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All have sinned and fall short of the Kingdom. ALL. THAT MEANS..."ALL". There is no escaping that and there is no back way into the Kingdom of heaven. There is only one way in, YOU MUST DIE, and then be BORN AGAIN without sin, and then we must walk in the new nature and be tested because faith is the cargo we carry in these vessels, and faith must be tested to determine it's purity.

When we are born again, God says: "I have cast your sins as far as the east is from the west". If you are born again, then claim your promise and don't let false teachings, false teachers and false doctrines rob you of who you are in Christ Jesus, put on the Full Armor of God and rebuke it.
None that are born again would ever deny the dire necessity to believe on JESUS CHRIST .
no man by the SPIRIT calleth JESUS accursed .
SO do the world a favor and , expose inclusivity and its broad road , for they do not the work of the SPIRIT
though the do claim to be born of the SPIRIT .
Rather we must point to the absolute and dire necessity to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and we better make sure our jesus aint the ministir of sin , OR IT AINT JESUS CHRIST and thus it cannot save .
 
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None that are born again would ever deny the dire necessity to believe on JESUS CHRIST .
no man by the SPIRIT calleth JESUS accursed .
SO do the world a favor and , expose inclusivity and its broad road , for they do not the work of the SPIRIT
though the do claim to be born of the SPIRIT .
Rather we must point to the absolute and dire necessity to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and we better make sure our jesus aint the ministir of sin , OR IT AINT JESUS CHRIST and thus it cannot save .
I don't expose inclusivity and it's broad road, I preach Jesus and Him crucified, and to him/her that I am speaking let them choose life. Once the Gospel is preached, there are therefore no more excuses. IT AIN'T A THINKING THING or an intilectual subject matter. Trying to "DISCUSS" why everyone sins and look at the good and the evil of it is eating from the fruit of tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Count me out!
 
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when you pray ask both the Holy Spirit and Jesus to join you in prayer. Romans 8
 

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A Christian also has to repent and he shall have mercy and Christ will not only forgive but cleanses us.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 

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Can sinning can be overcome in this life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Some Preachers and even theologian do not believe that all sinning can be overcome in this life either with or without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Only certain sins can be overcome, thus they leave a 'gap' where sin can continue in our lives.

But people take this to mean that they can keep sinning as there is nothing they can do, or that these 'sins' are not really "hard sins" or "iniquity", but just part of being in a sinful world. Is that correct according to scripture?

Here are some texts on how we choose to heed the desires of our flesh, and for whatever reason, set aside the conviction of the Holy Spirit. "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" Mark 14:38.

James 1:14-15 - But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Galatians 5:17 - For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Agree. Holy Spirit is needed.

Reprobates will fight to thier last breath it isn't true or they have Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians chapter 2. Unbelievers are under control of god of this world, gospel is veiled to them. Satan has them.

Romans chapter 6. You must put away old Man, and put on the new man. Your flesh is crucified with Christ. Only Holy Spirit can do this.

Romans chapter 6
Your either servant of righteous
Or servant of Sin.

You can't serve two masters at the same time.

Servant of righteous is led by Spirit. Holy Spirit.

Servant of sins, Reprobates and heretic's follow Satan.

Peace.
 
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It's called "believe, having faith."

Sinning is faithlessness towards not loving Yahvah, and not loving your neighbor.

If you become faithful towards Yahavah, while your flesh is gonna always tend to go against anything of the holy spirit, the holy spirit will help you from getting into your fleshly ways.

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That's my take on it. I could be wrong though. Sins have been taken care of by Yeshua on the cross, and a person who comes to Yahavah, typically the old life, becomes less and less and newness of life in Christ becomes more apparent because the heart of the individual chooses to have faith no matter what, every single day.


As Rockerduck put it, we are sinners saved by grace, we do move on to also become Children of Yahavah, through adoption.

And all sins have been take care of, there is just one that remains, and typically when you believe and start and going towards Yahavha, you desire to things according to his will and not your own.

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Overcoming and killing the old man:

Let us not forget that in order to never die we need to eat of the Tree of Life and who is allowed to do that other than overcomers?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" Rev 2:7

Jesus became an overcomer before he physically died on the cross.

Joh 16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

He overcame the all the temptations of the man, Jesus.

Why would it be different for us? Has not God provided all that is needed for each of us to overcome now [rather than in some future afterlife]? Whether or not we use what He has provided is always up to us.

Ro 8:13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The mortifying is the killing of the old man. That is the overcoming process, I believe, which each of us must complete in order to eat from the Tree of Life. What must be overcome by us is not the sin itself, but the things within us which when followed will lead us back to sin again:

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" I John 2:16

No man can crucify himself...
Who was it that crucified Jesus? He did not do it himself, but he allowed it to be done...

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:18

Even so, as we yield ourselves to the Holy Spirit with us, the Holy Spirit will guide and strengthen the new man of us to kill the old man of us. The power to overcome is the Holy Spirit in us. This is why Apostle Paul admonishes us:

"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

And the Baptist says:

Joh 3:30He must increase, but I must decrease.

The new man is to be increasing as the old man is dying.

And there are battles within us...

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1

The battles rage within each of us to sin or not to sin.

The power of God never loses,

...but we have authority over God within us. That is what men call "free will".

We can keep hold of our reins [effectively giving them to the old man] or we can surrender to God [giving the reins to the Holy Spirit within us].

Leading ourselves, we will lose. The Holy Spirit leading us, we will win.

How many battles must we fight? How about until all of those things which would lead us to sin have been finally overcome? When and if that is done, then the old man would be dead and could we not then with Jesus say..?

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father..." John 17:11 When Jesus prayed that prayer, he had not yet gone to the cross, but he had overcome the last temptation of his own old man [man of fleshly desires as per those listed above in I John 2:16].

Are still in our own little world of temptations? When and if we have overcome the last adversary of our new man by the power of the Holy Spirit, would we not be where Jesus was even if we were still on planet Earth? Jesus was certainly still on planet Earth when he prayed that prayer [John 17:11], but he had already overcome his last temptation... even though he still had to suffer and die on the cross. Was Jesus not then an overcomer before he died?
 

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Overcoming and killing the old man:

Let us not forget that in order to never die we need to eat of the Tree of Life and who is allowed to do that other than overcomers?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" Rev 2:7

Jesus became an overcomer before he physically died on the cross.

Joh 16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

He overcame the all the temptations of the man, Jesus.

Why would it be different for us? Has not God provided all that is needed for each of us to overcome now [rather than in some future afterlife]? Whether or not we use what He has provided is always up to us.

Ro 8:13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The mortifying is the killing of the old man. That is the overcoming process, I believe, which each of us must complete in order to eat from the Tree of Life. What must be overcome by us is not the sin itself, but the things within us which when followed will lead us back to sin again:

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" I John 2:16

No man can crucify himself...
Who was it that crucified Jesus? He did not do it himself, but he allowed it to be done...

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:18

Even so, as we yield ourselves to the Holy Spirit with us, the Holy Spirit will guide and strengthen the new man of us to kill the old man of us. The power to overcome is the Holy Spirit in us. This is why Apostle Paul admonishes us:

"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

And the Baptist says:

Joh 3:30He must increase, but I must decrease.

The new man is to be increasing as the old man is dying.

And there are battles within us...

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1

The battles rage within each of us to sin or not to sin.

The power of God never loses,

...but we have authority over God within us. That is what men call "free will".

We can keep hold of our reins [effectively giving them to the old man] or we can surrender to God [giving the reins to the Holy Spirit within us].

Leading ourselves, we will lose. The Holy Spirit leading us, we will win.

How many battles must we fight? How about until all of those things which would lead us to sin have been finally overcome? When and if that is done, then the old man would be dead and could we not then with Jesus say..?

"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father..." John 17:11 When Jesus prayed that prayer, he had not yet gone to the cross, but he had overcome the last temptation of his own old man [man of fleshly desires as per those listed above in I John 2:16].

Are still in our own little world of temptations? When and if we have overcome the last adversary of our new man by the power of the Holy Spirit, would we not be where Jesus was even if we were still on planet Earth? Jesus was certainly still on planet Earth when he prayed that prayer [John 17:11], but he had already overcome his last temptation... even though he still had to suffer and die on the cross. Was Jesus not then an overcomer before he died?
Hi A,
Great post!
The reason I like it a lot is because we Christians need to stop writing posts that sound like it's OK to sin because somehow Christ will make up for it.

This is not what the NT teaches.
The NT teaches that we are to obey God,,,,
at least to the best of our ability - and He knows if we're doing our best or not.

Yes. Very well said !
:blush:
 

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Hi A,
Great post!
The reason I like it a lot is because we Christians need to stop writing posts that sound like it's OK to sin because somehow Christ will make up for it.

This is not what the NT teaches.
The NT teaches that we are to obey God,,,,
at least to the best of our ability - and He knows if we're doing our best or not.

Yes. Very well said !
:blush:
That's right, we must obey the Word of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 - and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [a]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

1 Sameul 15:22 - So Samuel said: “Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.
 
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That's right, we must obey the Word of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 - and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [a]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

1 Sameul 15:22 - So Samuel said: “Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.
Thanks for 2 Thess 1:7-10 !

Right....the idea of obeying is throughout the NT.
Those that depend ONLY on grace and NOT on obedience are sorely wrong.
Jesus said we are to learn from Him and obey Him if we want to be His friends. (John).
NOWHERE in the NT did Jesus ever state that we are only to believe in Him and all would be OK.
James: Be not only hearers of the Word but DOERS.

Sometimes I wonder how many verses are needed before this sinks in...
 

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Overcoming and killing the old man:

Let us not forget that in order to never die we need to eat of the Tree of Life and who is allowed to do that other than overcomers?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" Rev 2:7
John,

What are some of the things that we overcome? Bad thoughts of other people?
Jesus became an overcomer before he physically died on the cross.

Joh 16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Remember when John writes in his singlet letters about how it's now "our faith which overcomes the world."

1 John 5:4 KJV: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Is our behavior? or is it our faith? While our behaviors before become lessened they still remain. Dont they?
He overcame the all the temptations of the man, Jesus.
Absolutely, the only one born of the flesh and the spirit. Unique in every matter and every way! However, he was tempted, otherwise he had nothing to overcome. What do you think Jesus was tempted into? Remember when the devil offered him the "earthly kingdom(s)" which some may take as a spiritual vision.
Why would it be different for us? Has not God provided all that is needed for each of us to overcome now [rather than in some future afterlife]? Whether or not we use what He has provided is always up to us.

Ro 8:13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The mortifying is the killing of the old man. That is the overcoming process, I believe, which each of us must complete in order to eat from the Tree of Life. What must be overcome by us is not the sin itself, but the things within us which when followed will lead us back to sin again:
What are those deeds of the old man? Gossip? Murder (hating a neighbor)? Are those what are mortified?
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" I John 2:16
That is all that is in the world, but what is of the heavenly? What is the goodness of the Father, and his Spirit bring in our lives?
No man can crucify himself...
Who was it that crucified Jesus? He did not do it himself, but he allowed it to be done...
Israel's hatred for the ways of Yahavah. Their total disbelief in God's Son. In Rejection Yeshua, gave up his life for new life to be brought forth. It's the same for us, :).
"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." John 10:18

Even so, as we yield ourselves to the Holy Spirit with us, the Holy Spirit will guide and strengthen the new man of us to kill the old man of us. The power to overcome is the Holy Spirit in us. This is why Apostle Paul admonishes us:
That means if these thoughts in my mind come up, which leads to hateful notions. Do I have the power to put them down, or is it we trust in Yahavah, and his Son looking to them, giving them those things, in order to live a "quiet and dignified life in godliness (devotion to God.) There is at least the effort to stop and think, and also even the holy spirit notions in what is truly right to do.
"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

And the Baptist says:

Joh 3:30He must increase, but I must decrease.

The new man is to be increasing as the old man is dying.
Yes, one must build up their faith, in order to continue to walk faithfully, maturing and becoming the standard where Christ desires one to be at which is faithful to YAhvah, and believing on the son his sent, every single day.
And there are battles within us...

"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1

The battles rage within each of us to sin or not to sin.
Absolutely, our flesh wars against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh. It comes down with, who do I place on the throne of my heart at this moment. Myself, or God himself.
The power of God never loses,

...but we have authority over God within us. That is what men call "free will".

We can keep hold of our reins [effectively giving them to the old man] or we can surrender to God [giving the reins to the Holy Spirit within us].

Leading ourselves, we will lose. The Holy Spirit leading us, we will win.

How many battles must we fight? How about until all of those things which would lead us to sin have been finally overcome? When and if that is done, then the old man would be dead and could we not then with Jesus say..?
My friend, my friend told me that this life is a proving ground.

What are we to put on and put to death?

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"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father..." John 17:11 When Jesus prayed that prayer, he had not yet gone to the cross, but he had overcome the last temptation of his own old man [man of fleshly desires as per those listed above in I John 2:16].

Are still in our own little world of temptations? When and if we have overcome the last adversary of our new man by the power of the Holy Spirit, would we not be where Jesus was even if we were still on planet Earth? Jesus was certainly still on planet Earth when he prayed that prayer [John 17:11], but he had already overcome his last temptation... even though he still had to suffer and die on the cross. Was Jesus not then an overcomer before he died?

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John,

What are some of the things that we overcome? Bad thoughts of other people?
We are to overcome all of our temptations so that we are no longer tempted to sin. I John 2:16 which I quoted above pretty much covers it, I believe. Only by the power of God is this possible.
Remember when John writes in his singlet letters about how it's now "our faith which overcomes the world."

1 John 5:4 KJV: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Is our behavior? or is it our faith? While our behaviors before become lessened they still remain. Dont they?

Absolutely, the only one born of the flesh and the spirit. Unique in every matter and every way! However, he was tempted, otherwise he had nothing to overcome. What do you think Jesus was tempted into? Remember when the devil offered him the "earthly kingdom(s)" which some may take as a spiritual vision.
Jesus was tempted until he overcame his last temptation. This occurred I believe when was praying in Matt 26:39-45. Then he went before the High Priest and Pilate. He knew he was going to suffer and die but he was no longer tempted to get out of it. He allowed them to abuse him and to kill him and his flesh was no longer wanting or needing to rebel against those things. This was his cup that he had to drink [Matt 26:42].
What are those deeds of the old man? Gossip? Murder (hating a neighbor)? Are those what are mortified?
Not so much the deeds as the desire to do such deeds or the weakness which might prevent him from fighting against such desires.
That is all that is in the world, but what is of the heavenly? What is the goodness of the Father, and his Spirit bring in our lives?
The world which Jesus overcame was the weakness and temptations to which his flesh was subject. The world which we are to overcome consists of the weaknesses and temptations to which our flesh is subject. The power to overcome these things is found in the Holy Spirit within each of us.

Israel's hatred for the ways of Yahavah. Their total disbelief in God's Son. In Rejection Yeshua, gave up his life for new life to be brought forth. It's the same for us, :).

That means if these thoughts in my mind come up, which leads to hateful notions. Do I have the power to put them down, or is it we trust in Yahavah, and his Son looking to them, giving them those things, in order to live a "quiet and dignified life in godliness (devotion to God.) There is at least the effort to stop and think, and also even the holy spirit notions in what is truly right to do.

Yes, one must build up their faith, in order to continue to walk faithfully, maturing and becoming the standard where Christ desires one to be at which is faithful to YAhvah, and believing on the son his sent, every single day.
Complete surrender to our Lord in faith is the Way to overcome all. We need God's help to completely surrender. This also is impossible for man alone.
"Ask and it shall be given to you..." [from Matt 7:7].
Absolutely, our flesh wars against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh. It comes down with, who do I place on the throne of my heart at this moment. Myself, or God himself.

My friend, my friend told me that this life is a proving ground.

What are we to put on and put to death?
The death would be the death inflicted on the old man by the Holy Spirit in us.
And I love you my friend and brother in Christ.
 
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John,

What are some of the things that we overcome? Bad thoughts of other people?

Remember when John writes in his singlet letters about how it's now "our faith which overcomes the world."

1 John 5:4 KJV: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Is our behavior? or is it our faith? While our behaviors before become lessened they still remain. Dont they?

Absolutely, the only one born of the flesh and the spirit. Unique in every matter and every way! However, he was tempted, otherwise he had nothing to overcome. What do you think Jesus was tempted into? Remember when the devil offered him the "earthly kingdom(s)" which some may take as a spiritual vision.

What are those deeds of the old man? Gossip? Murder (hating a neighbor)? Are those what are mortified?

That is all that is in the world, but what is of the heavenly? What is the goodness of the Father, and his Spirit bring in our lives?

Israel's hatred for the ways of Yahavah. Their total disbelief in God's Son. In Rejection Yeshua, gave up his life for new life to be brought forth. It's the same for us, :).

That means if these thoughts in my mind come up, which leads to hateful notions. Do I have the power to put them down, or is it we trust in Yahavah, and his Son looking to them, giving them those things, in order to live a "quiet and dignified life in godliness (devotion to God.) There is at least the effort to stop and think, and also even the holy spirit notions in what is truly right to do.

Yes, one must build up their faith, in order to continue to walk faithfully, maturing and becoming the standard where Christ desires one to be at which is faithful to YAhvah, and believing on the son his sent, every single day.

Absolutely, our flesh wars against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh. It comes down with, who do I place on the throne of my heart at this moment. Myself, or God himself.

My friend, my friend told me that this life is a proving ground.

What are we to put on and put to death?

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Hi MatthewG
You confuse me!
Sometimes you write such spiritual stuff and sometimes you sound a little confused-not in a bad way.

When the NT speaks about overcoming the world, I believe it means the world paradigm - or the view that we have of the world.
The way we see it and how we think it functions.

The world is not a God-friendly place. There are many strange ideas floating around. Hardly any weddings anymore - we'd see 2 or 3 weddings every weekend when I first moved here. The cars would honk their horns and it seemed to be a joyous occasion. Nowadays, no more honking of horns - most just move in together. What kind of a commitment is that?

Another way to look at this is to see how much people are mean to each other and the language they speak - even taking God's name in vain.

So, yes, God wants us to overcome all these strange ideas that the world has - or, at least, they should seem strange to us.

And Jesus doesn't want us to follow Him because we need the walk...
He wants us to follow Him so we could change and be transformed into something better.
You feel hatred toward someone?
Try to figure out how to make that hatred go away....
Maybe it could be by deciding that the hatred is hurting YOU more than the person you hate.

Maybe you speak evil words or just plain not nice words.
James said that if we think we're religious/faithful, and do not control our tongue - our faith is worthless.
James 1:26

So yes, we are new wine skins into which we pour new wine.
Be a new wine skin.
Be transformed into what Jesus would like you to be.

Believing is not just a thought or some kind of emotion...
It's DOING what Jesus would want you to do.

Be doers of the word and not only hearers of the word, thus deceiving yourself.
James 1:22
 

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Hi Godsgrace?


I think I’m pretty clear in my questions to John. What may be confusing to you? Probably isn’t to me. So without all that you wrote can you just ask me directly what it is you are confused on?

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Hi Godsgrace?


I think I’m pretty clear in my questions to John. What may be confusing to you? Probably isn’t to me. So without all that you wrote can you just ask me directly what it is you are confused on?

Thank you.
OK, you're right.
Sorry.
Here's my simple question:
Are you one of those persons that believes that no matter what you do you'll be "covered by the blood"...
or are you one of those persons that believes that we must BELIEVE and OBEY God in order to receive salvation at the end of our life?

Your post to the other member seems to not be on either side, or both sides.
I'm sure it's me that's confused - as I've stated...

You could reply or not, I'm not here to judge but only to post my understanding of the NT.
I'm one that believes we must HAVE FAITH and OBEY.
 
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OK, you're right.
Sorry.
Here's my simple question:
Good morning, GG,
Are you one of those persons that believes that no matter what you do you'll be "covered by the blood"...
From my perspective, I'm one of those persons who say you need to choose to either have faith every day, or just go on about your day faithless. Up to you.
or are you one of those persons that believes that we must BELIEVE and OBEY God in order to receive salvation at the end of our life?
From my perspective, I am one of those persons that says: There are only two destinations. Outside or inside of the Kingdom.

Also as a follower of Yeshua, the objective reality is to have faith every day, and make the choice to Love God, and love others. (in my opinion.)

If Angels walked and left their abode, for other things, even Christians can walk away from Yahavah, and he allows them to do so.
Your post to the other member seems to not be on either side, or both sides.
I'm sure it's me that's confused - as I've stated...
Thank you for your the question and hopefully this helps you understand.
You could reply or not, I'm not here to judge but only to post my understanding of the NT.
Fair enough, I believe the new testament is the new covenant concerning where Yahavah writes on the minds and hearts of those who are his, and that he is the one to go to, and submit your prayers and supplications towards. I love the apostolic record - (Matthew - Revelation.)
I'm one that believes we must HAVE FAITH and OBEY.
I am one that believe people either choose to have this day to have faith, and love, or harden their heart choose faith in faithlessness over faith in Yahavah.
 

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Good morning, GG,

From my perspective, I'm one of those persons who say you need to choose to either have faith every day, or just go on about your day faithless. Up to you.

From my perspective, I am one of those persons that says: There are only two destinations. Outside or inside of the Kingdom.

Also as a follower of Yeshua, the objective reality is to have faith every day, and make the choice to Love God, and love others. (in my opinion.)

If Angels walked and left their abode, for other things, even Christians can walk away from Yahavah, and he allows them to do so.

Thank you for your the question and hopefully this helps you understand.

Fair enough, I believe the new testament is the new covenant concerning where Yahavah writes on the minds and hearts of those who are his, and that he is the one to go to, and submit your prayers and supplications towards. I love the apostolic record - (Matthew - Revelation.)

I am one that believe people either choose to have this day to have faith, and love, or harden their heart choose faith in faithlessness over faith in Yahavah.
Thanks for the reply.
I think we're on the same wavelength.
I plan on being on this forum for a long time so I like getting to know other members that post frequently and seem to have
my own interests on subject matter.

Indeed love covers a multitude of sins and is, I believe, the basic teaching of Christ.
In fact His two Commandments of love covers everything of God's law (the 10 Commandments).

Also agreed on the New Covenant.
Really the same as the Mosaic Covenant - except we now have the possibility of obeying because God wrote on our
hearts.

And, indeed, we have free will to stay close to God or to leave Him behind.