'Blood of Jesus'

[lforrest]

So why do you refer to '~this~' if '~NONE of this has anything to do with the fact that ... he was tortured~' etc.? Fact is, the fact that He was tortured, WAS and IS the glory and glorification of Jesus in that though they wanted his blood He did not bleed and in that, though they desired to put Him to death He did not allow them to put Him to death, but Himself gave his life's spirit into his Father's hands, and was glorified therein that the Spirit of God covered Him with the very "Presence of the Almighty" in the most holy place of his sepulchre in view of his final glory and glorification "when God raised Him from the dead by the EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF THE POWER OF HIS MIGHTY STRENGTH AND EXALTED HIM AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND IN HIS HEAVENLY MAJESTY."

According to you is Jesus' resurrected body still flesh and blood?

 

[BreadOfLife]

So why do you refer to '~this~' if '~NONE of this has anything to do with the fact that ... he was tortured~' etc.? Fact is, the fact that He was tortured, WAS and IS the glory and glorification of Jesus in that though they wanted his blood He did not bleed and in that, though they desired to put Him to death He did not allow them to put Him to death, but Himself gave his life's spirit into his Father's hands, and was glorified therein that the Spirit of God covered Him with the very "Presence of the Almighty" in the most holy place of his sepulchre in view of his final glory and glorification "when God raised Him from the dead by the EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF THE POWER OF HIS MIGHTY STRENGTH AND EXALTED HIM AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND IN HIS HEAVENLY MAJESTY."

And I've already proven to you that He DID bleed.
You haven't been able to refute a single thing I've presented.

Oh, by the way - repeated denials don't add up to ONE fact . . .

 

[Helen]

And I've already proven to you that He DID bleed.
You haven't been able to refute a single thing I've presented.

Oh, by the way - repeated denials don't add up to ONE fact . . .

Can you explain to me why it is so important to him..( GE ) to prove that Jesus did not bleed!! I just don't get it.

This is foundational faith to us all..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Can you explain to me why it is so important to him..( GE ) to prove that Jesus did not bleed!! I just don't get it.

This is foundational faith to us all..

Unfortunately, I can't explain his heretical views.
As Martin Luther once wrote:

"There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams." - (Martin Luther, Christians at Antwerp, 1525)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I was unaware that He walked through locked doors and through walls before His Resurrection.
Can you show me where the Bible makes this claim??

Chapter and verse, please . . .

I was aware it is written nowhere at any time '~that He walked through locked doors and through walls~'. But the principle behind the idea, John 10:37-39 for example; or Matthew 14:26 Luke 8:24 and every miracle He did before his Resurrection.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Where do you get this anti-Biblical manure??

From two things, 1) the fact Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin the Son of God the Son of Man GLORIOUS ALMIGHTY GOD LORD AND SAVIOUR, suffered as Such, died and was buried as Such, and rose from the dead again as Such.
And 2) the Word of God WRITTEN and death of RCC tradition '~manure~'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If His flesh was not subject to the laws of physics - there would have been NO need for Him to eat or drink. He wouldn't have grown from a baby into a man. He wouldn't have had a beard. He wouldn't have been able to be nailed to a cross.

If Jesus "in the flesh" and alive body of the "second Adam" were not "GOD incarnate", "GOD with us", "his own", viz., GOD'S own, his flesh would not have been '~subject~' OR NOT '~subject to the laws of physics~' depending on his independent Divine Will and Power;

If Jesus "in the flesh" and alive body of the "second Adam" were not "GOD incarnate", "GOD with us", He would have had no need to eat or drink because He would not have become "God with US", "his own" God's creation, in need of eating and drinking food and water, breathing air and bathing in the sun; He wouldn't have grown from a baby into a man, He wouldn't have grown a beard... and, would NOT have been ABLE, would NOT have HAD THE POWER, GOD'S OWN STRENGTH, SOVEREIGNTY OR AUTHORITY, to be nailed to a cross.

But having had all the power of Divinity as a Man after as well as before his Resurrection, Jesus was able to do all the things He had done after as well as before his Resurrection AND NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE DONE NO DIFFERENT.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Son ALWAYS existed - but NOT incarnate. His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection.
As a matter of fact - Rev. 13:8 tells us that the Lamb had been SLAIN before the foundations of the world.

Note the contradiction: '~His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection.~'; '~the Lamb had been SLAIN before the foundations of the world.~'

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Can you explain to me why it is so important to him..( GE ) to prove that Jesus did not bleed!! I just don't get it.

This is foundational faith to us all..

Why not pay attention to GE's own explanations coming in as fast as he can? '~This is foundational faith to us all...~' very true. You already saw that which shows you're well on your way to prove the whole importance.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Unfortunately, I can't explain his heretical views.
As Martin Luther once wrote:

"There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams." - (Martin Luther, Christians at Antwerp, 1525)

Two more to prove Luther's claims.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

According to you is Jesus' resurrected body still flesh and blood?

"THIS Jesus you crucified God raised Lord and Christ."
"THIS SAME Jesus ... ye stand gazing at ... is taken up ... THIS SAME Jesus shall so come in like manner as ye have SEEN HIM ... taken up."
"Every spirit (living man) that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is COME IN THE FLESH is not of God ... For many deceivers are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ is COME IN THE FLESH. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

"Is come in the flesh" EVERY TIME, at birth, at Resurrection from the dead, at coming in the clouds of heaven : "Is come in the flesh" is now "being in the flesh".

That is confessing Jesus, "come" -- "come in the flesh" in resurrected body of flesh and blood. So help me God, as incomprehensible so is it why, I believe what I believe.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And I've already proven to you that He DID bleed.
You haven't been able to refute a single thing I've presented.

Oh, by the way - repeated denials don't add up to ONE fact . . .

Repeated claims don't add up to one fact.

 

[lforrest]

"THIS Jesus you crucified God raised Lord and Christ."
"THIS SAME Jesus ... ye stand gazing at ... is taken up ... THIS SAME Jesus shall so come in like manner as ye have SEEN HIM ... taken up."
"Every spirit (living man) that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is COME IN THE FLESH is not of God ... For many deceivers are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ is COME IN THE FLESH. This a deceiver and an antichrist."

"Is come in the flesh" EVERY TIME, at birth, at Resurrection from the dead, at coming in the clouds of heaven : "Is come in the flesh" is now "being in the flesh".

That is confessing Jesus, "come" -- "come in the flesh" in resurrected body of flesh and blood. So help me God, as incomprehensible so is it why, I believe what I believe.

Indeed he is come in the flesh, but not only flesh. When Jesus refered to his body speaking to thomas he called it flesh and bone.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:39 KJV

His blood was poured out before he accended to the Father. How else can the following be true?

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV

 

[BreadOfLife]

I was aware it is written nowhere at any time '~that He walked through locked doors and through walls~'. But the principle behind the idea, John 10:37-39 for example; or Matthew 14:26 Luke 8:24 and every miracle He did before his Resurrection.

You are forgetting that Peter ALSO walked on water - until he doubted.
This miracle of Jesus was not only possible because He was God. It was possible for ANYBODY who had faith.

As for miracles in general - ALL of the Apostles performed miracles after Jesus ascended to Heaven and NONE of them had glorified bodies.

Try again . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

From two things, 1) the fact Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin the Son of God the Son of Man GLORIOUS ALMIGHTY GOD LORD AND SAVIOUR, suffered as Such, died and was buried as Such, and rose from the dead again as Such.
And 2) the Word of God WRITTEN and death of RCC tradition '~manure~'.

YOU wrote:
"His resurrected Body was his from conception and birth GLORIFIED body which was never '~subject to the laws of physics~"

NOWHERE does the Bible make this claim. The onus is on YOU to show where it does.
Until you can - this is anti-Biblical manure.

Chapter and verse, please . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If Jesus "in the flesh" and alive body of the "second Adam" were not "GOD incarnate", "GOD with us", "his own", viz., GOD'S own, his flesh would not have been '~subject~' OR NOT '~subject to the laws of physics~' depending on his independent Divine Will and Power;

If Jesus "in the flesh" and alive body of the "second Adam" were not "GOD incarnate", "GOD with us", He would have had no need to eat or drink because He would not have become "God with US", "his own" God's creation, in need of eating and drinking food and water, breathing air and bathing in the sun; He wouldn't have grown from a baby into a man, He wouldn't have grown a beard... and, would NOT have been ABLE, would NOT have HAD THE POWER, GOD'S OWN STRENGTH, SOVEREIGNTY OR AUTHORITY, to be nailed to a cross.

But having had all the power of Divinity as a Man after as well as before his Resurrection, Jesus was able to do all the thing He had done after as well as before his Resurrection AND NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE DONE NO DIFFERENT.

I'll say one thing for you - you're a good dancer. However, you fail as a debater.
NONE of this rant answers ANY of the points I brought up.

Jesus ate.
Jesus drank.
Jesus grew up.
Jesus wept.
Jesus bled.
Jesus was executed.

These are things of the FLESH - and He was like us in ALL things but sin.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Note the contradiction: '~His glorified Body came AFTER His Resurrection.~'; '~the Lamb had been SLAIN before the foundations of the world.~'

No "contradiction" at all.
The Lamb slain before the foundations of the world was not yet INCARNATE . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Two more to prove Luther's claims.

The quote I posted from Luther DOES prove that there are too many people like YOU who invent doctrines for themselves and claim them to be the "truth" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Repeated claims don't add up to one fact.

Wrong.

Repeated claims - with Scriptural evidence DO add up to fact.
Your repeated denials without any evidence, however, do not . . .

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Indeed he is come in the flesh, but not only flesh. When Jesus refered to his body speaking to thomas he called it flesh and bone.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:39 KJV

His blood was poured out before he accended to the Father. How else can the following be true?

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV

My old friend, happy to read from you again. I hope this time, you may find some light.

My old friend, "flesh" is flesh - muscles and stuff and muscles and stuff without blood are / is not 'flesh' just like 'body' - 'structure' without bone(s) is no 'body'. Your idea of a bloodless resurrected Jesus is no more than bad linguistics which has no relevance with truth or faith in Jesus.

Jesus was not dead his "LIFE in the blood" spilt to death like an animal of sacrifice, but before He died He VITALLY AND ENERGETICALLY, WORKING, LABOURING, OBEYING AND WILLING, absorbed oxygen through his "whole and substantial" body parts including first and foremost his blood while "He poured out his soul" and very Life's energy.
No moment in all of Jesus' life was He more or better ALIVE AND WITHOUT SHORTCOMING than when and as He actively, alive, and "IN-THE-BONE" perfect in body, soul and mind, "offered up Himself" to God, and into the hands of his Father, "committed", his "life's-spirit" which permeated the "BONE" and "WHOLE" and "SUBSTANCE" of his "BEING" ['etsem'].