Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

[robert derrick]

1. I never read of them ever speaking of worshipping God, and if so, never in Spirit and in truth.

And so, the outer day is everything, and the inner man is nothing, since all we hear about is the outer and nothing of the inner.

2. They also excuse working their jobs on their Sabbath day, if it is required, such as military, police, emergency service, gvt rule, etc...

And they even try to pay penance by donating their pay elsewhere.

I thought the commandment was not to work, not to not to keep the pay for working.

3. The obvious of course is separating the commandments of the law of Moses from the law of Moses, so that they can circumcise themselves from other Christians by their Sabbath day, and not be debtors to do the whole law of Moses.

Is it still a sin to heal on the Sabbath day, or is this the reformed Sabbath keeping of the christian religion, as opposed to that of the jews religion?

Is the reformation of Christ simply to make a less strict religion?

 

[bbyrd009]

1. I never read of them ever speaking of worshipping God, and if so, never in Spirit and in truth.

And so, the outer day is everything, and the inner man is nothing, since all we hear about is the outer and nothing of the inner.

2. They also excuse working their jobs on their Sabbath day, if it is required, such as military, police, emergency service, gvt rule, etc...

And they even try to pay penance by donating their pay elsewhere.

I thought the commandment was not to work, not to not to keep the pay for working.

3. The obvious of course is separating the commandments of the law of Moses from the law of Moses, so that they can circumcise themselves from other Christians by their Sabbath day, and not be debtors to do the whole law of Moses.

Is it still a sin to heal on the Sabbath day, or is this the reformed Sabbath keeping of the christian religion, as opposed to that of the jews religion?

Is the reformation of Christ simply to make a less strict religion?

one SDA thread wasnt enough rd? Yes, they do seem on the whole pretty legalistic, i would most associate the feel of the cong to JWs, but lets not forget that we surely have some laws of our own to overcome eh. SDA is as good a tree as any to be from i guess :)

 

[robert derrick]

one SDA thread wasnt enough rd? Yes, they do seem on the whole pretty legalistic, i would most associate the feel of the cong to JWs, but lets not forget that we surely have some laws of our own to overcome eh. SDA is as good a tree as any to be from i guess :)

One is debate, the other is teaching.

You ask a question to be debated, and here we teach what we already believe the answer is.

I have no laws to overcome and be rid of.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no laws to overcome and be rid of

well, you might be surprised rd

 

[robert derrick]

well, you might be surprised rd

Don't be so mysterious. Give me one, or ask me questions.

If I do, and you're right, I'll thank you for it. Otherwise, just being theoretical is fine.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no laws to overcome and be rid of

well, might be a little hard to see at first, but you have just made a law, right there, see
but i might go back in your content and find…ya, a bunch more, more direct ones, and btw
if your car gets stolen, your house broken into, who you gonna call?
youre swimming in law, surely, ok
i mean this thread was even made bc your right eye has offended you, right

 

[robert derrick]

well, might be a little hard to see at first, but you have just made a law, right there, see
but i might go back in your content and find…ya, a bunch more, more direct ones, and btw
if your car gets stolen, your house broken into, who you gonna call?
youre swimming in law, surely, ok
i mean this thread was even made bc your right eye has offended you, right

When speaking of doctrine of Christ, we speak of the law of Christ, not of man.

Nevermind.

 

[bbyrd009]

When speaking of doctrine of Christ, we speak of the law of Christ, not of man.

man, keep choosing the best seat for as long as you need to bro; me, im full of crap and dont know what im talking about anyway, ok

 

[quietthinker]

1. I never read of them ever speaking of worshipping God, and if so, never in Spirit and in truth.

And so, the outer day is everything, and the inner man is nothing, since all we hear about is the outer and nothing of the inner.

2. They also excuse working their jobs on their Sabbath day, if it is required, such as military, police, emergency service, gvt rule, etc...

And they even try to pay penance by donating their pay elsewhere.

I thought the commandment was not to work, not to not to keep the pay for working.

3. The obvious of course is separating the commandments of the law of Moses from the law of Moses, so that they can circumcise themselves from other Christians by their Sabbath day, and not be debtors to do the whole law of Moses.

Is it still a sin to heal on the Sabbath day, or is this the reformed Sabbath keeping of the christian religion, as opposed to that of the jews religion?

Is the reformation of Christ simply to make a less strict religion?

Lets lay the judgement on thick for those we don't agree with.....we are so much better than them!

 

[Brakelite]

1. I never read of them ever speaking of worshipping God, and if so, never in Spirit and in truth.

And so, the outer day is everything, and the inner man is nothing, since all we hear about is the outer and nothing of the inner.

2. They also excuse working their jobs on their Sabbath day, if it is required, such as military, police, emergency service, gvt rule, etc...

And they even try to pay penance by donating their pay elsewhere.

I thought the commandment was not to work, not to not to keep the pay for working.

3. The obvious of course is separating the commandments of the law of Moses from the law of Moses, so that they can circumcise themselves from other Christians by their Sabbath day, and not be debtors to do the whole law of Moses.

Is it still a sin to heal on the Sabbath day, or is this the reformed Sabbath keeping of the christian religion, as opposed to that of the jews religion?

Is the reformation of Christ simply to make a less strict religion?

That is pure and simple scandal mongering and false representation, and unworthy of an answer.

 

[Robert Gwin]

1. I never read of them ever speaking of worshipping God, and if so, never in Spirit and in truth.

And so, the outer day is everything, and the inner man is nothing, since all we hear about is the outer and nothing of the inner.

2. They also excuse working their jobs on their Sabbath day, if it is required, such as military, police, emergency service, gvt rule, etc...

And they even try to pay penance by donating their pay elsewhere.

I thought the commandment was not to work, not to not to keep the pay for working.

3. The obvious of course is separating the commandments of the law of Moses from the law of Moses, so that they can circumcise themselves from other Christians by their Sabbath day, and not be debtors to do the whole law of Moses.

Is it still a sin to heal on the Sabbath day, or is this the reformed Sabbath keeping of the christian religion, as opposed to that of the jews religion?

Is the reformation of Christ simply to make a less strict religion?

I am so thankful that we have been released from the Sabbath law Rob, as everyone I know would be dead, no doubt even you yourself.
(Colossians 2:13-16) . . .He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. 15 He has stripped the governments and the authorities bare and has publicly exhibited them as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it. 16 Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath.

 

[Brakelite]

I am so thankful that we have been released from the Sabbath law Rob, as everyone I know would be dead, no doubt even you yourself.
(Colossians 2:13-16) . . .He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. 15 He has stripped the governments and the authorities bare and has publicly exhibited them as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it. 16 Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath.

I guess you are relieved to have been released from the law against lying, idolatry, stealing, and coveting too right?

 

[Phoneman777]

1. I never read of them ever speaking of worshipping God, and if so, never in Spirit and in truth.

And so, the outer day is everything, and the inner man is nothing, since all we hear about is the outer and nothing of the inner.

2. They also excuse working their jobs on their Sabbath day, if it is required, such as military, police, emergency service, gvt rule, etc...

And they even try to pay penance by donating their pay elsewhere.

I thought the commandment was not to work, not to not to keep the pay for working.

3. The obvious of course is separating the commandments of the law of Moses from the law of Moses, so that they can circumcise themselves from other Christians by their Sabbath day, and not be debtors to do the whole law of Moses.

Is it still a sin to heal on the Sabbath day, or is this the reformed Sabbath keeping of the christian religion, as opposed to that of the jews religion?

Is the reformation of Christ simply to make a less strict religion?

Let's see if we can spot any "carnal hypocrisy" here:
SDAs worship in Spirit and in Truth,

working on Sabbath is forbidden (except for Biblical precedent like Jesus healing, emergencies, etc.),

I return tithe on gross plus offerings,

the Law of Moses and the Law of God are Biblically distinct for a reason: the one began with Moses and ended at the Cross while the other goes back to the beginning and will "stand fast forever and ever".

Jesus said if we love Him, we'll keep His commandments - not the ones nailed to the Cross which were "against" people and "shadows" of things to come - the commandments that existed before the now extinct Mosaic Law, and will exist for all eternity. SDAs strive to do just that.

 

[Phoneman777]

one SDA thread wasnt enough rd? Yes, they do seem on the whole pretty legalistic, i would most associate the feel of the cong to JWs, but lets not forget that we surely have some laws of our own to overcome eh. SDA is as good a tree as any to be from i guess :)

C'mon, we ain't legalistic. By definition, a Legalist is one who attempts to gain salvation by works.

SDAs teach works are merely the outward evidence of our chosen inward spiritual condition.

 

[Phoneman777]

I am so thankful that we have been released from the Sabbath law Rob, as everyone I know would be dead, no doubt even you yourself.
(Colossians 2:13-16) . . .He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. 15 He has stripped the governments and the authorities bare and has publicly exhibited them as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it. 16 Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath.

Does grace allow you to disregard the commandment to have no gods before God? If not, what Biblical precedent is there for retaining the First Commandment but disregarding the Fourth?

 

[Phoneman777]

When speaking of doctrine of Christ, we speak of the law of Christ, not of man.

Nevermind.

Let's find out what the "law of Christ" is:

"Give ear, O My people to MY law: Incline your ears unto the words of MY mouth (the Ten Commandments). I will open My mouth in parable..." Psalms 78:1-2 KJV

"In all these things spake JESUS in parables, and without a parable spake He not unto them, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the mouth of the prophet, I will open My mouth in parable..." Matthew 13:34-35 KJV

It was JESUS Who spoke His Ten Commandments at Sinai because JESUS is the God of the OT.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I guess you are relieved to have been released from the law against lying, idolatry, stealing, and coveting too right?

Sorry Brake, you are mistaken, we have not been released from those laws sir.

 

[Cassandra]

I am so thankful that we have been released from the Sabbath law Rob, as everyone I know would be dead, no doubt even you yourself.
(Colossians 2:13-16) . . .He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. 15 He has stripped the governments and the authorities bare and has publicly exhibited them as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it. 16 Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath.

Oh, for Pete's sake. If I had a nickel for everytime someone has hashed out these verses...

I just have no , repeat, no clue, why it vexes so many of you that we keep Sabbath. Robert, you are happy you are released. Bully for you.
If we keep Sabbath and you guys think it is unimportant, then why worry about it? And further, why dog us for it?

I could ask you why you think you abstain from blood, when I'd bet money (all those nickels I got for you guys hashing out verses) that the steak you eat and the hamburger you eat has blood in it,lots, but I'm not gonna go " I am so thankful we have been released from eating blood, Rob" I don't think it is a sin to eat that, and I'm not going to diss you for it.

Many who post here that speak about how Sabbath is no more, do not do so in a loving christian manner. It is always like we Sabbathkeepers are stuck on the bottom of someone's shoe.

Here is the deal:

1. I'm not Sabbath "in your face." If your Bible and beliefs tell you that you don't need to keep Sabbath, then don't. You can read as well as I can.

2. It is not hurting you at all, or the country, for us to keep the Sabbath. no guns involved, no negativity on political fields. We fellowship together, and we keep the day. Many Sunday folk are just church and then a ball game or something. That's fine, if that is what you want to do, but don't talk stuff if we choose to spend the day with the Lord, and other believers.

We need to be wise like the fox, "A fox smells his own trail first." We can discuss things till the cows come home, but not in such an aloof manner. And be sure you are checking your stuff, while you are checking ours.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Does grace allow you to disregard the commandment to have no gods before God? If not, what Biblical precedent is there for retaining the First Commandment but disregarding the Fourth?

I posted the passage that gives the reason that Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath. But lets discuss it further since you obviously believe you are to observe it. Have you kept the Sabbath Pman?

 

[Brakelite]

Sorry Brake, you are mistaken, we have not been released from those laws sir.

Well, I'm very glad to hear that. So you don't steal anymore? Or covet right? Are you therefore obeying those Commandments in order to be saved Robert?