CharismaticLady
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This is how I know you do NOT hear from God.
I can, but you seem to be suffering from delusions.
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This is how I know you do NOT hear from God.
I can, but you seem to be suffering from delusions.
CharismaticLady
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I know this is your first day on this site, but already I'm putting you on ignore.
That means I won't be bothered having to see any of your vile posts. They won't show up on my computer.
CharismaticLady
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Grailhunter
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Thanks, that way I do not have to run interference. What he says to me will not matter at all.
Pretty obvious he's a troll wanting attention. Why give it to him then?
Oh boy!
You really can't stop making snide, false statements, can you? What on earth is the point of trying to be pleasant to you when you come out with this sort of stuff. Presbyterian churches have presbyteries; the clue is in the name. How many Baptist churches do you know that have Presbyteries?
And some Calvinists since the 1630s have practised Believers' Baptism and independency.
Sheesh!
I do not understand why you believe my comment was snide. I am not saying that Reformed Baptist churches are Presbyterian churches that affirm believers baptism. I am saying that Reformed Baptist churches are closer to Presbyterian doctrine than Calvinistic Baptists. The reason I believe this is this explanation of what it means to be Reformed Baptist rather than Calvinistic Baptist:
Going off your definition it seems to me that Reformed Baptist hold more to traditional Reformed doctrine (the doctrine of the Presbyterian Church) than Calvinistic Baptists. I understood them to hold to Covenant Theology rathe rthan dispensationalism (both are distinctly Calvinistic, although shared by other views, but I always thought Covenant Theology more in line with Reformed Tradition).
You accused me of being "snide" because I believe that Calvinism started in the 16th century. Now you accuse me of being "snide" because I believe Reformed Baptists are closer to Reformed Theology than the general term Calvinistic Baptist?????
How is that being snide?
CharismaticLady
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CharismaticLady
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Proof? Just read the 82 pages before this. Catch up!
CharismaticLady
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The Dead Church
3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. (That would be the warped doctrine of grace of Luther and Calvin) 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. (Two names come to mind that tried to reform Calvinism: Jacob Arminius and John Wesley who brought back holiness)5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
John 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. (a child of God) 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
The dead doctrine thinks Jesus freed us from the penalty of the law TO sin without penalty, and not the truth of freedom FROM sin to be righteous.
3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. (That would be the warped doctrine of grace of Luther and Calvin) 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. (Two names come to mind that tried to reform Calvinism: Jacob Arminius and John Wesley who brought back holiness)5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
John 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. (a child of God) 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
The dead doctrine thinks Jesus freed us from the penalty of the law TO sin without penalty, and not the truth of freedom FROM sin to be righteous.
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I have looked, and I can't find where I did that. I called you 'wrong,' and of course you are. 'Calvinism' is far older than Calvin.
'"You did not choose Me," Christ says, "but I chose you." Such grace is beyond description. What were we, apart from Christ's choice of us, when we were empty of love? What were we but sinful and lost? We did not lead Him to choose us by believing in Him; for if Christ chose people who already believed, then we chose Him before He chose us. How then could He say, "You did not choose Me," unless His mercy came before our faith? Here is the faulty reasoning of those who say that God chose us before the creation of the world, not in order to make us good, but because He foreknew that we would be good. This was not the view of Him who said, "You did not choose Me." We were not chosen because of our goodness, for we could not be good without being chosen. Grace is no longer grace if human goodness comes first.
Listen, you ungrateful person, listen! "You did not choose Me, but I chose you." Do not say, "I was chosen because I first believed." If you first believed you had already chosen Him.'
[Augustine of Hippo, Commentary on John 15:16. Plenty more where that came from]
Yes Steve.
Calvinistic churches are more like Presbyterian churches than non-Calvinistic churches.
I alse believe non-Calvinistic churches are less like Presbyterian Churches than are Calvinustic churches.
The reason I believe this is Calvinistic churches hold a very similar soteriology when compared to Presbyterian churches. Non-Calvinistic churches have less in common.
Reformed Baptist churches are, typically, even closer. They are often confessional and many times affirm Covenant theology.
But they are not Presbyterian churches that accept believers baptism. There are differences.
If this seems confusing - consider the differences between Baptist theology and Anabaptist theology. That may help if you are not very familiar with Calvinism (I know that is not your family tradition).
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