Calvinism

[Preacher4Truth]

Does the word of God come out only from them, or is it open to any private interpretation?
It’s my opinion that what I’m confirming here is what Calvin is saying. How could Paul be saying he received salvation at his biological birth?

Quote Calvin. Paul didn't say he received salvation at his physical birth, that's adding to the text.

 

[Waiting on him]

Quote Calvin. Paul didn't say he received salvation at his physical birth, that's adding to the text.

Neither did I say that. It had to of been at his spiritual birth.
ABOVE.

 

[Willie T]

What would be the reason for either Heaven or Hell to be required to exist in a specific location? Is it necessary for us, as we exist in a "location" today, to have to GO some place to feel loneliness, hopelessness, heartache, fear, paranoia, or a myriad of other horrible internal emotions? These are all 'states' of thought, or mind, we experience with often no external stimulus, at all. It matters not where we might be.

 

[Waiting on him]

Quote Calvin. Paul didn't say he received salvation at his physical birth, that's adding to the text.

Sorry I’m not interested in building upon Calvin’s foundation

 

[Waiting on him]

Sorry I’m not interested in building upon Calvin’s foundation

I will quote scripture though

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Sorry I’m not interested in building upon Calvin’s foundation

Now you're being silly. All I asked was for you to provide what he said.

 

[Waiting on him]

Now you're being silly. All I asked was for you to provide what he said.

I have no idea what he’s said.

 

[Waiting on him]

Now you're being silly. All I asked was for you to provide what he said.

Do you believe that the Spirit of God can lead men individually?

 

[Waiting on him]

What would be the reason for either Heaven or Hell to be required to exist in a specific location? Is it necessary for us, as we exist in a "location" today, to have to GO some place to feel loneliness, hopelessness, heartache, fear, paranoia, or a myriad of other horrible internal emotions? These are all 'states' of thought, or mind, we experience with often no external stimulus, at all. It matters not where we might be.

My answer to that would be REJOICE.

 

[Grailhunter]

The thing is, that you keep making the statement when did God predestined men to hell, but you seem to know nothing about Hell where it is what it is.

What do we know about hell? What do we know about shoal? What do we know about heaven?
The spirit world is not well defined in the Bible. I get the point. You are not the first to ask. People have been asking that for centuries. Heaven is offered as a reward and spiritual destination, but not to much is explained about it other than it is beautiful and wonderful. Alternatively hell is awful.

 

[Waiting on him]

What do we know about hell? What do we know about shoal? What do we know about heaven?
The spirit world is not well defined in the Bible. I get the point. You are not the first to ask. People have been asking that for centuries. Heaven is offered as a reward and spiritual destination, but not to much is explained about it other than it is beautiful and wonderful. Alternatively hell is awful.

Ok, what of post 1056 any thoughts there?

 

[Grailhunter]

Ok, what of post 1056 any thoughts there?

Are you talking about these scriptures?
Galatians 1:15-16 KJV
[15] But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, [16] To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

What do you believe Paul is referring to here, his biological birth or his spiritual birth from above, Jerusalem above which is the mother of us all?
Tecarta Bible

 

[Waiting on him]

Are you talking about these scriptures?
Galatians 1:15-16 KJV
[15] But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, [16] To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

What do you believe Paul is referring to here, his biological birth or his spiritual birth from above, Jerusalem above which is the mother of us all?
Tecarta Bible

Yes

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you talking about these scriptures?
Galatians 1:15-16 KJV
[15] But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, [16] To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

What do you believe Paul is referring to here, his biological birth or his spiritual birth from above, Jerusalem above which is the mother of us all?
Tecarta Bible

His biological birth or his spiritual birth.....both.

I have lived it. God can have a plan for you and work with and influence you, offer you a path, a mission. He can even give you talents. You know the story about talents. I was set up to be what I am. In this thread which involves the topic of predestination....it is for sure that God has that power....it is just that it is the exception, not the rule. Why does God love us? Is He part of our lives? Is He part of our lives because that is why he created us? Does He work with us? Give us choices to see what we will do? Does He rejoice when we succeed?

A metaphor for Jerusalem as mother?....this is the neat thing about scriptures....I believe the Word of God is living.....which means that, that scripture may mean something to you, that God wants you to consider. It is actually an interesting topic and concept. Can God use the dried ink on that paper to deliver a new message to you, that the guy next to you will just read and get the literal sentence. God...the Holy Spirit...Christ, working with you. Wanting to give you a message. It can be a blessing.

I think that it is very apparent that Christ worked with Paul and like so many in the OT, He wanted to use him as a champion for Christianity. But "worked with" is the correct phrase. Christ did not program Paul, as you can read in his letters His understanding of Christianity evolved as his ministry moved along.

 

[Grailhunter]

Edited that last post

 

[Waiting on him]

A metaphor for Jerusalem as mother?....this is the neat thing about scriptures....I believe the Word of God is living.....which means that, that scripture may mean something to you, that God wants you to consider. It is actually an interesting topic and concept. Can God use the dried ink on that paper to deliver a new message to you, that the guy next to you will just read and get the literal sentence. God...the Holy Spirit...Christ, working with you. Wanting to give you a message. It can be a blessing

I don’t understand are you say scripture is open to anyone’s private interpretation?



Galatians 4:26 KJV
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Once again biological mother ?
Spiritual mother?
Tecarta Bible

 

[Grailhunter]

I don’t understand are you say scripture is open to anyone’s private interpretation?



Galatians 4:26 KJV
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Once again biological mother ?
Spiritual mother?
Tecarta Bible

I believe the Word of God is living and can deliver a message to you. Still retaining its original meaning but also thought provoking.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe the Word of God is living and can deliver a message to you. Still retaining its original meaning but also thought provoking.

Sounds like your saying is I can believe scripture says anything I choose for it to say and accept that as Gods truth. While others here state what I believe has to be taken from some alleged teacher/commentator.
I have a totally different view.

 

[Grailhunter]

Sounds like your saying is I can believe scripture says anything I choose for it to say and accept that as Gods truth. While others here state what I believe has to be taken from some alleged teacher/commentator.
I have a totally different view.

That is not what I am saying at all. I believe the Trinity can speak to you through the scriptures. The scriptures can have a literal meaning and God can speak to you through them. As far as scriptures go...teachers and commentators are just what they are...reference maternal. It is one of the things I keep saying. Read and know the Bible backward and forwards. Then step back to see the forest. To see the Spirit of Christ...the Spirit of Christianity. What was the character of Christ? What did He do and why? Why would a God give His only begotten Son....why would His only begotten Son be willing to go through the ordeal of the Passion to save us? To call us friends? To adopt us into the family of God? Why would they care? Why did they do what they did?

 

[Grailhunter]

That is not what I am saying at all. I believe the Trinity can speak to you through the scriptures. The scriptures can have a literal meaning and God can speak to you through them. As far as scriptures go...teachers and commentator are just what they are...reference maternal. It is one of the things I keep saying. Read and know the Bible backward and forwards. Then step back to see the forest. To see the Spirit of Christ...the Spirit of Christianity. What was the character of Christ? What did He do and why? Why would a God give His only begotten Son....why would His only begotten Son be willing to go through the ordeal of the Passion to save us? To call us friends? To adopt us into the family of God? Why would they care? Why did they do what they did?

How can you know the truth of the Bible without knowing the Spirit of Christianity. Wisdom is just not the calculating mind, it is the ability to understand that calculation. That is why saved is a moment in time...the faith that makes it so. But repentance and salvation and sanctification is a walk with Christ and an understanding