But shun profane and vain babblings

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you for real?

Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”

There is no reason to interpret these 3 days as anything other than 3 literal days. This again shows that it is Premils that are constantly spiritualizing clear literal Scripture away in order to sustain Premil. Anyway, Jesus literally fulfilled Hosea 6:2. It has already happened. Jesus said he would fulfil this, and He did. Matt 12:40 reads: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

There is no millennium mention or inferred in this passage. You have to force it into the text. It doesn't in any way say on the 3,000th day but the 3rd day, this is symbolism/spiritualization gone crazy. Such extremities are required to make Premil fit. The reality is it is referring to Christ's glorious resurrection.

Not so. He is describing the resurrection of Christ. There is no mention of thousands. You force that into the text to support your beliefs. What is more. We are already in the 3rd thousand now, demolishing your future millennium theory.

Jesus said in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”

1 Cor 15:3-4: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

Where? It is not mentioned anywhere else in Holy Writ, apart from the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and even then, only in the 3rd chapter before the end of the sacred text. I wish Premils quoted the full text of the Scripture that they mention to support their position. The text you mentioned make no mention of a future thousand years. No text seems safe with Premil eisegesis. Where is there any mention of an alleged future millennium in Hosea 6:2 or Luke 13:32?

Keep in mind that you're talking to someone who dismissed one of my arguments where I used 1 Cor 15:22-24 to support it and claimed that Paul didn't have the full revelation of Bible prophecy like John did, so he thinks Paul's teachings on Bible prophecy can't be trusted for doctrine. That's the kind of person you're talking to here. Someone who undermines the author of about half of the New Testament. Such a person is bound to believe anything that comes into his imagination.

 

[WPM]

Seriously
You believe Jesus had to wait till after he was resurected before he would know if he went on to know the Lord?

Are you serious?



Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”

I hope you understand what you're saying. It is coming across as gibberish.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you believe Jesus had to wait till after he was resurected before he could know if he went on to know the Lord?
That is stupid


Not ,you do have issue with the word of God.

Do you even believe Jesus is the son of God?
Do you believe he came forth from.God?

What did he say to lead you to ask such dumb questions? Absolutely nothing. There is no reason to question if he believes that Jesus is the Son of God as he has never given any indication otherwise and you know it.

 

[tailgator]

Address what I wrote and stop avoiding!

Jesus did not need to be healed.
Jesus did not need to wait till after he was raised before he would know if he would go on to know the Lord.


No this is not about Jesus. To his is about "US"



Hosea 6

6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

 

[tailgator]

I hope you understand what you're saying. It is coming across as gibberish.

I expect it would to you.
Barnabas,Hosea,Jesus,Peter,John is all gibberish to you.

I'm in good company.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I expect it would to you.
Barnabas,Hosea,Jesus,Peter,John is all gibberish to you.

I'm in good company.

Says the guy who believes the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire. LOL. Don't try to equate your gibberish with the teachings of Hosea, Jesus, Peter and John. That is a big joke.

 

[WPM]

Keep in mind that you're talking to someone who dismissed one of my arguments where I used 1 Cor 15:22-24 to support it and claimed that Paul didn't have the full revelation of Bible prophecy like John did, so he thinks Paul's teachings on Bible prophecy can't be trusted for doctrine. That's the kind of person you're talking to here. Someone who undermines the author of about half of the New Testament. Such a person is bound to believe anything that comes into his imagination.

Really? Why am i not shocked. He cannot even take Scripture literally. He has to twist it. He turns 2 days in 2000 years to fit his error. It is ridiculous! I am glad i abandoned this stuff in 2000.

 

[WPM]

I expect it would to you.
Barnabas,Hosea,Jesus,Peter,John is all gibberish to you.

I'm in good company.

LOL. No. You contradict everything they say.

 

[tailgator]

Says the guy who believes the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire. LOL. Don't try to equate your gibberish with the teachings of Hosea, Jesus, Peter and John. That is a big joke.

You say they are doing as Jesus commanded them.

But you won't find Jesus giving those commandments in the gospel.

If fact Jesus taught to do the opposite of the two witnesses.

 

[tailgator]

LOL. No. You contradict everything they say.

You say Jesus had to wait till after he was risen before he would know if he would go on to know the Lord.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Really? Why am i not shocked. He cannot even take Scripture literally. He has to twist it. He turns 2 days in 2000 years to fit his error. It is ridiculous! I am glad i abandoned this stuff in 2000.

Yes, he did that not long ago in another thread. Makes you wonder what other scripture he disregards besides Paul's end times teachings. He also believes that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire as punishment for killing people. He has a lot of wacky ideas.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You say they are doing as Jesus commanded them.

But you won't find Jesus giving those commandments in the gospel.

If fact Jesus taught to do the opposite of the two witnesses.

I said more than once, if you would actually read, that it's all symbolic of the church preaching the gospel and that the two witnesses don't actually kill anyone. The rejection of the gospel results in condemnation to the lake of fire and that's what the fire coming out of their mouths represents. What do you think, that it's talking about two guys with literal fire coming out of their mouths? Come on. But, someone with your lack of discernment can't understand these things.

 

[tailgator]

Yes, he did that not long ago in another thread. Makes you wonder what other scripture he disregards besides Paul's end times teachings. He also believes that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire as punishment for killing people. He has a lot of wacky ideas.

They do more than just kill people but you don't understand scripture so you don't know what all they do.

 

[WPM]

Jesus is not us.
We are not Jesus.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

Is there anything literal in the Bible? Is there anything real in the Bible? Or do you have to spiritualize everything you come across?

 

[tailgator]

Yes, he did that not long ago in another thread. Makes you wonder what other scripture he disregards besides Paul's end times teachings. He also believes that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire as punishment for killing people. He has a lot of wacky ideas.

Do you also preach that Jesus had to wait till he was risen before he would know if he went on to know the Lord?


Hosea 6
6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They do more than just kill people but you don't understand scripture so you don't know what all they do.

They don't kill anyone. It's all symbolic. Do you actually think it's talking about literal fire coming out of their mouths? LOL.

 

[tailgator]

Is there anything literal in the Bible? Is there anything real in the Bible? Or do you have to spiritualize everything you come across?

Real like a day being a thousand years to the Lord?

No ,it's very literal.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


But the ignorant won't except knowledge.

 

[WPM]

Jesus is not us.
We are not Jesus.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

In and through His glorious resurrection we are raised with Him in salvation. We have our "part" in that as it says in Rev 20.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you also preach that Jesus had to wait till he was risen before he would know if he went on to know the Lord?


Hosea 6
6 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

I don't know what you're talking about and don't know what relevance this has to anything related to end times doctrine.

 

[David in NJ]

Are you reading the thread? Zao is life and I have agreed to just stop talking to each other for awhile, so y ou won't see any more commotion between us. Also, Stewardofthemystery believes that Amils are not Christians. He has condemned us several times by associating us with the beast, false prophet and Satan. Do you approve of that? That is what I have the biggest problem with as no one else here is condemning others for merely disagreeing with their interpretation of Revelation 20.

And, please don't act like you're innocent here with the way you mocked my comments about 1 Cor 15:20-23. I'm tired of the holier than thou acts that some here put on.

lol is not mocking you my Brother = it is a common expression when we disagree

i do not condemn anyone for taking a Amil position on Revelation

The 'holier than thou' is not approved by any of us and we must be careful not to get defensive to the point of name calling.

What is IMPORTANT is that each of us submit to "It is written."

When we do, all things will work together for our Good as we submit to the Word, the Holy Spirit and one another in CHRIST.



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