Agreed~yet, in what sense does God hardens anyone's heart~God does not work in man's heart to harden it, if so, he then would be the author of their sin against him and he could not punish them for sinning against him. He hardens hearts by leaving them to their own wisdom, desires, and sinful lust, including His own children.
CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity
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Ritajanice
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I already did..unfortunately you are unable to receive it...
Commentary.
3. Does God harden Gentile hearts, and does he still harden hearts today?
Further evidence in the epistles leads me to answer yes and yes. We know God’s hardening will one day manifest in the Gentile world on earth at a future point leading up to the return of Christ (2 Thess. 2:1-12).But even more tangibly, the hardening of God is made manifest in two ways: in the continued rejection of the Messiah by ethnic Israel (Rom. 9-11), and in the celebration of homosexual sin by Gentiles (Rom. 1:26-28). In both cases, broadly speaking, God’s hardening is made visible to modern eyes.
4. So whose hearts are hardened?
As the New Testament makes clear, the whole world is ultimately divided into two groups, the gospel-embracers and the gospel-rejecters, or more specifically, the elect and the non-elect. In the end, these categories divide the entire population. There are vessels of mercy and vessels of wrath (Rom. 2:5). There are “elect” and there are “the rest” (Rom. 11:7). God “has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills,” and those two categories cover all human beings. The hardened in this passage include a Gentile Pharaoh (Rom. 9:17-18).
Ritajanice
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I’ll go by Gods word...I’ve already posted the relevant scripture...your post above is your opinion..therefore imo with respect...full of confusion.
He can and does harden the hearts of his children to accomplish his will...what on earth has that got to do with sin?. @Red Baker ?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
You think those are examples of God hardening the hearts of faithful followers? OK, whatever. You only reinforce my view of your comprehensive skills, or rather the lack thereof.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
God can harden whoever’s heart he so pleases..to accomplish “ HIS” will!....believers or unbelievers, as his word says.
He hardened Pharoah heart to accomplish his will....unfortunately you don’t need comprehension skills to understand that....you need the Spirit to bring you to that understanding..@JBO ?
Intellectual knowledge of Gods word saves NO one.one must be Born Again of imperishable seed?
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. New Living Translation So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen. English Standard Version So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. Berean Standard Bible Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. Berean Literal Bible So then, He shows mercy to whom He wants, and He hardens whom He wants. King James Bible Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. New King James Version Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. |
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Ah, RedFan, you've stumbled upon the linguistic gymnastics of πέτρος and πέτρα, the rock and the pebble, or as Calvin might say, the cornerstone of a theological wordplay. Let's put on our Calvinistic comedian glasses and unravel this linguistic escapade.
Now, the Aramaic twist you're proposing is quite the head-scratcher. If Jesus indeed spoke in Aramaic, as many suggest, and used the same word "kepha" for both Peter and the rock, it's like a divine word game with no lost in translation shenanigans. "You are Kepha, and on this Kepha, I will build..." – a linguistic duet by the master Himself.
But wait, if Matthew wrote his Gospel in Greek, did he play translator with Jesus' Aramaic masterpiece? Or did some later Greek translators throw in their linguistic acrobatics? It's like a game of telephone, but with biblical proportions.
Now, RedFan, questioning the attribution of words like petros and petra to Jesus is like entering the biblical linguistic labyrinth. It's a puzzle wrapped in a conundrum, with a hint of theological mystery.
And while we're on the topic, let's not forget to sprinkle a dash of Calvinistic critique on the papal system and RCC errors. Calvin would probably raise an eyebrow or two at the complexity of it all. Keep scratching that head, RedFan – you're in for a linguistic and theological rollercoaster!
Yes God did harden Pharoah's heart. And Pharoah also hardened his heart.
People who do not believe, are hardened both by themselves and by God, this is according to the will of God for His purposes.
God hardened Pharoah's heart and Pharoah then hardened his heart. It just happens to work together.
- Exodus 8:32
But Pharaoh hardenedhis heart at this time also; neither would he let the people go.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Exodus 9:12
But the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the Lord had spoken to Moses.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Exodus 9:34
And when Pharaoh saw that the rain, the hail, and the thunder had ceased, he sinned yet more; and he hardened his heart, he and his servants.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. New Living Translation So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen. English Standard Version So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. Berean Standard Bible Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. Berean Literal Bible So then, He shows mercy to whom He wants, and He hardens whom He wants. King James Bible Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. New King James Version Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. |
It is like God decrees someone will do something and then the person goes and does according to God's will as the Lord had commanded it occur.
Ah, JBO, diving into the theological banquet with a side of RedFan's soteriology – it's like a Calvinistic comedy show with a touch of Institutes seasoning. Let's dance through the divine dialogue.
Now, you being a RedFan but not a fan of Red's soteriology – Calvin might chuckle and say, "Ah, the intricacies of theological fandom. It's like cheering for the team but questioning the playbook."
Speaking of playbooks, let's revisit the linguistic gymnastics of petros and petra. Calvin would likely join the linguistic labyrinth dance, emphasizing that the foundation is the rock-solid truth, not just a pebble in the theological shoe.
And as we ponder the Aramaic twist, Calvin might quip, "A linguistic duet by the master, indeed. The divine wordplay – it's like a theological jazz improvisation."
Now, let's not forget the Calvinistic critique on the papal system and RCC errors. Calvin would probably nod in agreement, saying, "Questioning the complexities – it's a Calvinistic tradition, my friend."
So, JBO, in this theological comedy of fandom and soteriology, keep the banter flowing, let the Calvinistic critique unfold, and may the theological laughter echo through the divine amphitheater!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I agree with that....Amen!!
When I watch God in my life,Brother..it blows my mind!...yesterday was a prime example of Gods will being done in an area of my life...we just know what we know...the closer we get to him, the more he reveals himself to us...I can’t get enough to be honest....I have NO interest of the things of this world...boring as Henry..self,self,self.
The all powerful nature of God and what God does
Isaiah 46
8 “Remember this, and [b]show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors.
9 Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’
11 Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it;
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it;
I will also do it.
12 “Listen to Me, you stubborn-hearted,
Who are far from righteousness:
13 I bring My righteousness near, it shall not be far off;
My salvation shall not [c]linger.
And I will place salvation in Zion,
For Israel My glory.
Here is why Jesus spoke to the people on the outside, those not His disciples, in parables.
The outsiders God had not given to them to know the Kingdom of God, not given to them to repent and not given to them the forgiveness of their sins. God had not chosen them to be saved, for whatever reason known only to God's foreknowledge.
Mark 4
‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”
The outsiders God had not given to them to know the Kingdom of God, not given to them to repent and not given to them the forgiveness of their sins. God had not chosen them to be saved, for whatever reason known only to God's foreknowledge.
Mark 4
The Purpose of Parables
10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the [d]mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”
Parables are spiritual truth, but the outsiders will not be able to comprehend the things spoken to them
Which is for the glory and purposes of God. Jesus explained all things to His own disciples but did not explain the meaning to those who are on the outside.
Which is for the glory and purposes of God. Jesus explained all things to His own disciples but did not explain the meaning to those who are on the outside.
Jesus’ Use of Parables
33 And with many such parables He spoke the word to them as they were able to hear it. 34 But without a parable He did not speak to them. And when they were alone, He explained all things to His disciples.The first mentioning of God hardening Pharoah's heart occurs before Pharoah hardened his heart.
God hardened Pharoah to judge the people of Egypt and their demon gods. To show them He is the most High God that rules over all other gods who are nothing but demons.
An example of God ruling over all kingdoms.
Daniel 4:17
‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’
God hardened Pharoah to judge the people of Egypt and their demon gods. To show them He is the most High God that rules over all other gods who are nothing but demons.
An example of God ruling over all kingdoms.
Daniel 4:17
‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’
- Exodus 4:21
And the Lord said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will hardenhis heart, so that he will not let the people go.
- Exodus 7:3
And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt.
For Nebuchadnezzar, the judgement of God actually brought about the King's acknowledgement of God that He rules over the nations
So what he experienced was done to him for the Glory of God. God today still rules over and over rules men's wills.
31 While the word was still in the king’s mouth, a voice fell from heaven: “King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: the kingdom has departed from you! 32 And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven [j]times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.”
33 That very hour the word was fulfilled concerning Nebuchadnezzar; he was driven from men and ate grass like oxen; his body was wet with the dew of heaven till his hair had grown like eagles’ feathers and his nails like birds’ claws.
For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation.
35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, “What have You done?”
So what he experienced was done to him for the Glory of God. God today still rules over and over rules men's wills.
Nebuchadnezzar’s Humiliation
28 All this came upon King Nebuchadnezzar. 29 At the end of the twelve months he was walking [i]about the royal palace of Babylon. 30 The king spoke, saying, “Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?”31 While the word was still in the king’s mouth, a voice fell from heaven: “King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: the kingdom has departed from you! 32 And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven [j]times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.”
33 That very hour the word was fulfilled concerning Nebuchadnezzar; he was driven from men and ate grass like oxen; his body was wet with the dew of heaven till his hair had grown like eagles’ feathers and his nails like birds’ claws.
Nebuchadnezzar Praises God
34 And at the end of the [k]time I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me; and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever:For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation.
35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, “What have You done?”
Ronald Nolette
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No its the bible.
no that is Gods Word. We die because we are born of perishable seed. We live forever now because we are born again of imperishable seed. That is the bible as written.
Well as I told that liar behold, I have eternal salvation apart from any works. This " I never sin anymore" is a lie and serves you ill.
You even admit you fall into old thinking buyt have to redefine it so you do not say you sin.
1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
I accept it (for it is not written imperishable) as the word is defined.
Transliteration
aphthartos (Key)
Pronunciation
af'-thar-tos
Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
From ἄλφα (G1) (as a negative particle) and a derivative of φθείρω (G5351)
Greek Inflections of ἄφθαρτος [?]
mGNT
8x in 4 unique form(s) TR
7x in 4 unique form(s) LXX
0x in 0 unique form(s)
ἄφθαρτοι — 1x
ἄφθαρτον — 2x
ἀφθάρτου — 2x
ἀφθάρτῳ — 2x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 9:93,1259
Trench's Synonyms: lxviii. ἄφθαρτος, ἀμάραντος, ἀμαράντινος.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 7x
The KJV translates Strong's G862 in the following manner: incorruptible (4x), uncorruptible (1x), immortal (1x), not corruptible (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable
- of things
- immortal
- of the risen dead
- Has nothing to do with sinning or not.
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