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He did not say that. You did! Rev 20 supports Amil. You are forcing a non-corroborative theory upon that symbolic chapter. You have no support elsewhere. Amil has loads of support for their view of that.
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Barnabas 15:3 Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4 Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5 And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
 

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From what I have gathered from you and other Amils is that you think Satan has already been bound and is even now loosed again for the short season. That is way off course. Satan has not been bound yet for the thousand years.
Not true! Matthew 12:22-29 records, Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind [Gr. deo] the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

The arrival of the kingdom of God spelt defeat for the kingdom of Satan. We cannot underestimate the impact and importance off Jesus casting out devils during his earthly ministry. It was crucial, historic and symbolic. That is because it demonstrated that the kingdom of God had arrived and was confronting, overcoming and ruling over the kingdom of darkness. It showed where ultimate spiritual power resided. It also confirmed that Christ was here to open the prison doors of the bound, strip the kingdom of darkness of its influence and exercise real power and dominion over the devil's territory.

Just like Christ used the humility of a child and brought him forward in Matthew 18 and presented him as an example of what it is to be a Christian within the kingdom of God, He used this incident with the subjugation of a demon as an opportunity to highlight the power He had over Satan and presented it as forceful evidence of the spiritual restraint Satan suffered through His life, death and resurrection.

The Lord identifies the casting out of devils, and the resulting liberating of souls, with the actual binding of the strong man. He in turn presents this as proof that Satan is curbed through the presence and victorious function of the kingdom of God. Christ was specifically referring to Satan here (the strong man) and his demonic kingdom, and expressly connects his binding with the manifestation of the kingdom of God during His earthly ministry. The subjugating of devils was proof of the spiritual restraint of the evil one. Satan could not prevent this. Satan could not overcome those who had been rescued by Christ.

He came to the strong man's house (this sinful world) and spiritually chained Satan. He is like a dog on a leash that will only harm those that foolishly get close to him. He has power and movement but it is restrained and limited since the ministry of Christ. The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvellously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

The setting of this story and circumstance of the demon possessed man was an opportunity for Christ to show the sovereign power of God and articulate a deep spiritual reality. The Lord did this often. What he was saying to these religious hypocrites was, ‘if I am of the same wicked house as that represented by the demon (He was casting out) then Satan’s house is divided’.

Our Savior demonstrates that the powerful deliverances He had accomplished were done by the Spirit of God. They revealed the power and presence of the kingdom of God. Christ showed that the kingdom of darkness was subject to the kingdom of God. To enter the strong man’s house was to come to earth and invade Satan’s kingdom with salvation and deliverance. Christ’s earthly ministry commenced the invasion of Satan’s house and the cross secured the legal binding. The blind and dumb man in this story belonged to the devil’s kingdom. Christ entered Satan’s evil house and rescued the redeemed, translating them into newness of life. Christ has been doing this ever since. There can be no other interpretation to take from this.

Remember, this was just prior to Christ’s death.

The spiritual chains that were placed on devils were ones that curtailed their movement. They could not do as they once did amongst the heathen. God had ordained the plundering of Satan’s house. And this began through the life, death and resurrection of Christ. This gracious work has been now ongoing for 2,000 years. Many from within the kingdom of darkness have now changed camps. “delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.”

The binding spoken of here is obviously a spiritual restraint. Of course, the devil is the leader of the demonic realm. He is the representative of this vile house. When Scripture speaks of the binding of Satan it is inclusive of the whole kingdom he heads up. Through the Lord’s earthly ministry, Satan and his fallen angels were subject to a new arrangement – a playing field wherein he no longer calls the shots. They would now operate within very definite spiritual parameters sovereignly set by God. Christ had entered his territory and successfully took authority over his minions. The apex of this was of course the cross. That sealed Satan’s destiny and rendered him incapacitated in his activities.

Taking authority over the devil involves the binding of the strong man, before entering his house and casting him out. The binding here is the prelude to casting the devil out. Christ’s whole teaching here is a layered argument; He is building brick upon brick.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records:unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind [Gr. deo] the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

This familiar discourse by our Lord came as a response to the crude scoffs of the religious Scribes dismissing Christ’s deliverance ministry as a work of Satan. Christ’s reply confirmed that the binding of Satan commenced 2,000 yrs ago and is not simply a future hope that will occur after the Lord’s return. Christ was firstly referring to the false charge that was laid at his door in relation to his assault on the demonic realm. Secondly, He was demonstrating the subjugation of the “unclean spirits” as “when they saw him” they “fell down before him” in surrender.

Christ’s earthly ministry expressly bound Satan and damaged his wicked house on this earth. This was indeed what was prophesied in the Garden of Eden. It didn’t say that the cross would destroy him, but hamper him in his schemes. His head was bruised by the supernatural punch of Christ.

The Lord confronted Satan head on in his own backyard and soundly defeated him. Everywhere that Christ went, demons were subject to his every word. This authority was in turn delegated to his disciples who operated this same spiritual power were ever they gone. His servants enforced his authority casting many demons out and seeing many men and women delivered from the power of Satan to the power of God. This was unprecedented. God's people, as a whole, had now power over the enemy.

Significantly, the Greek word deo (Strong’s 1210) employed here is the exact same word used in Revelation 20 which means to bind in either a literal or a spiritual sense. This is what happened everywhere the kingdom of God was seen, the kingdom of darkness was suppressed. Moreover, at Calvary, Satan’s power to deceive the nations was spiritual bound or curtailed by the finished and victorious work of Christ. Revelation 20:2-3 states, “And he (Christ) laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and deo (or) bound him a thousand years (or a long time), And cast him into the abyss, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.”
 

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He did not say that. You did! Rev 20 supports Amil. You are forcing a non-corroborative theory upon that symbolic chapter. You have no support elsewhere. Amil has loads of support for their view of that.
What you say,?
You don't know when the Lord comes.

2 Peter 3

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 

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He did not say that. You did! Rev 20 supports Amil. You are forcing a non-corroborative theory upon that symbolic chapter. You have no support elsewhere. Amil has loads of support for their view of that.
Say you don't understand Jesus?

Luke 13:32

He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’


Why do have such a hard time understanding Jesus?
 

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Barnabas 15:3 Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4 Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5 And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
Let us examine the teaching of Barnabas:

It is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, "And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. And He says in another place, "If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them.” The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.” Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, “Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years.” Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished.

Now let us establish, before we go any further, there is no mention of some supposed future millennium here. There is nothing. Barnabas could hardly have made this clearer: “the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years.” He then reinforces this thought by saying: “in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished.” There is no way of misunderstanding his point. Premillenialists cannot change the unambiguous language of this ancient father. It is climatic! It is all-consummating! This is unambiguously classic Amillennialism.

Barnabas continues, as if to cement his climactic beliefs:

“And He rested on the seventh day.This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.

Just as if to remove any ambiguity of his climactic beliefs, Barnabas fortifies his opinion that the 6000 years ushers in the end of time. He highlights how this event will see the destruction of the time of the wicked and will witness their final judgment. This is the opposite of the Premillennial position that locates the elimination of the wicked after Satan’s little season, and the mass uprising of the wicked 1,000 years+ after the second coming. The same applies to the judgment of the wicked. He also shows that the ending of the 6000 years will coincide with the physical change that comes to the starry universe at the conflagration. The heavenly planets will be changed at the same time as the earth is renewed: “and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars.” The ancient writer then adds the postscript: “then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.”

Please see: he believes that the wicked are judged and wiped out before the introduction of the 7th day. The 7th day is therefore considered as a perfect paradise, free of any sin or sinners, death or disease, devil or demon. All rebellion is finally put down here. Whatever way you look at it, this fits the classic Amillennial paradigm, and contradicts the Millennialist one. What is more, the 7th day here is deemed the sabbath rest of God. Barnabas sees it as the believer’s eternal rest.

He continues:

Moreover, He says, “Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart.” If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves.

Barnabas actually uses Genesis 2:1–3 to support his argument. The future age that was to be introduced when Jesus comes was expected to be perfect, righteous, incorrupt, eternal, wicked-free, Satan-free, wicked-free, curse-free, sin-free, death-free and decay-free. Resting every seven days was said to sanctify the Sunday as the Lords Day. It became the Sabbath day for the redeemed. But this only served to point believers to the sanctified existence for the sanctified saints on a sanctified new earth. This is a far cry from the Premillennial position which depicts the future earth as being saturated with sin, death, corruption, war, Satan and wicked phonies feigning worship to Christ, when they are in fact, closet Satanists.

Barnabas then exposes the impotence of the Jewish Saturday sabbath, reminding them of the true Christian sabbath on the Sunday (the 8th day according to early Christian tradition):

"Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure." Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness [namely Sunday worship – the early Christian Sabbath], the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead [speaking about Sunday]. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.”

This is the controversial quotations that Premillennialists wrongly interpret. They look at it in isolation to the prevailing beliefs of the day and the fail to see the import of the teaching. Here, Barnabas alludes to the ancient belief that viewed every Sunday as the 8th day. His intent is to discredit the weekly Jewish Sabbath (or 7th day) and promotes the Christian Sunday Sabbath that was widely known as the 8th day. He then likens the Christian Sabbath (or 8th day) to the eternal state that ushers in the new perfect world. The wording fits in with the idea that Sunday was both the 7th day of the Jewish religious week but also the 8th in Roman terms.

We need to remember here, Barnabas is not here speaking to a 21st century audience, with all their established eschatological concepts. He is speaking to his own generation, and one that was perfectly familiar with the 8th day theory. Premillennialist Samuele Bacchiocchi explains in his exhaustive work From Sabbath to Sunday: “The polemic arguments presented by Barnabas both to invalidate the Sabbath and to justify the eighth as the continuation and replacement of the seventh, reveal how strong anti-Judaic feelings motivated the adoption of Sunday as a new day of worship.”

Barnabas’ thesis surrounds repudiating the Jewish Sabbath (on Saturday) and elevating the Christian Sabbath (Sunday – which the early Church fathers considered the 8th day) as the true day of rest. The fact that the phrase “the eighth day” was so widely used in early Church writings and was widely related to a Sunday Sabbath (every 7 days) reinforces the fact it was extensively accepted in early Church circles and it was similarly broadly understood. We should not forget, despite the existence of this unusual and innovative theory, there were only 7 days to a week.

No one can surely question that Barnabas was intent on debunking the whole viability of the Jewish Sabbath, which was held on a Saturday. The aim of his teaching was to advance the idea of the superseding of the Jewish Sabbath (the 7th day) under the new covenant with the Christian Sabbath (the 8th day). He believed the Jewish Sabbath had been disposed and had been replaced by a Sabbath rest on the Lord’s Day (resurrection day). According to this early Christian writer, the Jewish Saturday worship did not constitute the true Sabbath. Their Sabbath was rejected by God and because it only served as a symbol of Israel’s rebellion it was unsanctified.

While his mingling of an early Church rebuttal of the Jewish Sabbath and his advocating of its replacement with a far-superior Christian 8th day Sabbath (Sunday, with an end-time scenario may be a tad bit confusing for the average Christian today, it would have been clearer to the ancient mind.

Barnabas simply articulates the popular early Church conviction that Sunday was the eight day (and the true Sabbath). He obviously took that from the widespread prevailing thought within the Church of his day. He highlights: because Sunday was the day that “Jesus rose again from the dead” it was a day to be celebrated by believers “with joyfulness.” This was indeed the Christian Sabbath. This was their day of rest.
 

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He did not say that. You did! Rev 20 supports Amil. You are forcing a non-corroborative theory upon that symbolic chapter. You have no support elsewhere. Amil has loads of support for their view of that.
Say you don't know when the body of Christ rises?

Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.



You don't get it?
 

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What you say,?
You don't know when the Lord comes.

2 Peter 3

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Unbelievable! How can someone survive this?

Do you believe that Christ is literally coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that the wicked will literally experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you believe that the wicked literally "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?
 
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Let us examine the teaching of Barnabas:

It is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, "And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. And He says in another place, "If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them.” The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.” Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, “Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years.” Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished.

Now let us establish, before we go any further, there is no mention of some supposed future millennium here. There is nothing. Barnabas could hardly have made this clearer: “the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years.” He then reinforces this thought by saying: “in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished.” There is no way of misunderstanding his point. Premillenialists cannot change the unambiguous language of this ancient father. It is climatic! It is all-consummating! This is unambiguously classic Amillennialism.

Barnabas continues, as if to cement his climactic beliefs:

“And He rested on the seventh day.This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.

Just as if to remove any ambiguity of his climactic beliefs, Barnabas fortifies his opinion that the 6000 years ushers in the end of time. He highlights how this event will see the destruction of the time of the wicked and will witness their final judgment. This is the opposite of the Premillennial position that locates the elimination of the wicked after Satan’s little season, and the mass uprising of the wicked 1,000 years+ after the second coming. The same applies to the judgment of the wicked. He also shows that the ending of the 6000 years will coincide with the physical change that comes to the starry universe at the conflagration. The heavenly planets will be changed at the same time as the earth is renewed: “and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars.” The ancient writer then adds the postscript: “then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.”

Please see: he believes that the wicked are judged and wiped out before the introduction of the 7th day. The 7th day is therefore considered as a perfect paradise, free of any sin or sinners, death or disease, devil or demon. All rebellion is finally put down here. Whatever way you look at it, this fits the classic Amillennial paradigm, and contradicts the Millennialist one. What is more, the 7th day here is deemed the sabbath rest of God. Barnabas sees it as the believer’s eternal rest.

He continues:

Moreover, He says, “Thou shalt sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart.” If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves.

Barnabas actually uses Genesis 2:1–3 to support his argument. The future age that was to be introduced when Jesus comes was expected to be perfect, righteous, incorrupt, eternal, wicked-free, Satan-free, wicked-free, curse-free, sin-free, death-free and decay-free. Resting every seven days was said to sanctify the Sunday as the Lords Day. It became the Sabbath day for the redeemed. But this only served to point believers to the sanctified existence for the sanctified saints on a sanctified new earth. This is a far cry from the Premillennial position which depicts the future earth as being saturated with sin, death, corruption, war, Satan and wicked phonies feigning worship to Christ, when they are in fact, closet Satanists.

Barnabas then exposes the impotence of the Jewish Saturday sabbath, reminding them of the true Christian sabbath on the Sunday (the 8th day according to early Christian tradition):

"Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure." Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness [namely Sunday worship – the early Christian Sabbath], the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead [speaking about Sunday]. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.”

This is the controversial quotations that Premillennialists wrongly interpret. They look at it in isolation to the prevailing beliefs of the day and the fail to see the import of the teaching. Here, Barnabas alludes to the ancient belief that viewed every Sunday as the 8th day. His intent is to discredit the weekly Jewish Sabbath (or 7th day) and promotes the Christian Sunday Sabbath that was widely known as the 8th day. He then likens the Christian Sabbath (or 8th day) to the eternal state that ushers in the new perfect world. The wording fits in with the idea that Sunday was both the 7th day of the Jewish religious week but also the 8th in Roman terms.

We need to remember here, Barnabas is not here speaking to a 21st century audience, with all their established eschatological concepts. He is speaking to his own generation, and one that was perfectly familiar with the 8th day theory. Premillennialist Samuele Bacchiocchi explains in his exhaustive work From Sabbath to Sunday: “The polemic arguments presented by Barnabas both to invalidate the Sabbath and to justify the eighth as the continuation and replacement of the seventh, reveal how strong anti-Judaic feelings motivated the adoption of Sunday as a new day of worship.”

Barnabas’ thesis surrounds repudiating the Jewish Sabbath (on Saturday) and elevating the Christian Sabbath (Sunday – which the early Church fathers considered the 8th day) as the true day of rest. The fact that the phrase “the eighth day” was so widely used in early Church writings and was widely related to a Sunday Sabbath (every 7 days) reinforces the fact it was extensively accepted in early Church circles and it was similarly broadly understood. We should not forget, despite the existence of this unusual and innovative theory, there were only 7 days to a week.

No one can surely question that Barnabas was intent on debunking the whole viability of the Jewish Sabbath, which was held on a Saturday. The aim of his teaching was to advance the idea of the superseding of the Jewish Sabbath (the 7th day) under the new covenant with the Christian Sabbath (the 8th day). He believed the Jewish Sabbath had been disposed and had been replaced by a Sabbath rest on the Lord’s Day (resurrection day). According to this early Christian writer, the Jewish Saturday worship did not constitute the true Sabbath. Their Sabbath was rejected by God and because it only served as a symbol of Israel’s rebellion it was unsanctified.

While his mingling of an early Church rebuttal of the Jewish Sabbath and his advocating of its replacement with a far-superior Christian 8th day Sabbath (Sunday, with an end-time scenario may be a tad bit confusing for the average Christian today, it would have been clearer to the ancient mind.

Barnabas simply articulates the popular early Church conviction that Sunday was the eight day (and the true Sabbath). He obviously took that from the widespread prevailing thought within the Church of his day. He highlights: because Sunday was the day that “Jesus rose again from the dead” it was a day to be celebrated by believers “with joyfulness.” This was indeed the Christian Sabbath. This was their day of rest.
You don't understand anything Barnabas says.
Well,just like you don't understand Jesus and Peter.

You just can't grasp the Sabbath day.
 

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Say you don't know when the body of Christ rises?

Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.



You don't get it?
Are you for real?

Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”

There is no reason to interpret these 3 days as anything other than 3 literal days. This again shows that it is Premils that are constantly spiritualizing clear literal Scripture away in order to sustain Premil. Anyway, Jesus literally fulfilled Hosea 6:2. It has already happened. Jesus said he would fulfil this, and He did. Matt 12:40 reads: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

There is no millennium mention or inferred in this passage. You have to force it into the text. It doesn't in any way say on the 3,000th day but the 3rd day, this is symbolism/spiritualization gone crazy. Such extremities are required to make Premil fit. The reality is it is referring to Christ's glorious resurrection.

Not so. He is describing the resurrection of Christ. There is no mention of thousands. You force that into the text to support your beliefs. What is more. We are already in the 3rd thousand now, demolishing your future millennium theory.

Jesus said in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”

1 Cor 15:3-4: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

Where? It is not mentioned anywhere else in Holy Writ, apart from the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and even then, only in the 3rd chapter before the end of the sacred text. I wish Premils quoted the full text of the Scripture that they mention to support their position. The text you mentioned make no mention of a future thousand years. No text seems safe with Premil eisegesis. Where is there any mention of an alleged future millennium in Hosea 6:2 or Luke 13:32?
 
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Unbelievable! How can someone survive this?

Do you believe that Christ is literally coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that the wicked will literally experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you believe that the wicked literally "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?
I have no problem understanding the day of the Lord.

You have an issue believing God though.
You have a huge issue with the word of God.
 

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Are you for real?

Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”

There is no reason to interpret these 3 days as anything other than 3 literal days. This again shows that it is Premils that are constantly spiritualizing clear literal Scripture away in order to sustain Premil. Anyway, Jesus literally fulfilled Hosea 6:2. It has already happened. Jesus said he would fulfil this, and He did. Matt 12:40 reads: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

There is no millennium mention or inferred in this passage. You have to force it into the text. It doesn't in any way say on the 3,000th day but the 3rd day, this is symbolism/spiritualization gone crazy. Such extremities are required to make Premil fit. The reality is it is referring to Christ's glorious resurrection.

Not so. He is describing the resurrection of Christ. There is no mention of thousands. You force that into the text to support your beliefs. What is more. We are already in the 3rd thousand now, demolishing your future millennium theory.

Jesus said in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”

1 Cor 15:3-4: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

Where? It is not mentioned anywhere else in Holy Writ, apart from the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and even then, only in the 3rd chapter before the end of the sacred text. I wish Premils quoted the full text of the Scripture that they mention to support their position. The text you mentioned make no mention of a future thousand years. No text seems safe with Premil eisegesis. Where is there any mention of an alleged future millennium in Hosea 6:2 or Luke 13:32?
So you believe Jesus had to wait till after he was resurected before he could know if he went on to know the Lord?
That is stupid


Not ,you do have issue with the word of God.

Do you even believe Jesus is the son of God?
Do you believe he came forth from.God?
 

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You don't understand anything Barnabas says.
Well,just like you don't understand Jesus and Peter.

You just can't grasp the Sabbath day.
Not true. Where does Barnabas teach any element of Premillennialism? Where does he communicate that the wicked or mortals survive the second coming? Where does he describe two resurrection days separated by 1000 years+? Where does he describe two judgment days separated by 1000 years+? Where does he talk about Israel been restored to their ancient boundaries? Where is the rebuilding of the millennial temple? Where does he describe Satan been released 1000 years after the second coming to deceive the wicked as the sand of the sea? Where does he even mention mass insurrection of the wicked 1000 years after the second coming? Does he mention sin, death, disease, corruption and wickedness continuing after the coming of Christ? Where does he mentioned the saints in their glorified bodies interacting with mortal rebels? Nowhere! Absolutely nowhere!

Barnabas doesn’t even mention a future thousand years. He nowhere teaches, references, describes or makes the slightest inference to a future millennium. There is nothing. It is a Premil add-on forced into to teaching of Barnabas. All they have is a statement from Barnabas that the believes are going to be at rest when Jesus comes on the 7th day. But the early Christian Sabbath was Sunday. They have nothing else.

One of the most thorough researches on the Epistle of Barnabas comes from Premillenarian historian D. H. Kromminga in his book Millennium in the Church. In it, he gives lengthy consideration to the eschatological position of Barnabas. Kromminga emphatically concludes that he was not a Chiliast but was in fact an Amillennialist. He acknowledges: “Now, it would seem, that this argumentation would land Barnabas right in the lap of the millennium as a final period of this world’s history. He is perfectly aware of this and does not at all shun this consequence. However, he explains the statement that God rested on the seventh day, as follows: ‘this meaneth, when His Son, coming, shall destroy the time (of the wicked man) and judge the ungodly and change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day’. And the fact should not escape our attention, that in this chapter Barnabas links the notion of the rest with both the seventh and the eighth day.”

He continues: “He seems to be of the opinion that there will be a seventh world period all right, but that period will be identical with the perfection of the eternal state. There can be no doubt about the identity of his seventh and his eighth day. The day of rest that is coming is one and the same day, viewed from 2 different aspects. From the viewpoint of continuity the great world–sabbath is a seventh day; but from the viewpoint of discontinuity it is the eighth, beyond and outside the present world–week. The future state is the last reckoning from creation; it is new, because of sin and redemption. This is the simplest meaning which I can discover in Barnabas’s words; but this is plain and pure Amillennialism.”

Whilst Barnabas was not a Chiliast you can easily see how his 6 day/6,000 years theory opened up the door to the conclusion that the 7th day will also be 1,000 years long. Even though most of the early writers considered the 7th day as eternal, the whole basis of the idea of a millennial week was fraught will many factual discrepancies, human speculations and theological contradictions. A study of the early fathers will see that this faulty concept inevitably led to some embracing Chiliasm.
 

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I have no problem understanding the day of the Lord.

You have an issue believing God though.
You have a huge issue with the word of God.
More avoidance. Classic Premil response!
 

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I don't have what?


Barnabas 15:3 Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4 Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5 And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
This is a forum for discussing the Bible, not unreliable extra-biblical documents. Prove your claims with scripture.
 

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So you believe Jesus had to wait till after he was resurected before he could know if he went on to know the Lord?
That is stupid


Not ,you do have issue with the word of God.

Do you even believe Jesus is the son of God?
Do you believe he came forth from.God?

Address what I wrote and stop avoiding!
 

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More avoidance. Classic Premil response!
The next time he gives his honest, objective exegesis of scripture will be the first time. It's amazing how much weight people like him put on their own words as if their words are scripture. They do nothing to back up their claims with scripture and then act like they have proven something. It's all very delusional.
 

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Are you for real?

Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”

There is no reason to interpret these 3 days as anything other than 3 literal days. This again shows that it is Premils that are constantly spiritualizing clear literal Scripture away in order to sustain Premil. Anyway, Jesus literally fulfilled Hosea 6:2. It has already happened. Jesus said he would fulfil this, and He did. Matt 12:40 reads: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

There is no millennium mention or inferred in this passage. You have to force it into the text. It doesn't in any way say on the 3,000th day but the 3rd day, this is symbolism/spiritualization gone crazy. Such extremities are required to make Premil fit. The reality is it is referring to Christ's glorious resurrection.

Not so. He is describing the resurrection of Christ. There is no mention of thousands. You force that into the text to support your beliefs. What is more. We are already in the 3rd thousand now, demolishing your future millennium theory.

Jesus said in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”

1 Cor 15:3-4: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

Where? It is not mentioned anywhere else in Holy Writ, apart from the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and even then, only in the 3rd chapter before the end of the sacred text. I wish Premils quoted the full text of the Scripture that they mention to support their position. The text you mentioned make no mention of a future thousand years. No text seems safe with Premil eisegesis. Where is there any mention of an alleged future millennium in Hosea 6:2 or Luke 13:32?
Seriously
You believe Jesus had to wait till after he was resurected before he would know if he went on to know the Lord?

Are you serious?



Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”
 

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Unbelievable! How can someone survive this?

Do you believe that Christ is literally coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that the wicked will literally experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you believe that the wicked literally "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” literally when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?
Exactly. Paul said "they shall not escape" but this guy thinks they shall escape. It's just unbelievable. A clear case of making scripture say what he wants it to say. Why would Jesus say in Luke 21:33-36 that we should pray to be worthy to escape if it was possible to escape without God's intervention? Obviously, believers will escape by way of having our bodies made immortal and being caught up to Christ in the air. No one else has any chance of escaping, obviously.
 
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Address what I wrote and stop avoiding!
I am.
You said it's about Jesus when it says after we are resurected shall we know if we go on the know the Lord.


Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD:


You said this is about Jesus and Jesus had to wait till he was resurected before he would know if he would go on to know the Lord


Blasphemy.



Hosea 6:1-3: “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”