refuse to keep that law will go to hell.

 

[robert derrick]

Good, always refer to this post and remember that SDAs worship in Spirit and in Truth.

No problem. I'll never say again that no Sabbath commanders ever talk about worshipping in the Spirit. Not since after thousands of post, it was pointed out they never did.

We should not be working on Sabbath but if, say, a wrecker truck driver is called out to help free a trapped accident victim, that money ought to be given as an offering, for Sabbath hours are holy hours.

This is the hypocrisy Jesus rebuked pertaining to the commandment to mother and father: so long as the results are Corban to the priesthood, then the commandment could be broken.

Your commandment is not the Sabbath commandment of the OT. Your commandment has Corban built into it to accommodate industrial society professions. Men's commandments must accommodate life in this present world with exceptions, not God.

The commandments of God are, Thou shalt not. Not, Ye should not, unless necessary.

The Ten Commandments, however, "stand fast forever and ever" (Psalms 111:7-8 KJV).

Nine of the first ten do today. The Sabbath along with other ceremonial law of Moses will be brought back as law for natural Israel, during the millennial reign. At this time, there is no natural Israel other than the body of Christ, and no law of Sabbath for us to keep.

The OC was conditional - on condition those to whom it was proferred continued in it. By their refusal to do so, the OC came to an end.
Long before Moses was born, God told us through Joseph adultery was "sin" - breaking the 7th commandment (12 John 3:4 KJV).

So did the law of Moses, in which the commandments, statutes, judgments, etc... were written.

There was sinning before the law, but not made known as sinning until the law. There was no sinning against the Sabbath, until the wilderness, and was only for the children of Israel.

...is the same God Matthew says fulfilled that prophecy:

"All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." - Matthew 13:34-35 KJV​

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Jesus was a Jew born of Jews under the law, and so was circumcised on the 8th day. Therefore, He kept the law of the Sabbath as written, but not carpentering therein.

The writer of Hebrews, who is most likely the Apostle Paul, says in Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Pishitta says, "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". The word rest here is "Sabbatismos", or "Sabbath". Now you know the Sabbath is plainly commanded in the NT, just as are the other Ten Commandments enforced in the NT.

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath".

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Rewriting Scripture corrupts Scripture to your own destruction. Best to be rid of your lamsa pishitta mishitta, and just stick to what's written.

I'm in Jesus' rest.

 

[quietthinker]

I have reported you for a personal attack. If you have no answer, then just move on. Don't get personal and accuse me of attacking others.

self revelation.....something no man can hide from.

 

[Phoneman777]

No problem. I'll never say again that no Sabbath commanders ever talk about worshipping in the Spirit. Not since after thousands of post, it was pointed out they never did.

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one don't advertise my worship in Spirit and truth because of fear of being associated with kooky OSAS and charismatic Christians who constantly gush about having the "spirit" but then profess doctrines and beliefs which can't possibly come from the Holy Spirit. For instance, Acts 5:32 KJV is clear God only gives His Spirit to "them that obey Him", not those who refuse to do so.

This is the hypocrisy Jesus rebuked pertaining to the commandment to mother and father: so long as the results are Corban to the priesthood, then the commandment could be broken.

This hypocrisy of the Jews pointed out by Jesus is actually demonstrated by YOUR position which is the driver ought to forget the Sabbath and then use the money to keep the 5th commandment.

Your commandment is not the Sabbath commandment of the OT. Your commandment has Corban built into it to accommodate industrial society professions. Men's commandments must accommodate life in this present world with exceptions, not God.

I assure you, the Sabbath commandment is derived from the same bunch that says don't steal, don't lie, don't worship the devil.

The commandments of God are, Thou shalt not. Not, Ye should not, unless necessary.

Only to those like you who break them and teach others to do the same.

Nine of the first ten do today. The Sabbath along with other ceremonial law of Moses will be brought back as law for natural Israel, during the millennial reign. At this time, there is no natural Israel other than the body of Christ, and no law of Sabbath for us to keep.

There's nothing more ridiculous than to argue nine of the Ten Commandments remain for Christians, as if getting baptized gets you a 10% discount. The Sabbath is found being kept throughout the NT, and is commanded in Hebrews 4:9 in the Greek, so this statement is simply wrong.

So did the law of Moses, in which the commandments, statutes, judgments, etc... were written. There was sinning before the law, but not made known as sinning until the law. There was no sinning against the Sabbath, until the wilderness, and was only for the children of Israel.

Here are the facts: People were knowingly committing adultery, murder, theft, lying long before it was wrong to skip Passover, circumcision, or first born redemption sacrifices - your refusal to differentiate between the laws that go back to the beginning from the Mosaic Law which was "added because of transgression until the Seed should come" is why your doctrine is so disharmonious.

Jesus was a Jew born of Jews under the law, and so was circumcised on the 8th day. Therefore, He kept the law of the Sabbath as written, but not carpentering therein.

Why do Antinomianists refuse to acknowledge that Gentiles were expected to conform to God's law when they incorporated themselves? Good gravy, man, grace is not a OSAS License to Sin, but both pardon for sin and power to stop sinning aka doing that which condemned Jesus to die. Do you want to keep driving fresh nails into the hands of Jesus? Of course you don't but that's what we do when we refuse to obey Him.

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Rewriting Scripture corrupts Scripture to your own destruction. Best to be rid of your lamsa pishitta mishitta,a nd just stick to what's written. I'm in Jesus' rest.

If "rewriting" Scripture was wrong, the Bible would have to be kept only in the original language like Allah says the Koran must be kept.

"Twisting" - not "rewriting" - is what Peter condemns, got it? It's not wrong for George Lamsa to translate aka "rewrite" ancient Eastern MSS into English as he's done. Moreover, the KJV also refers to "rest" as "Sabbatimos" which a blind man can see refers to the weekly Sabbath, understand?

 

[savedbygrace1]

Why do Antinomianists refuse to acknowledge that Gentiles were expected to conform to God's law when they incorporated themselves? Good gravy, man, grace is not a OSAS License to Sin, but both pardon for sin and power to stop sinning aka doing that which condemned Jesus to die.

In Acts 15, Paul and Barnabas met with the church leaders, only one thing was on the agenda. Which Jewish laws gentile converts be asked to follow. Four were decided upon. Avoiding the levitical unclean foods was not one of them, neither was observing a set Saturday sabbath. God's laws are not arbitary, you cannot pick and choose which ones you follow and which ones you ignore. Do you believe the church leaders, including Paul and Christ's original disciples gave gentile converts a licence to sin?

 

[Phoneman777]

In Acts 15, Paul and Barnabas met with the church leaders, only one thing was on the agenda. Which Jewish laws gentile converts be asked to follow. Four were decided upon. Avoiding the levitical unclean foods was not one of them, neither was observing a set Saturday sabbath. God's laws are not arbitary, you cannot pick and choose which ones you follow and which ones you ignore. Do you believe the church leaders, including Paul and Christ's original disciples gave gentile converts a licence to sin?

I'm not asking anyone to follow Jewish laws - the Sabbath goes all the way back to Creation thousands of years before the first Jew. The rest of the Ten Commandments can also be traced to before the first Jews.

 

[savedbygrace1]

I'm not asking anyone to follow Jewish laws - the Sabbath goes all the way back to Creation thousands of years before the first Jew. The rest of the Ten Commandments can also be traced to before the first Jews.

If you are sda, you believe the levitical unclean foods must be avoided don't you. Do you believe gentiles were given a licence to sin in this regard? Specifically to observe a set saturday sabbath would have had to be made plain also, it was not

 

[Brakelite]

I'll never say again that no Sabbath commanders ever talk about worshipping in the Spirit. Not since after thousands of post, it was pointed out they never did.

You did very well too read the many thousands of posts from Sabbath keepers, both here present today and from the past, that prompted you're initial judgement of them as never speaking of worshiping in the spirit.