Calvinism + TULIP : Will get you Killed... (Vol 2)

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That verse shows you put forth false information

This verse teaches that 2000 yrs ago, Christianity would get you killed by unbelievers, including being fed to lions and boiled in oil...and also set on fire and left to hang and burn like a TORCH..... and that the needful thing, was to PRAY and ask God to keep you save from those who had no faith in Christ .

 

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@Behold

What Holy God requires is that we take OUR faith and place it in Christ

False, God doesnt require faith of sinful man who is dead in sin, but He gives Faith in Christ to the elect causing them to believe, for believing Faith is by Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:

 

[brightfame52]

This verse teaches that 2000 yrs ago, Christianity would get you killed by unbelievers, including being fed to lions and boiled in oil...and also set on fire and left to hang and burn like a TORCH..... and that the needful thing, was to PRAY and ask God to keep you save from those who had no faith in Christ .

That verse shows you utter that which is false,

Your false statement

Everyone has faith, as we are born with it. Romans 12:2

The truth 2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Behold]

@Behold



False, God doesnt require faith of sinful man

God requires our faith in Christ ...........not His being forced through you..... as Lying Hyper Calvinists teach.

God is not looking for HIS FAITH.....as If He is making it "irresistible" to force you to believe, then God is not allowing you to believe.
He's forcing you.

And that is a LIE, and hyper-calvinism is the LIAR..= "TULIP" is the doctrine of devils that is an anti-Cross Theology.

Its OF THE DEVIL.
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Notice what John Wesley said...

JOHN Wesley stated :

= that Calvinism portrays God as "worse than the devil," suggesting that the doctrine of unconditional predestination leads to a view of God as cruel and unjust. He stated, "You represent him as mocking his helpless creatures, by offering what he never intends to give" This reflects his belief that Calvinism's implications are blasphemous, as it suggests God predestines some to damnation without any hope for redemption.

John Wesley also taught that the logical conclusions of Calvinism imply a God who is more malevolent than the devil, arguing that it makes God the "devouring lion" and "murderer of men" He criticized the idea that God could force individuals into sin and damnation, emphasizing that such a view misrepresents God's character.

 

[brightfame52]

There is no other Name, given by God, under heaven.... by which a person may believe and be born again.

Jesus said, "I am THE WAY".. and He isn't kidding.

Only the Name of Jesus.

"All who call on (that name) by faith, shall be saved".

Jesus told us that "ALL, (not just the elect) who believe in me, i give unto them, eternal Life, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish).

Faith is for the elect Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

 

[brightfame52]

God requires our faith in Christ ...........not His being forced through you..... as Lying Hyper Calvinists teach.

God is not looking for HIS FAITH.....as If He is making it "irresistible" to force you to believe, then God is not allowing you to believe.
He's forcing you.

And that is a LIE, and hyper-calvinism is the LIAR..= "TULIP" is the doctrine of devils that is an anti-Cross Theology.

Its OF THE DEVIL.
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Notice what John Wesley said...

JOHN Wesley stated :

= that Calvinism portrays God as "worse than the devil," suggesting that the doctrine of unconditional predestination leads to a view of God as cruel and unjust. He stated, "You represent him as mocking his helpless creatures, by offering what he never intends to give" This reflects his belief that Calvinism's implications are blasphemous, as it suggests God predestines some to damnation without any hope for redemption.

John Wesley also taught that the logical conclusions of Calvinism imply a God who is more malevolent than the devil, arguing that it makes God the "devouring lion" and "murderer of men" He criticized the idea that God could force individuals into sin and damnation, emphasizing that such a view misrepresents God's character.

False, God doesnt require faith of sinful man who is dead in sin, but He gives Faith in Christ to the elect causing them to believe, for believing Faith is by Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through[because of] grace:

 

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1 Corinthians 2​

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2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

 

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Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

"according to the faith of the elect"

is

I Paul, speaking according to my faith in Christ, and according to the TRUTH.....

I Paul, because i have faith in Christ, which has placed me in the position of a Child of God, .....

 

[Behold]

False, God doesnt require faith of sinful man

God is not looking for His faith.
He doesn't need it.

He is requiring that the SINNER, turn from their UNBELIEF (REPENT) and this is to turn to FAITH in Christ... which means to give OUR FAITH in Christ, to God.

When we give OUR FAITH to God.. then OUR "Faith is counted by GOD as (Christ's) Righteousness""

 

[brightfame52]

"according to the faith of the elect"

is

I Paul, speaking according to my faith in Christ, and according to the TRUTH.....

I Paul, because i have faith in Christ, which has placed me in the position of a Child of God, .....

Yes its only the elect who will be given Faith to believe the Truth, its hidden from the rest.

Matt 11 25

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Matt 1311

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

 

[brightfame52]

God is not looking for His faith.
He doesn't need it.

He is requiring that the SINNER, turn from their UNBELIEF (REPENT) and this is to turn to FAITH in Christ... which means to give OUR FAITH in Christ, to God.

When we give OUR FAITH to God.. then OUR "Faith is counted by GOD as (Christ's) Righteousness""

God doesnt require faith of sinful man, sinful dead men have no faith Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[Behold]

God doesnt require faith

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Lets look deeper now., into this "Doctrine of Devils" that started with Calvin, and was evolved into Hyper-Calvinism (TULIP) "the 5 points".

A "TULIP"> a hyper calvinist, a "5-point">.. is one who believes in Calvinism = extremism .

So, both the Calvinist and the Hyper, have been led to believe that Paul the Apostle is a Calvinist. a 5 Point Hyper Calvinist.
And that is what they TEACH and BELIEVE.

So, lets look at that, and then i'll show you one more, in the next post..

First, lets understand why a person goes to hell and not to heaven..
Its simply because they "died in their sin, never forgiven", and were never born again. So, they died separated from God, by their Sin..
So, that situation, does not allow you to go to Heaven, because you were not forgiven all your sin.... born 'In Christ" as "one with God", before you died.
This is why Jesus told us.....>"YOU, MUST, be born again", and if you are not you are not a Son/Daughter of God when you died, and so your eternity is spent, where those who are not born again Sons/Daughters of God, end up... and that is not in Heaven......
There is only one other option. : HELL.

Now, Calvin and the Hyper-Calvinist, teach that Paul is a 5-point Hyper Calvinist, as they teach that a few verses that Paul wrote, that they SEE as meaning what Calvin teaches and others who evolved Calvins theology in Hyper-Calvinism.., proves that Paul is a Calvinist, and a Hyper Calvinist.
They believe that a few of Paul's verses teach the 5-points of Hyper- Calvinism as well as Calvinism.

So, listen now.... as you have to see this... in your understanding.

If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist....... as Paul RECEIVED all His Theology "not from any man, but from the LORD", Himself.
So, If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist., according to Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism that is "the 5 Points"..(TULIP).

Therefore, if Paul and The Lord Jesus The Christ are both Calvinists, then they will understand "pre-destined" to believe."
They will understand "pre-chosen" to believe"
They will understand "God causes you to believe or you can't".
And they will teach that always.

Now, lets look at some Verses..

1.) "their remainth no more sacrifice for your sin" because you have "willfully sinned", the sin of UNBELIEF... "just as your Father's did".

So, those verses are Hebrews 6 & 10.. .and this one..

“'"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY Spirit.!""""

So, Hyper Calvinism, teaches that this isn't possible, as you have no free will..
Yet if the Forum member can read, you Just read PAUL tell Christ rejectors, that "THEY...ALWAYS resist the Holy Spirit."
This means that Paul is one confused Calvinist, Hyper Calvinist, or that Calvinism and the "5-points" (TULIP) is a "doctrine of Devils"., as Paul just blamed them for their "resisting the Holy Spirit" that the '5-points" of Hyper Calvinism, says isn't possible.

Now when you read that "you always RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT", then that is "you are resisting the Truth, that is the Gospel being revealed to you".., and that is also Hebrews 10".. ."If you willfully sin"...(will not believe in Jesus, willfully) there remainth no more JESUS FOR YOU... "there remaineth no more SACRIFICE for your SIN." because of your Willful decision to reject the Sacrifice who is JESUS ON THE CROSS.

So, then If Paul is the "5-point" Hyper Calvinist, who teaches that "you can't choose Christ unless you are caused to believe by the HS"............. then Paul just lied when He taught us that = THEY Resisted the Holy Spirit = Willfully........as does every Christ Rejector.

Notice that Paul didnt say..>>"well, dont worry about it, because you were just not chosen to believe".

Look now at Acts 28:28... as this is actually Hebrews 10... in the Book of the "ACTS of the Apostles."
Paul said to UNBELIEVING JEWS........>>"I will take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and they will Believe it".
So, if these JEWS were "pre-chosen" to not be the "5-Point, Hyper-Calvin" "chosen to believe" .. then you notice that Paul didnt say... "no worries, you can't believe because you are not of the chosen to believe"..

Reader, why did Paul forget all his Hyper-Calvinism, and "TULIP"< "5-points" in these Verses?

A.) Its because Paul is not a Calvinst.. Paul is not a "5-Point " TULIP... = Deceiver.

 

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Lets look now at JESUS ............who is supposed to be the original Calvinist, and 5-point TULIP author.... who taught Paul to be the same, according to Calvinists and Hyper-Calvinist who are of the "5 points".. (TULIP). (Hyper-Calvinism).

Notice Reader,

You have Thomas the Apostle, who said.. "I WILL NOT BELIEVE, unless I see the proof.. i have to see the nail prints, the wound in the side.... feel them".

So, Thomas is an UNBELIEVER, and just told you so, and He is an APOSTLE, whom Jesus Chose.
Now.. Jesus is resurrected and appears to all the Apostles.
He goes directly to Thomas the Unbeliever.. and says....

"LOOK< Touch... BELIEVE>...

And Thomas then does, BELIEVE..... and says. while kneeling.. "MY LORD< and my GOD". (KJV).

And Jesus says, """"blessed are those who BELIEVE without SEEING..""""

Now do you see that Reader?
Jesus just stated that Thomas BELIEVED, because HE SAW... with His EYES.

And So, apparently, Jesus forgot to say..."Well, you didnt believe because you saw me,.... you only believed because you were pre-destined to believe.".

So... Jesus forgot to be a 5-Point Hyper Calvinist in this verse..

Why?

A.) Because JESUS is not a CALVINIST and Jesus is not a Hyper-Calvinist, "TULIP"> "5-point" : Deceiver.

 

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Lets look deeper now., into this "Doctrine of Devils" that started with Calvin, and was evolved into Hyper-Calvinism (TULIP) "the 5 points".

A "TULIP"> a hyper calvinist, a "5-point">.. is one who believes in Calvinism = extremism .

So, both the Calvinist and the Hyper, have been led to believe that Paul the Apostle is a Calvinist. a 5 Point Hyper Calvinist.
And that is what they TEACH and BELIEVE.

So, lets look at that, and then i'll show you one more, in the next post..

First, lets understand why a person goes to hell and not to heaven..
Its simply because they "died in their sin, never forgiven", and were never born again. So, they died separated from God, by their Sin..
So, that situation, does not allow you to go to Heaven, because you were not forgiven all your sin.... born 'In Christ" as "one with God", before you died.
This is why Jesus told us.....>"YOU, MUST, be born again", and if you are not you are not a Son/Daughter of God when you died, and so your eternity is spent, where those who are not born again Sons/Daughters of God, end up... and that is not in Heaven......
There is only one other option. : HELL.

Now, Calvin and the Hyper-Calvinist, teach that Paul is a 5-point Hyper Calvinist, as they teach that a few verses that Paul wrote, that they SEE as meaning what Calvin teaches and others who evolved Calvins theology in Hyper-Calvinism.., proves that Paul is a Calvinist, and a Hyper Calvinist.
They believe that a few of Paul's verses teach the 5-points of Hyper- Calvinism as well as Calvinism.

So, listen now.... as you have to see this... in your understanding.

If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist....... as Paul RECEIVED all His Theology "not from any man, but from the LORD", Himself.
So, If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist., according to Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism that is "the 5 Points"..(TULIP).

Therefore, if Paul and The Lord Jesus The Christ are both Calvinists, then they will understand "pre-destined" to believe."
They will understand "pre-chosen" to believe"
They will understand "God causes you to believe or you can't".
And they will teach that always.

Now, lets look at some Verses..

1.) "their remainth no more sacrifice for your sin" because you have "willfully sinned", the sin of UNBELIEF... "just as your Father's did".

So, those verses are Hebrews 6 & 10.. .and this one..

“'"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY Spirit.!""""

So, Hyper Calvinism, teaches that this isn't possible, as you have no free will..
Yet if the Forum member can read, you Just read PAUL tell Christ rejectors, that "THEY...ALWAYS resist the Holy Spirit."
This means that Paul is one confused Calvinist, Hyper Calvinist, or that Calvinism and the "5-points" (TULIP) is a "doctrine of Devils"., as Paul just blamed them for their "resisting the Holy Spirit" that the '5-points" of Hyper Calvinism, says isn't possible.

Now when you read that "you always RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT", then that is "you are resisting the Truth, that is the Gospel being revealed to you".., and that is also Hebrews 10".. ."If you willfully sin"...(will not believe in Jesus, willfully) there remainth no more JESUS FOR YOU... "there remaineth no more SACRIFICE for your SIN." because of your Willful decision to reject the Sacrifice who is JESUS ON THE CROSS.

So, then If Paul is the "5-point" Hyper Calvinist, who teaches that "you can't choose Christ unless you are caused to believe by the HS"............. then Paul just lied when He taught us that = THEY Resisted the Holy Spirit = Willfully........as does every Christ Rejector.

Notice that Paul didnt say..>>"well, dont worry about it, because you were just not chosen to believe".

Look now at Acts 28:28... as this is actually Hebrews 10... in the Book of the "ACTS of the Apostles."
Paul said to UNBELIEVING JEWS........>>"I will take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and they will Believe it".
So, if these JEWS were "pre-chosen" to not be the "5-Point, Hyper-Calvin" "chosen to believe" .. then you notice that Paul didnt say... "no worries, you can't believe because you are not of the chosen to believe"..

Reader, why did Paul forget all his Hyper-Calvinism, and "TULIP"< "5-points" in these Verses?

A.) Its because Paul is not a Calvinst.. Paul is not a "5-Point " TULIP... = Deceiver.

Lets look at your false teaching closer 2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

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1 Corinthians 12-14​

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way

 

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Is everyone born with a measure of faith?
Romans 12:3 says, “For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” God has dealt to every man THE measure of faith.

Does God give everyone a measure of faith?
According to Romans 12:3, God has given every believer “the measure of faith”(KJV). That phrase, “the measure of faith,” tells us something powerful about faith and the Christian walk and how it applies to you.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

IF God called you to become a Calvinist, then your words have some Truth in them..
If He didnt, then you have an issue that your'e not aware of... yet., that im aware of... completely.
There is still time, you're still breathing.

Just remember that God Creates CHRISTians...........and John Calvin creates CALVINISTS... and those are not the same.

Yes, God called me to be a Calvinist at Calvin Seminary with a semester course on the Institutes taught by a Calvinism expert. That is the Calvinism that I consider to be biblical that I have shared with you. God allowed me to be christened a Methodist, grow up in and join a theologically-liberal church, became a believer in a Baptist church, attend a cult, and then join the Christian Reformed Church as the most biblically-correct theology, in my opinion.

 

[JunChosen]

Your verse says that people are born again, based on (because of) Jesus being raised from the Dead.
And that this birth in the spirit, is based on God's Grace.
That's all true, as that is all a Gift, its all mercy, and its freely given to everyone.
Calvin changes that Truth, into His Lie, and rewrites it as.. "God chose some to believe"
And God didnt.
What God does is offer Jesus to us all.,... John 3:16..... and we choose what we do with this Gift from God.

I beg to differ! The gift of faith is NEVER Freely given to everyone! Only to those whom the Father named, elected and chosen to salvation before the foundation of the world then gave them to His Son, Jesus.to redeem their sins (see Matthew 1:21}.

Your exegete of John 3:16 is in error because of you lacking knowledge in understing Bible doctrines and it's interpretations!! The word "whosoever" there can only be understood as the elect and NOT everyone!

There is No Offer of Jesus to the world. He was sent by the Father especially to redeem the sins of the elect only.

Now, where some get confused, is.......>"but doesn't the Holy Spirit lead us to believe"?
And yes, He leads us to believe, but He does not cause us to believe.
That's the distinction, that a Calvinist, cant grasp, because Calvin's mental trap keeps them from seeing this simple truth.

The Holy Spirit does not lead anyone to believe but rather to convey the truths of the Bible.

See, ..the HS, REVEALS to us, that "you need to be forgiven, and Jesus is your Forgiveness".......but the HS does not go inside you, and make you have faith to Believe.

He shows you the truth, and enlightens you, and then YOU decide what you do with this Gospel.

You make the decision, not God...............to believe in Jesus, once you KNOW to do it.

So, the KNOWING is Caused by the HS, but the Believing is YOUR DECISION..

Truly the Holy Spirit is inside every believer. "He that is in you is greater than he that is in the world." I'm surprised at your teaching, that is the decision maker is you and not God. No wonder you're a mess! Calvin has been taking your time away from Bible study. Whereas everyone here is speaking of the Lord Jesus and God, you are promulgating Calvin and Tulip. What an obssession!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

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God allowed me to be christened a Methodist,

Actually you chose your decision.
You get to choose the next one.. so, if you decide to be a Baptist, or a Scientologist, you are correct that God allows your free will choices.

 

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Is everyone born with a measure of faith?

Yes.

Everyone has the capacity to believe.

This is called Trust.

All have it, as its built into us, by God's design.

This is why an unbeliever can be a WILLFUL unbeliever, as you find in Hebrews 10:26.

Why dont Buddhists believe in Jesus? Its because they have faith in something else.

Why is Tom Cruise a Scientologist? Its because that is where he placed HIS FAITH.

See, everyone has faith to believe........but only those who place it in Christ will be forgiven their sin..
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Now, does God reveal Jesus to people?

A.) = All the time, .. as that is what The Cross does.......worldwide, ... 24/7.

Right now the Cross of Christ is calling the world of unbelievers to come and TRUST IN JESUS.

Does the Holy Spirit cause people to KNOW this truth?.......Of course, but He does not cause you to then put your faith in what you KNOW.

As that is on us.....that is our part........as WE are the BELIEVERS.