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I have always found the fascination with Mary and the saints as rather odd.
It seems that people find various images or ideas appeal to them more so they find this way of thinking about God speaks to them.

My shock was to find in Sri Lanka I could not tell Hindus apart from Catholic believers.
When you see how easily people want their version of religion rather than Gods, you see its deception.
A stone idol is always a stone idol, or a statue of a saint, or a prayer spoken to someone who is dead, they are pointless.

Jesus calls us to call upon Him who is resurrected and our true Saviour and Lord.
If all Jesus is to many is self sacrifice and self punishment, little wonder the God who has no failings becomes fearful.
And this same God provides torment for the smallest of failings for which penance must be paid or confession or some
other balancing ritual.

So I wonder if this is anything more than lostness rather than blasphemy?
How many know the meaning of the words "the truth will set you free"?

God bless you
Well it's both I would say, since they profess Christ and do things purportedly in His name...but worship a wrong version of Him.

But amen. It's sad and is very telling as well, how Catholicism melds very well with paganism instead of delivering people FROM it.
 

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Next time you pray the rosary, try concentrating more on the event of the mystery as you pray each decade..

If you dont know what I mean, there are different sets of mysteries to ponder: the joyful mysteries, the sorrowful mysteries and the glorious mysteries

The Mysteries of the Rosary - Prayers - Catholic Online

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Well I had a deep and powerful spirit experience after attending Catholic Mass a few times where I had a vision of what I think was the virgin Mary that confirmed that she was involved with God in something related to my forgiveness. I'll look into it some more. I don't know.
 
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Yes indeed it must be done in love .
AND the apostels knew the love of GOD more than this tanked generation ever could .
Yes, we must not allow ourselves to be seduced and led by emotional love instead of the love of God which doesn't compromise the truth of His word. That doesn't mean we are to be hard-hearted though. But just discern between fleshly love and that which is of His Spirit. The devil allures through the flesh. And God's love has a disciplinary side, when we need it.
 

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[Heaven]..If that includes Hitler, Saddam, and assorted nonchristians etc, I don't think I want to go..:)
I certainly did not expect such a silly comment from you. I was specifically discussing "the saints" -- those who are in Christ and have the indwelling Holy Spirit.


Who exactly are "the saints"?
If you mean the dead humans (including Mary) who catholics pray to, they're kipping and can't hear you..:)
"Don't grieve for those asleep, for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-14)

 
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How about Stalin who supposedly murdered about 90 million? How about the Democrats who got wealthy murdering millions of unborn babies? Gee, I don't think they go to heaven. But I'm sure a few of them got saved.

If a single Democrat gets to heaven I don't wanna go there..:)
 

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But amen. It's sad and is very telling as well, how Catholicism melds very well with paganism instead of delivering people FROM it.

Meld with paganism? Hardly!

Syncretism is verboten.

However reordering cultural practices so that they are properly focused on Christ, is something else entirely..

'capture every thought for Christ!'

Pax et Bonum
 

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Adolf liked to be seen coming out of church-

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But it's debatable whether he was a true christian..:)

GUEST- "Congratulations on becoming Chancellor mein Fuhrer, and what are your plans now?"
ADOLF- "I plan to take a little sightseeing trip"
GUEST- "Oh how nice, anywhere special?"
ADOLF- "Poland, Norway, Holland, Belgium, France, Greece, North Africa, Russia.."


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Adolf Hitler was Roman Catholic.
In his journal Mein Kampf, ''My Struggle'', he said his efforts,the final solution,etc... was in service to Jesus will. Most every Nazi was also Roman Catholic. None,including Hitler, were excommunicated.
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Next time you pray the rosary, try concentrating more on the event of the mystery as you pray each decade..

If you dont know what I mean, there are different sets of mysteries to ponder: the joyful mysteries, the sorrowful mysteries and the glorious mysteries

The Mysteries of the Rosary - Prayers - Catholic Online

Pax et Bonum
Honestly, I have my doubts. I think God guided me to this point in my life. And I have yet to determine which church is most correct. And I think it will take God's guidance to discover that. I'm still lost I think as far as a church. But my doctrine is good and becoming better.
 

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We need to be careful and very discerning of anointings....seductive and deceiving counterfeits abound.

I see Catholic apologists who are routinely posting things contrary to God's word in their efforts to gain converts to their particular religion out of those who are already converted to Christ....and they are not getting banned.

Regardless of how anointed a few individual Catholics may be (or seem to be) the call to "come out of her and be separate lest ye receive of her plagues" is still truth and going forth from the mouth of the Shepherd of our souls. And they are still deceived and in danger if they believe Catholic doctrine.
That's the thing. Catholics don't prosthletize to gain converts. The population of their church by and large in these times are generational. They're born into the faith.

If we pay even the slightest attention to those claiming to be RC on this site we'll notice they're not trying to convert. They're making an effort to contravert Protestantism.

True Catholics don't do that.
While we respond in our effort to the same end. Contraverting what is a pagan corruption of the gospel.

Emperor Constantine was pagan.
On his deathbed he repented and accepted Christ.
When he claimed to see the sign of the cross before battle
against Maxentius and for control of the western empire, Constantine prayed to the god of his father, Flavius Valarius Constantinus, an Aryan.
Who ironically was opposed to Catholic doctrine. (CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Flavius Julius Constantius)

After his prayer Constantine reportedly saw a cross of light in the clouds above the pending battle field, and the Latin words, ''In hoc signo vinces''. ''In this sign you shall conquer''.

And he did. After that he made Christianity lawful in the empire, later convened the Council of Nicea from whence the Nicene Creed was penned. And the rest is history.

Blending the Roman pagan practices with the gospel united an empire and made it less stressful for Rome to keep order among its subjects.
For pagans, Jesus became just one more god in the pantheon.Mary,one more goddess.

Idols are against scripture in Leviticus. Walk into most any RCC and they're everywhere.

In Christian scripture, old and new written testaments, and during the verbal teaching period in Constantine's time, we are told the dead in Christ sleep until they are raised on the last day.

In RC, as in pagan faiths, the dead are seen as emissaries between the people of earth and God.
Pagans in Rome did the same thing. Petitioning the gods and goddesses for favors,healing, help of all kinds.
While the Bible condemns such things.

Leviticus 26:1 You shall not make idols or set up carved images, or sacred pillars, or sculptured stones in your land so you may worship them. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 18:10
''There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.''

But all this is moot. Because the Roman church Catechism and doctrines seek to overcome scripture with church edict.

And the fact early Catholics had no Bible of their own and relied solely on the priesthoods instruction insured the laity would not know God forbids idols and prayers to the dead.

This is why Roman Catholics are told the dead are in Heaven. So they can hear the petitions of the faithful on earth and ask God to intercede.

It isn't true.

But the church declares it so, and observant Catholics are compelled to believe. And obey the church.
 

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Why Catholics Don't Understand Sin
James McCarthy

Though many Catholics worry about their sins, few understand the true seriousness of the matter. Consider how the following three practices of Roman Catholicism affect how Catholics think about sin and its consequences.
Sacramental Cleansing of Sin


One way that Roman Catholicism misleads its people as to their sinfulness is through the sacrament of baptism. Usually administered as soon after birth as practical, the Church teaches that this rite has two powerful effects upon a person. Baptism cleanses the soul of original sin, the guilt inherited from Adam. At the same time it infuses or pours sanctifying grace into the soul. This grace makes the individual holy and acceptable to God. The Church says that through baptism a person is born again, brought into a state of grace, made spotless and innocent before God, and becomes a member of the body of Christ.

None of this is biblical. The Scriptures teach that sinners come into a right relationship with God through personal repentance and faith in Christ (Mark 1:15; Romans 10:9-10). This involves a decision that each person must make for himself (John 1:12-13). Baptism follows as the public expression of one’s commitment to Christ as Lord and Savior.

The Roman Catholic Church, on the other hand, teaches that baptism is the cause of spiritual rebirth. Parents can and must decide for their children. They bring their infants to the Church; the priest baptizes them and issues a baptismal certificate; and their children grow up believing that they are heaven-bound.

Consequently, when Catholics are told that they are sinners who need to be born again, it makes no more sense to them than it did to Nicodemus when Jesus told him the same (John 3:1-21). For Catholics it actually makes less sense, for according to the Church they have already been born again.


Formalized Excuses for Sin

The second way that Roman Catholicism misleads its people as to their true spiritual condition is by classifying sin into categories. Catholics are told that there are two kinds of sin, venial and mortal.

Most sins are venial, that is, pardonable infractions against God’s law. They weaken one’s spiritual vitality and incur a temporary form of punishment. But venial sins have no ultimate bearing on whether a person goes to heaven or not.

Mortal sins kill the life of God in a person, removing sanctifying grace from the soul. Should a person die in that condition, he would spend eternity in hell. To be forgiven of a mortal sin, a Catholic must confess it in the sacrament of confession.

It is not easy, however, for an act to qualify as a mortal sin. The Church says that the sin must meet three requirements. First, it must be a big sin, serious or grave in the vocabulary of the Church. Second, the person performing the sin must be conscious that the action is grievously wrong. Finally, the individual must willfully choose to disobey God, though fully aware that God is able to help him to resist the temptation.

In practice these requirements become ready-made excuses to rationalize sin away. For example, if two people, driven by passions that they feel are beyond their control, fall into sexual immorality, the act, according to the Church, is only a venial sin. In the same way Catholics often wink at drunkenness, arguing that a person may be struggling with a deeply-rooted bad habit, breaking under pressing mental strain, or succumbing to a genetic weakness toward alcohol. If committed under such circumstances, not even a lifetime of practicing immorality or drunkenness is punishable by hell. Neither is such conduct a reason to question whether the person is truly born-again.

The Bible teaches the opposite. It says that all sins are mortal: "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). The Scriptures warn fornicators and drunkards not to deceive themselves; they will not inherit the kingdom of God unless they repent and forsake their sin (Proverbs 28:13; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Those who continue to practice sin should realize that they have never been born again (1 John 2:3-4; 3:4-10).

When Catholics raised with Rome’s definition of sin are first exposed to what the Scriptures have to say about it, they find it unreasonable and excessively severe. Jessa Vartanian, writing in the San Jose Mercury News, described her first exposure to biblical preaching on sin as shocking. Though raised with a solid Catholic upbringing, Vartanian stopped going to Mass during her college years, finding it somewhat meaningless. A few years later, sensing a void in her life, she visited an evangelical church looking for spiritual strength. The minister spoke that day of his own mother, describing her as the most loving, caring, and unselfish woman he had ever known. Vartanian recounts, "The whole congregation, including me, was feeling warm and fuzzy." Then, Vartanian writes, the preacher "dropped the bombshell." He said, "But my mom isn’t going to heaven."

Vartanian couldn’t believe her ears:


I held my breath. What did he mean? He’d just painted a picture of a saint. Despite being a good person, he said, his mom didn’t believe Jesus Christ was her savior. And, according to him, if you didn’t believe that, no matter how wonderful a person you were, you wouldn’t be taking the Up escalator.

Jessa Vartanian was equally amazed by the reaction of the congregation. Apparently no one but she was bothered by what the preacher had said. This caused her to question whether Christianity, regardless of the variety, was right for her. Since that time she has developed her own philosophy of life.


What I’ve come to believe is simple: that if you live a loving, caring life with respect for yourself and others—basically, if you’re a good person (and I realize my definition will differ from yours)—that you will "go to heaven," or whatever it is that happens when you die, if anything happens at all.

Though Jessa Vartanian may not realize it, what she has come to believe has much in common with what she had been taught as a child by the Roman Catholic Church: we are not defiled sinners; sin is not punishable by eternal death; and if you live a good life, you will probably go to heaven.

The preacher’s text the day Vartanian visited that evangelical church may well have been "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) or "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Both are incompatible with Roman Catholic thinking.


Trivialized Punishment for Sin

Roman Catholicism further misleads its people as to the magnitude of their guilt through its teaching that sinners can make up for their sins. The Church says that when a person commits a venial or mortal sin, he stores up temporal punishment which must be paid for either now here on earth or later in purgatory. In this life a Catholic can make satisfaction for his sins by performing voluntary acts of penance, such as abstaining from certain foods, saying a series of prayers, offering up his sufferings, or giving money to the poor. The individual may choose what form of penance he will perform, or, as in the sacrament of confession, a priest can assign an act of penance.

In either case the result is the same. Catholics are left thinking that sin is not that big a deal. How could it be, if saying a few prayers can make reparation for it?

When I told Tony, an easy-going Catholic, that "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23) he wouldn’t accept it as truth.

"That’s not fair," Tony objected.

"What would be a more just sentence?" I asked.

"Seems like two weeks in hell should be enough," Tony answered, betraying what he thought about his sins.

Acts of penance also leave Catholics confused about the uniqueness and significance of Christ’s sufferings on the cross. Pope John Paul II says that we all share in the redemption through our sufferings. If that’s the case, a Catholic might easily reason, what’s so special about Christ’s sufferings?

Adapted from Conversations with Catholics by James G. McCarthy (Harvest House Publishers: Eugene, 1997)


Notes:

i. Jessa Vartanian, "A New Leaf," San Jose Mercury News, January 19, 1997, 2 G. Used with permission.
ii. Pope John Paul II, Salvifici Doloris. See also Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 618, 964, 1505, 1521, 1532.




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We need to be careful and very discerning of anointings....seductive and deceiving counterfeits abound.

I see Catholic apologists who are routinely posting things contrary to God's word in their efforts to gain converts to their particular religion out of those who are already converted to Christ....and they are not getting banned.

Regardless of how anointed a few individual Catholics may be (or seem to be) the call to "come out of her and be separate lest ye receive of her plagues" is still truth and going forth from the mouth of the Shepherd of our souls. And they are still deceived and in danger if they believe Catholic doctrine.
And so are Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, SDA's, Calvinists....The list could go on and on.
My point is that this forum is open to all denominations. Our forum rules state denomination posts whether promoting or attacking specific denominations is not allowed.
I am not defending any specific denomination....nor supporting any....I am simply pointing out forum rules that every member AGREED to abide by when they joined.
If you join and start posting on topics that are attacks on other members denomination then first of all you didn't read the rules....second, if you read the rules then you choose not to abide by them.
When members report you because of your posts breaking the rules then the moderators have to investigate it and determine what action to take.
I believe there are denomination specific forums out there that people may join. So if fellowshipping with other denominations is something you are unable to do then wouldn't it make sense to join a forum with like-minded people?
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If we pay even the slightest attention to those claiming to be RC on this site we'll notice they're not trying to convert. They're making an effort to contravert Protestantism.
Who has claimed to be RC on this site? I am familiar with nearly every member here of the Catholic faith and I have not seen any of them declare themselves to be an RC Catholic.
 

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And so are Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, SDA's, Calvinists....The list could go on and on.
My point is that this forum is open to all denominations. Our forum rules state denomination posts whether promoting or attacking specific denominations is not allowed.
I am not defending any specific denomination....nor supporting any....I am simply pointing out forum rules that every member AGREED to abide by when they joined.
If you join and start posting on topics that are attacks on other members denomination then first of all you didn't read the rules....second, if you read the rules then you choose not to abide by them.
When members report you because of your posts breaking the rules then the moderators have to investigate it and determine what action to take.
I believe there are denomination specific forums out there that people may join. So if fellowshipping with other denominations is something you are unable to do then wouldn't it make sense to join a forum with like-minded people?
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Valid point. Maybe delete the entire thread?
And police members who attack Protestantism from the RCC perspective and vice versa?

One thing is clear from my own encounter with someone slandering my faith with the lie that implied I promote gnosticism while defending John 1, and their history of assailing Christian doctrine here in other threads. There are many permanent resident trolls on board.
Most trolls hit and run. Unless they're let to find a home.

Actual Catholics dont assail Protestantism. They are assured in their faith, so they don't have to.
Then we Protestants who rise to the bait defend what we believe is righteous doctrine. And that's actually evidence of our own ego being pricked.
We should stop. God knows his chosen. His word stands forever.
Trolls will find that out. Those in allegiance to satanic doctrine shall too.

What can Christians do to change the fallen? That isn't our job. We may speak God's truth. But God tells us those of a natural fallen mind cannot understand what we're saying. Where we're coming from. They never will unless God intervenes.
We know this too. Let's all take a breath and find our peace.

It's not us against them. We are eternally God's.
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Who has claimed to be RC on this site? I am familiar with nearly every member here of the Catholic faith and I have not seen any of them declare themselves to be an RC Catholic.
I'm not going to go back and link every thread where those encounters have occurred.

If you know every member then you should know those who defend their RC doctrinal faith.
As you said, every denomination is welcomed here. And RC's are here.
 

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Do you have any idea how many times you've thoughtlessly used the word "cult" here?

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Is that what you call "attack(ing) the teaching?"

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Well I attack the teaching and I will inform people of the cult involved with the teaching.

by the standard definition of a cult- the SDA is. that is not an attack, merely conveying truth.

cult
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NOUN
  1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object:
    "the cult of St. Olaf"
    • a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister:
      "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
      synonyms:
      sect · religious group · denomination · religious order · church · faith · faith community · belief · persuasion · affiliation · movement · group · body · faction · clique
    • a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing:
 

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Well I attack the teaching and I will inform people of the cult involved with the teaching.

by the standard definition of a cult- the SDA is. that is not an attack, merely conveying truth.

cult
[kəlt]
NOUN
  1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object:
    "the cult of St. Olaf"
    • a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister:
      "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
      synonyms:
      sect · religious group · denomination · religious order · church · faith · faith community · belief · persuasion · affiliation · movement · group · body · faction · clique
    • a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing:
I'm not familiar with the SDA religion. But I know from having been a Mormon that the word cult is offensive in a similar way to degrading a specific people like a minority. By it's definition the word cult is used for a small group of people like a minority. I don't use the word cult as I find it counterproductive to my correction of a false doctrine.