CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[Ritajanice]

We ourselves do not know if God will turn their hearts to Him at some future day, as we were all like them in our past. And God had mercy on us. He can in His own timing also have mercy on them too. But if they die unbelieving and not born again, then yes, they are locked into their fate, they will die in the sins unforgiven

Yes, I’ve known that for some time, kept quiet about it as I’ve already explained.

I’m standing on God’s word now, I have no fear of being attacked by the enemy...as God has brought me to that understanding and he will speak his truth to others through me, that’s if it’s his will to do so.

If he wants to speak through us..there is no stopping his word as you well know.

 

[JBO]

All I know is, nowhere does God say we must be a Christian to see the Kingdom of God.

If you knew what a Christian is, maybe you would understand. But since you don't........

 

[Scott Downey]

To be honest,I’ve known about these vessels of wrath for some time...unfortunately I was following mans truth rather than Gods truth...in other words I was pleasing man by agreeing with them.

Whereas I should have been agreeing with Gods Living word....

I was led to delete all of my posts regarding vessels of wrath as those were “ my words from my own emotions and understanding “ God showed me that...

So I too now stand on God’s word, regarding vessels of wrath....his word is truth..

So yes, vessels of wrath built for destruction....God can do whatever is pleasing to him....

Excellent, God has also revealed this to you, for the Glory of God, God does everything for His glory.
And it is nice he shares glory with us like it says here. We will receive glorified bodies like He has in the resurrection

2 Thessalonians 2:13-15
New King James Version

13 But we are [a]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our [c]epistle.

 

[Ritajanice]

Excellent, God has also revealed this to you, for the Glory of God, God does everything for His glory.
And it is nice he shares glory with us like it says here.

Amen!!!

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, I’ve known that for some time, kept quiet about it as I’ve already explained.

I’m standing on God’s word now, I have no fear of being attacked by the enemy...as God has brought me to that understanding and he will speak his truth to others through me, that’s if it’s his will to do so.

If he wants to speak through us..there is no stopping his word as you well know.

If you don't witness because your afraid you will lose some friends or you will be persecuted you will never witness.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you knew what a Christian is, maybe you would understand. But since you don't........

Listen..please quote Gods word and not your own words, they are boring and quite honestly full of confusion...I understand your confusion...therefore I pray that God releases you from these blinkers that cover your eyes....and yes..that is my honest opinion of your posts.

A sower of such confusion...

 

[Ritajanice]

If you don't witness because your afraid you will lose some friends or you will be persecuted you will never witness.

Gods word is truth ...The Holy Spirit is the witness not me...I am the vessel that he will use to witness his truth.

Vessels of wrath made for destruction...that is Gods truth...makes perfect sense...

 

[Scott Downey]

Amen!!!

And He will continue to reveal the things of God to us, though some wont be listening as much as others.
God reveals all things to us by His Spirit. And God uses means, as in circumstances in our lives. God works all things to our good, if we are the called of Jesus Christ.

Romans 8
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [g]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

 

[Robert Pate]

Gods word is truth ...The Holy Spirit is the witness not me...I am the vessel that he will use to witness his truth.

Vessels of wrath made for destruction...that is Gods truth...makes perfect sense...

No, you are the witness. If your witness is true, the Holy Spirit will be present.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Scott Downey ...isn’t it wonderful how God works in his children....?

It’s all in his timing, the more he reveals of himself to me, the more I want and the more I’m in awe of his mighty living word..,I can’t get enough of him..I live, breath and sleep God.....Praise God!!

 

[Ritajanice]

No, you are the witness. If your witness is true, the Holy Spirit will be present.

Sorry, I disagree, the Holy Spirit is our witness...how can I be a witness without the Spirit?

The Holy Spirit lives in our spirit....we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

You can’t witness to anyone, it’s the Holy Spirit who is the witness of Gods truth...he witnesses Gods truth to our spirit...he speaks out Gods truth through us...to others.

 

[Robert Pate]

Sorry, I disagree, the Holy Spirit is our witness...how can I be a witness without the Spirit?

The Holy Spirit lives in our spirit....we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

You can’t witness to anyone, it’s the Holy Spirit who is the witness of Gods truth...he witnesses Gods truth to our spirit...he speaks out Gods truth through us...to others.

So, when you sin it's not you doing the sinning, its Jesus.

 

[Ritajanice]

So, when you sin it's not you doing the sinning, its Jesus.

Listen , a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed .

We are in the Spirit not the flesh?

We have a new heart and Spirit within...it’s our old mindset that needs renewing, as we have the mind of Christ.

Our sIns were forgiven, when we were Born of the Spirit...that is a supernatural act of God.

 

[JBO]

A sower of such confusion...

A sower of such confusion.....

 

[Robert Pate]

Listen , a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed .

We are in the Spirit not the flesh?

We have a new heart and Spirit within...it’s our old mindset that needs renewing, as we have the mind of Christ.

Our sIns were forgiven, when we were Born of the Spirit...that is a supernatural act of God.

As long as we are here on this sinful planet in our unredeemed Adamic bodies we will sin, Romans 8:23. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25.

 

[Ritajanice]

As long as we are here on this sinful planet in our unredeemed Adamic bodies we will sin, Romans 8:23. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25.

No we don’t.

1 John 3:9​

1 John 3:9 KJV​

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
KJV: King James Version

 

[Red Baker]

As long as we are here on this sinful planet in our unredeemed Adamic bodies we will sin, Romans 8:23. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25.

Robert your last three post to Rita I agree with you.

 

[Red Baker]

All I know is, nowhere does God say we must be a Christian to see the Kingdom of God.

What God does say, except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Also, to be born again, and a follower of Jesus Christ, that person is a Christian.

Just because you do not see this to be so, does not mean that it is not so, all it means is that you are one very confused individual.

I am not judging your salvation from sin and condemnation, only your understanding of God' word. The Lord alone knows those that are his, yet we can be persuaded by what we see, hear, etc. 2nd Timothy 1:5

Being honest I can’t relate to Christian, I can only relate to be being “ Born Again “....Born Again of imperishable seed...

I'm sure you are being honest, but I'm here to inform you that you need to do some serious studying on the subject of the new birth and the Christian~no one in church history has ever separated the new birth and true faith from being a Christian. It would be like trying to take the heat out of hot coals and saying that they are not related.

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

What God does say, except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Also, to be born again, and a follower of Jesus Christ, that person is a Christian.

No they aren’t a Christian..if a Born Again was a Christian, Gods word would say so, it doesn’t.

Therefore just your opinion.

Just because you do not see this to be so, does not mean that it is not so, all it means is that you are one very confused individual.

Listen, my question to you is, why haven’t you answered any of my questions and scripture I posted?
It means that a Christian is not Born Again..

As Gods word says..we must be Born Again of imperishable seed.

I am not judging your salvation from sin and condemnation, only your understanding of God' word. The Lord alone knows those that are his, yet we can be persuaded by what we see, hear, etc. 2nd Timothy 1:5

Nonsensical nonsense.

I'm sure you are being honest, but I'm here to inform you that you need to do some serious studying on the subject of the new birth and the Christian~no one in church history ha sever separated the new birth and true faith from being a Christian. It would be like trying to take the heat out of hot coals and saying that they are not related.

Once again confusion and your own opinion of what a Born Again is..I’m also here to inform you that a Christian is not a Born Again....

When you quote scripture that Gods word says..you must be a Christian to see the Kingdom of God...you won’t find it because it’s not there.
You will never convince me as a Born Again that I am a Christian, never, because it’s not Gods word....it’s “ your” word....therefore I rebuke “ your” nonsensical words that a Christian is Born Again.