Can you serve God in a false religion?
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All the seed in the Bible is referring to offspring’s. Genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan about his seed. God even said to Cain, “You are like your father the Devil.”
Jesus is the seed of the women…Catholics have Satan’s seed as spiritual children.
Catholics pray to status, Mary, and other dead people they call saints. Jesus said not to pray to him, but to the father through him…are these other dead people higher than Jesus? You have the cross, which is the sign of the sun God. Your priest bless armies, war ships tanks, etc. They tell people they are going to Heaven, or a Hell of fire.
The list is very long.
Get your facts stright
Jesus is the seed of the women…Catholics have Satan’s seed as spiritual children.
Catholics pray to status, Mary, and other dead people they call saints. Jesus said not to pray to him, but to the father through him…are these other dead people higher than Jesus? You have the cross, which is the sign of the sun God. Your priest bless armies, war ships tanks, etc. They tell people they are going to Heaven, or a Hell of fire.
The list is very long.
Get your facts stright
Some big flaws here...that show an agenda.
"The greatest and most ancient church??? Palleese! How could he miss Jerusalem...? an oversight? Or a calculated revisionism?
It's superior origin??? Greater than Pentecost at Jerusalem? Greater than the first martyr Stephen?
What is obvious about Rome is that it was the capitol of an earthly empire. So naturally a worldly church would seek to be allied to what is great in the world. But the church of Christ is humble...not pompous!
Irenaeus is pointing out that the Church in Rome was the greatest because it it lies the Authority given Peter by Jesus Himself. I realize that angers anti-Catholics like yourself, but there is simply no getting around Peter's God-given authority - passed down to a long line of Successors.Episkopos said:
The Church in Jerusalem didn't have that kind of Authority.
Typical anti-Catholic drivel - unfounded and with no basis whatsoever. Let me guess - Jehovah's Witness (Watchtower), right?domenic said:
Come back when you have some proof for your silly claims.
Oh, ummm . . . can you show me the chapter and verse where God told Cain he was like his father the devil?
Typical anti-Catholic drivel - unfounded and with no basis whatsoever. Let me guess - Jehovah's Witness (Watchtower), right?
Come back when you have some proof for your silly claims.
Oh, ummm . . . can you show me the chapter and verse where God told Cain he was like his father the devil?
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No not JW. I am a member of no man made religion.
Ahhh, you want to go from baby food to eating meat...
1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.
Notice in this verse of John's letter we have Cain who was "of that wicked one". The word 'of' here in Strong's Concordance means 'origin', so Cain's "origins" are of the Devil which again points to him being the Devil's seed.
This is from a documents known as the Aramaic Targum(s). Those of you not familiar with these writings, Aramaic Targums are ancient Jewish writings dating from around the time of the Jews captivity in Babylon, so this means they date from around 550 BC. Having said that we cannot conclude that everything written therein is error for Truth can be found in the most unlikely of places e.g. the caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. Here is the writing:
And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the angel (of death) and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And she said: "I have got a man from the angel of the LORD."
The name Sammael can mean several things: accuser, seducer, destroyer, which are all names of the Devil. From the Wikipedia we get 'Sam' meaning poison and 'el' meaning God - the poison of God and hence the serpent.
Come back when you have some proof for your silly claims.
Oh, ummm . . . can you show me the chapter and verse where God told Cain he was like his father the devil?
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No not JW. I am a member of no man made religion.
Ahhh, you want to go from baby food to eating meat...
1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.
Notice in this verse of John's letter we have Cain who was "of that wicked one". The word 'of' here in Strong's Concordance means 'origin', so Cain's "origins" are of the Devil which again points to him being the Devil's seed.
This is from a documents known as the Aramaic Targum(s). Those of you not familiar with these writings, Aramaic Targums are ancient Jewish writings dating from around the time of the Jews captivity in Babylon, so this means they date from around 550 BC. Having said that we cannot conclude that everything written therein is error for Truth can be found in the most unlikely of places e.g. the caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. Here is the writing:
And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the angel (of death) and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And she said: "I have got a man from the angel of the LORD."
The name Sammael can mean several things: accuser, seducer, destroyer, which are all names of the Devil. From the Wikipedia we get 'Sam' meaning poison and 'el' meaning God - the poison of God and hence the serpent.
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Anyways, all the theories in the world can't stop truth when it's presented. I presented facts, and they are shot down as lies.
I'll just leave it at what I said before. By their fruits.
Yes I did learn much from the JW's. As to the drivel...did you not read #46? Nobody has to be called anti-Catholic, when all their teachings are false.
domenic said:
No not JW. I am a member of no man made religion.
Ahhh, you want to go from baby food to eating meat...
1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.
Notice in this verse of John's letter we have Cain who was "of that wicked one". The word 'of' here in Strong's Concordance means 'origin', so Cain's "origins" are of the Devil which again points to him being the Devil's seed.
This is from a documents known as the Aramaic Targum(s). Those of you not familiar with these writings, Aramaic Targums are ancient Jewish writings dating from around the time of the Jews captivity in Babylon, so this means they date from around 550 BC. Having said that we cannot conclude that everything written therein is error for Truth can be found in the most unlikely of places e.g. the caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. Here is the writing:
And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the angel (of death) and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And she said: "I have got a man from the angel of the LORD."
The name Sammael can mean several things: accuser, seducer, destroyer, which are all names of the Devil. From the Wikipedia we get 'Sam' meaning poison and 'el' meaning God - the poison of God and hence the serpent.
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domenic said:
No not JW. I am a member of no man made religion.
Ahhh, you want to go from baby food to eating meat...
1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.
Notice in this verse of John's letter we have Cain who was "of that wicked one". The word 'of' here in Strong's Concordance means 'origin', so Cain's "origins" are of the Devil which again points to him being the Devil's seed.
This is from a documents known as the Aramaic Targum(s). Those of you not familiar with these writings, Aramaic Targums are ancient Jewish writings dating from around the time of the Jews captivity in Babylon, so this means they date from around 550 BC. Having said that we cannot conclude that everything written therein is error for Truth can be found in the most unlikely of places e.g. the caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. Here is the writing:
And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the angel (of death) and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And she said: "I have got a man from the angel of the LORD."
The name Sammael can mean several things: accuser, seducer, destroyer, which are all names of the Devil. From the Wikipedia we get 'Sam' meaning poison and 'el' meaning God - the poison of God and hence the serpent.
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So, now you have gone from making silly and false claims to outright LIES.
This is what you said:
God even said to Cain, “You are like your father the Devil.”
NOWHERE in Scripture do we see God saying this to Cain. Like I said before, come back when you have some PROOF for your inane statements.
PS - you ARE part of a man made religion because it is not of God.
ChurchAuthority said;
NOWHERE in Scripture do we see God saying this to Cain. Like I said before, come back when you have some PROOF for your inane statements.
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JOHN 8:44 If that's not clear to you, than you are in a world of trouble. Maybe you are reading the Bible nwod edispu.
NOWHERE in Scripture do we see God saying this to Cain. Like I said before, come back when you have some PROOF for your inane statements.
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JOHN 8:44 If that's not clear to you, than you are in a world of trouble. Maybe you are reading the Bible nwod edispu.
Ahhh . . . another dodge. Come back when you have proof for your silly claims.domenic said:
This is getting ambarrassing . . .
Is that all you can do, is say, "Your silly claims?" You sound like a politician trying to shifting their lies trying to make the other guy look like a liar. The fruits of your religion show it’s from Satan, not God. Talking to you is pearl before swine.
Go get your beads, and say your prayers over, and over...three Hail Mary's, and five Our Fathers...lol.
MATTHEW 6:7 And your leaders tell you this is how to pray??? Wake up.
ChurchAuthority said:
Anti Catholic? If you are not a Montreal Canadiens fan does that make you anti-Montreal! I just don't share your veneration for a human institution! Are you anti-discernment or anti-disciple?
What's with all the earthly authority? Jesus Christ has all the authority we need. :) We need to rest in THAT authority...not some ecclesiastical convolution based on St. Erroneous!
The church of Jerusalem had the authority to dictate the terms of Gentile involvement in the church!!
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Don't mistake the true church for a men's club that struts around in pointy hats!
I agree 100%. The Catholic church is anti-God, and does Satan's work. It will be held for the murder of those they have lied to.
I don't call people who simply disagree with the Catholic Church, "Anti-Catholic".Episkopos said:
I reserve that moniker for those who lie about what the Church teaches, revise history and sling repugnant names at us - like that pointy hat slur you just made.
As for the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 - you have no idea what you're talking about. The PLACE had nothing to do with the Authority that was displayed there - just as the physical location of Rome has nothing to do with the Church's God-given authority now. The fact is that Peter and the rest of the apostles had the Authority given them by Jesus. This is not earthly Authority. Jesus told them that WHATEVER the Church ordained on earth would be ordained in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).
The Apostles, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit made the decision to not expect the Gentiles to conform to Jewish Law because the Holy spirit was to guide the Church to ALL truth - just as Jesus told them in John 16:12-15.
So much for your absurd claims about "earthly" authority . . .
Your failure to understand the word, "Pray" is what drives this sort of preposterous comment.domenic said:
You simply don't understand what it means.
PS - Are you aware of the fact that you just "prayed" to ME?
Here you are arguing my point! Then what is with all the ranting about the primacy of Rome (a physical place)? What is that all about! I do know what I'm talking about or else I would have let you continue to distort the truth! Are you then standing up for the "mystical" Rome rather than an earthly place called Rome. Do you know what you believe? Why this emphasis on an earthly seat of power?ChurchAuthority said:
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So much for your notion of the primacy of earthly Rome.
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