Calvinism + TULIP : Will get you Killed... (Vol 2)

[Behold]

Reader,

1.) Everyone has faith, as we are born with it. Romans 12:3

What Holy God requires is that we take OUR faith and place it in Christ, before we die, or we die "in our sins" and will go to Hell, as to die unforgiven, having never trusted in Christ, never born again, is to commit the unpardonable sin.. .. that is the Hebrews 10 sin, of "willful sinning".
Thousands died today, having committed it..., and many were water baptized and were taught that "the water washed away your sin".
It didnt, and Hell showed them it didnt.

So, when we take OUR faith, and place our faith in Christ......... then God's GRACE, accepts OUR FAITH in Christ... and He justifies us, by accepting our Faith as righteousness.

Brain dead Calvinism, and its bastard step child TULIP, were created by people who are Cross denying Heretics who deny John 3:16, and Deny God's Grace, and reject the Truth regarding The Cross of Christ as God Designed it to be freely given. to "all who will come" "whosoever will believe".

2.) How to die early : by Calvinism + TULIP

Calvinism and TULIP will get you killed, also.... Reader/.
How..????...= Because once you are brain locked by this "doctrine of devils" and your mind is completely blinded by this obsession with "pre-destined" everything.. then when Satan gives you cancer, or something worse.. you are so CALVINISED and so TULIP'd that you will falsely believe that God gave it to you. And now you can't pray to God for a healing because you BELIEVE that God is causing your Cancer, or your blood disease, or your Kidney Failure, or your blindness.
So you will die.

See that?
Satan is laughing at you... on your way to the grave.
Why? Because He killed you with the disease + Calvinism + TULIP>...by having you believe that God caused it.. "pre-destined" it.

A.) Calvin and TULIP just KILLED you...., and the Devil did it to you, and you went to the grave early....= falsely believing that GOD "Pre-destined" your death by disease, that sent you to the grave, early.

 

[Behold]

Now, Reader.

I realize that on this forum, there are some deeply devout (Calvinist and TULIP) worshipers who feel the need, the burning flesh obsession to come and take a Stand for John Calvin's Doctrine of Devils.
And these same will be infected, mentally, with a Doctrine, connected to Calvinism, which is TULIP.

Now, people who have this mental stronghold, this odd theological psychosis, will need to preach their Calvinism, and their Hyper Calvinism (TULIP), as all of Calvin's Disciples, are obsessed with talking about Him, and His Teaching, or Talking about TULIP that is connected to Calvin's Doctrine of Devils.
I understand what is wrong with you, and i understand that its nearly impossible to come OUT of the spiritual Darkness that is : Calvinism and TULIP.
So, be that as it may, and even tho your entire ministry is Grace Denying Heresy, and Cross Offending theology.........i do hope that if you find yourself in a situation where Death is at your door....or at the door of someone you love...... you will come to realize that God didnt pre-destine you or them to be sick, which will free you to trust in God for the Healing that is to be manifested through God's Grace and the Blood of Jesus.

God is our HEALER, and the Blood of Jesus is given so that we may have our healing and have our redemption. = Freely.

Reader, now remember what i told you, if you are a Calvinist or a TULIP obsessed or you are someone who has been listening to one of these liars, and they almost have you convinced..
You know who you are...

 

[Windmill Charge]

Everyone has faith, as we are born with it. Romans 12:2

Romans 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

This says nothing about people being born with faith.
In fact as Ephesans 2:For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Says faith is a gift from God.

 

[Behold]

Romans 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

12:3..... , not vs 2.

And thank you for reading my Thread and Romans 12:2.

Read vs 3.
I posted 2, but meant 3.
(Typo)

So, Here you go...
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Lets use a KJV, as most people have one.

King James Bible
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man (person) the measure of Faith.

Notice the verse does not say.>>"the elect" or "the predestined".........nor does it say. "to the born again", are the ones and the only who receive faith as Lying Calvinism and TULIP teach.

So, Calvin is a Satanic deceiver, and his Disciples are extremely deceived, and will deceive you, and have.

Says faith is a gift from God.

"""For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man (person) the measure of Faith."""

Faith is a gift from God.. to everyone.... exactly as health, and free will and the ability to think, are a Gift.

Jesus is a Gift, and He's given to ALL, not just "Some" as lying Calvinist's teach.

Everything we have is a gift from God, including the measure of faith that all have.
And that faith is ours.....and God wants us ALL to give it to Him, as faith in Christ.
Some will.
Many wont.

Free will chooses and God accepts our choice to choose to believe in Jesus BY FAITH.... or not.

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary and scripture.

Can God cause someone to believe in Him?​

As far as God causing someone to believe in him, the Scriptures tell us that God can do exactly that. Here are five of many Scriptures that support this idea.

• Prov. 21:1, “The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes.”
• John 1:12-13, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, WHO WERE BORN NOT OF BLOOD, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD.”
• Acts 16:14, “A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.”
• Phil. 1:29, “Philippians 1:29, “For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake.”
• 1 Pet. 1:3, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”

Proverbs 21:1​

We see from Proverbs 21:1, that God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. If God can do this, then he can also move the heart of any individual to where he wants it to go, including believing in him. Yet, the Molinists teach us that God cannot cause anyone to believe in Christ. In other words, God cannot cause a person’s heart to turn where he wishes it to go lest he violates a person’s free will. Proverbs 21:1 contradicts the Molinist position.

John 1:13​

In John 1:13 we see that people are born (the context is born again) not of their own wills, but of God. This is consistent with biblical theology that reveals the depravity of man and his inability to freely choose God within his unregenerate and sinful nature (John 6:65; Rom. 3:10-12; 1 Cor. 2:14, etc.) If Scripture tells us that we are born (again) not of our own will, but of the will of God, then what is the Molinist to do? After all, Molinists affirm libertarian free will and also affirm that under the right circumstances, with prevenient grace, the person will be born again by his own free will choice. Yet, Scripture tells us we’re born again by the will of God, not the will of man – including libertarian free will motivated out of prevenient grace. John 1:13 contradicts the Molinist position.

Acts 16:14​

In Acts 16:14 we see that God opened the heart of Lydia to respond to the things spoken of by Paul. Now, we know that she was already a worshiper of God, though not yet a Christian. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message of salvation since afterward, she was baptized (v. 15). If libertarian free will is true, then why did God have to open her heart? Why didn’t she just freely believe under the right circumstances? Why didn’t God just arrange things so that she was motivated out of her own conscience, and her own will, to decide to believe in Paul’s teaching? If libertarian free will is true and human freedom is the final arbiter of belief in Christ, then why did God have to open her heart? It makes no sense. And, since we see that her opened heart was the result of God’s work, and that she then believed, we can see God caused someone to believe. Acts 16:14 contradicts the Molinist position.

Philippians 1:29​

Philippians 1:29 tells us that God is the one who grants that we believe. I am reminded of Romans 9:16 which says, “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.” The Romans 9 context is about what God does among people, including his mercy upon them (v. 15) and his ordination of them for destruction or salvation (vv. 21-23). Nevertheless, Philippians tells us that it is God who grants that we believe. If it were true that the unregenerate, sinfully-enslaved person can freely believe given the right circumstances, then why does Philippians 1:29 say that God grants that we believe? The granting cannot be an arrangement of circumstances. It is granting the actual belief.

• “charisthḗsomai, it means to be permitted or granted something (1 Cor. 2:12; Phil. 1:29; Phile. 1:22).” (Zodhiates, Spiros. The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament. Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000.)
• “χαρίζομαιa: to give or grant graciously and generously, with the implication of good will on the part of the giver—‘to give, to grant, to bestow generously.” (Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains. New York: United Bible Societies, 1996.)
• “it is given—Greek, “it has been granted as a favor,” or “gift of grace.” Faith is the gift of God (Eph 2:8), not wrought in the soul by the will of man, but by the Holy Ghost (Jn 1:12, 13).” (Jamieson, Robert, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.)

This granting is not arranging circumstances, as some libertarians have asserted. Nor is it the addition of prevenient grace that enables a person to freely choose. Philippians 1:29 speaks against these ideas. Philippians 1:29 contradicts the Molinist position.

1 Peter 1:3​

In 1 Peter 1:3 we see that God caused people to be born again. This means he caused them to be changed internally, to be given the new birth. It was not the result of LFW, but of God’s direct work.

 

[Runningman]

Romans 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

This says nothing about people being born with faith.
In fact as Ephesans 2:For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Says faith is a gift from God.

The Ephesians 2:8 verse you referenced above does not refer to faith as the gift in this context. It refers to grace as the gift with faith being the means through which one receives the gift of grace. That is the grammatically correct way to understand that verse. Not the same context as the spiritual gift of faith in 1 Cor. 12 btw.

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary .

Faith is graciously given to believers by God himself. As a divine gift, faith is neither transient nor impotent. It has an abiding quality that guarantees that it will endure to the end. The familiar words of Habakkuk 2:4, “The righteous will live by his faith” (cf.

 

[Behold]

In 1 Peter 1:3 we see that God caused people to be born again.

Your verse says that people are born again, based on (because of) Jesus being raised from the Dead.
And that this birth in the spirit, is based on God's Grace.

That's all true, as that is all a Gift, its all mercy, and its freely given to everyone.

Calvin changes that Truth, into His Lie, and rewrites it as.. "God chose some to believe"

And God didnt.
What God does is offer Jesus to us all.,... John 3:16..... and we choose what we do with this Gift from God.

Now, where some get confused, is.......>"but doesn't the Holy Spirit lead us to believe"?

And yes, He leads us to believe, but He does not cause us to believe.

That's the distinction, that a Calvinist, cant grasp, because Calvin's mental trap keeps them from seeing this simple truth.

See, ..the HS, REVEALS to us, that "you need to be forgiven, and Jesus is your Forgiveness".......but the HS does not go inside you, and make you have faith to Believe.

He shows you the truth, and enlightens you, and then YOU decide what you do with this Gospel.

You make the decision, not God...............to believe in Jesus, once you KNOW to do it.

So, the KNOWING is Caused by the HS, but the Believing is YOUR DECISION..

 

[Behold]

Short commentary .

Faith is graciously given to believers by God himself.

Romans 12:3... that you are twisting into Calvinism, according to your cut and pasted, post.

Says..

That the Gift of Faith, is given to every person (man)...

So, ALL have Faith, we're born with it..... but not all will use their faith to believe in Jesus.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Nine Gifts of the Spirit Fall into three Divisions:

• The Gifts of Revelation
• The Gifts of Inspiration
• The Gifts of Power.

Gifts of Revelation:

1-The Word of Wisdom:
A supernatural revelation, or insight into the divine will and purpose, often given by the Spirit to solve perplexing problems and situations.

2-The Word of Knowledge:
The Word of Knowledge is a supernatural revelation of Divine knowledge or insight in the Divine mind, will or plan, to know things that could not be known of oneself.

3-Discerning of Spirits:
This is a supernatural revelation or insight into the realm of spirits to detect their presence and plans.


Gifts of Inspiration:

4-Prophecy:
Prophecy is the supernatural utterance in the native tongue. It is a miracle of divine utterance, not conceived by human thought or reasoning. It includes speaking unto men to edification, exhortation, and comfort.

5-Divers Kinds of Tongues:
The supernatural utterance in other languages that are not known to the speaker.

6-The Interpretation of Tongues:
The supernatural ability to interpret in the native tongue what is uttered in other languages not known by the one who interprets by the Spirit.


Gifts of Power:

7-Gift of Faith:
This is a supernatural ability to believe God without human doubt, unbelief, and reasonings.

8-The Gift of Healing:
The healing of all manner of sickness by supernatural power, without human aid or medicine.

9-The Working of Miracles:
Is supernatural power to intervene in the ordinary course of nature and to counteract natural laws if necessary

 

[Ritajanice]

@Behold ..Brother...May you know the Love Of God ,deep within your heart ,that you radiate His Love from within you.

5. [1] Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; [2] And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour

 

[Behold]

7-Gift of Faith:
This is a supernatural ability to believe God without human doubt, unbelief, and reasonings.

This gift is given to the Born again. @Ritajanice .

This is why Paul is teaching it to the body of Christ.

This is not Calvin's lie, that teaches that God's gift of faith, is given to unbelievers, so that they can trust in Christ.

Be sure you recognize the difference, as most Calvinists, never will.

 

[Behold]

@Behold ..Brother...May you know the Love Of God ,deep within your heart ,that you radiate His Love from within you.

5. [1] Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; [2] And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour

Yes.. the KOG, Jesus said.. is "within you".. so, that is Jesus Himself and God Himself who are the KOG.

Once born again, you become the "temple of the HOLY Spirit" which is the proof that the KOG, is within you.
And so, to find your understanding of that reality, .. to see the KOG... is to be in it.
And you can't be in it unless you are born again into Christ and God, who are the KOG.

That is how you enter it, and how you SEE it..

This is why Jesus told everyone......(not just the elect). that '"you must be born again"... to enter the KOG., and to become a SON/Daughter of God, which is to become the "elect".

 

[Ritajanice]

Peter describes Jesus as both our Lord and our Savior. To really know Him, we must continue to grow in our understanding of what it means to live in relationship to Jesus as Lord and as Savior. And we, like Peter, will reach a single conclusion: Jesus is the one who is due glory both in this moment and forever.

 

[Behold]

Peter describes Jesus as both our Lord and our Savior. To really know Him, we must continue to grow in our understanding of what it means to live in relationship to Jesus as Lord and as Savior. And we, like Peter, will reach a single conclusion: Jesus is the one who is due glory both in this moment and forever.

There is no other Name, given by God, under heaven.... by which a person may believe and be born again.

Jesus said, "I am THE WAY".. and He isn't kidding.

Only the Name of Jesus.

"All who call on (that name) by faith, shall be saved".

Jesus told us that "ALL, (not just the elect) who believe in me, i give unto them, eternal Life, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish).

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Reader,

1.) Everyone has faith, as we are born with it. Romans 12:3

What Holy God requires is that we take OUR faith and place it in Christ, before we die, or we die "in our sins" and will go to Hell, as to die unforgiven, having never trusted in Christ, never born again, is to commit the unpardonable sin.. .. that is the Hebrews 10 sin, of "willful sinning".
Thousands died today, having committed it..., and many were water baptized and were taught that "the water washed away your sin".
It didnt, and Hell showed them it didnt.

So, when we take OUR faith, and place our faith in Christ......... then God's GRACE, accepts OUR FAITH in Christ... and He justifies us, by accepting our Faith as righteousness.

Brain dead Calvinism, and its bastard step child TULIP, were created by people who are Cross denying Heretics who deny John 3:16, and Deny God's Grace, and reject the Truth regarding The Cross of Christ as God Designed it to be freely given. to "all who will come" "whosoever will believe".

2.) How to die early : by Calvinism + TULIP

Calvinism and TULIP will get you killed, also.... Reader/.
How..????...= Because once you are brain locked by this "doctrine of devils" and your mind is completely blinded by this obsession with "pre-destined" everything.. then when Satan gives you cancer, or something worse.. you are so CALVINISED and so TULIP'd that you will falsely believe that God gave it to you. And now you can't pray to God for a healing because you BELIEVE that God is causing your Cancer, or your blood disease, or your Kidney Failure, or your blindness.
So you will die.

See that?
Satan is laughing at you... on your way to the grave.
Why? Because He killed you with the disease + Calvinism + TULIP>...by having you believe that God caused it.. "pre-destined" it.

A.) Calvin and TULIP just KILLED you...., and the Devil did it to you, and you went to the grave early....= falsely believing that GOD "Pre-destined" your death by disease, that sent you to the grave, early.

I give up trying to share with you the true Calvinism instead of the hyper-Calvinism that is really fatalism. Believe what you want about Calvinism that might characterize a few fatalistic Calvinists, but please don't generalize about all of us. That's very unfair and unloving to most Calvinists. You will answer to God for your unloving words, I believe.

 

[Behold]

I give up trying to share with you the true Calvinism instead of the hyper-Calvinism that is really fatalism. Believe what you want about Calvinism that might characterize a few fatalistic Calvinists, but please don't generalize about all of us. That's very unfair and unloving to most Calvinists. You will answer to God for your unloving words, I believe.

IF God called you to become a Calvinist, then your words have some Truth in them..
If He didnt, then you have an issue that your'e not aware of... yet., that im aware of... completely.
There is still time, you're still breathing.

Just remember that God Creates CHRISTians...........and John Calvin creates CALVINISTS... and those are not the same.

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Reader,

1.) Everyone has faith, as we are born with it. Romans 12:3

Thats not what Rom 12:3 says. Also everyone doesnt have faith 2 Thess 3:2

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

[Behold]

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Your verse is teaching that not all have believed in Jesus , and they are the enemy of the Cross, so, they are unreasonable, (they will kill you)..and so lets PRAY that we are delivered from these people.

 

[brightfame52]

Your verse is teaching that not all have believed in Jesus , and they are the enemy of the Cross, so, they are unreasonable, (they will kill you)..and so lets PRAY that we are delivered from these people.

That verse shows you put forth false information