Assisted dying

[Rita]

It's a decision that HAD to be made.

We were told that if he gave any indication that he was in pain, the hospice nurse could give him something.

So sorry xxxxxxx

 

[Rita]

Thank you for all your responses xx

 

[Behold]

Would you want that option if you had terminal cancer, or dementia or a progressive illness that would make you decline in an awful way ?

Free will is God given, and the right to choose to die, is an option.

What is a Martyr, if not one who is doing it.

Paul said something interesting.. I'll paraphrase it.

"i have finished my ministry, now i am going to go to Heaven".

What did He do?
He went where the HS revealed that he would never survive if He went.

Why did He do this?
Its because He was older, His work for God was finished..... and what he wanted more than anything else was "to be with Christ is far better".

So, if we were there on the day that they decided to cut off Paul's head.... we would see Him walking quickly to the cutting stone, and smiling brightly at the one whose job it was to cut off His head, as Paul told Him..... '"""'Young man, you are sending me to my Jesus... do you know Him"...

..........................= "CHOP"/..

Psalms 116:15​

15 Precious in the sight of the LORD......is the death of his faithful servants.

 

[IronMaiden]

Would you ever , or agree, with assisted dying xx

Yes, I would agree to assisted dying.

 

[IronMaiden]

Also If someone you loved was really suffering how would you handle it if they chose this option - it kind of springs up all kinds of dilemmas with how to handle the whole issue

I would most certainly honor their decision.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ok let's say you approve. Will you then agree to be the one who administers the method of death to be carried out?

 

[Scott Downey]

Ok let's say you approve. Will you then agree to be the one who administers the method of death to be carriedout

 

[Rita]

Ok let's say you approve. Will you then agree to be the one who administers the method of death to be carried out?

That’s the other side of it, someone has to take that responsibility - so it’s not just one person agreeing and doctors ect take an oath to preserve life.
In Switzerland the medication comes in a drink form, I wonder if this is one of the reasons. The person takes responsibility.

 

[amadeus]

Looks as if they are going to introduce a bill in parliament for this, it was voted for yesterday and got approved.
I honestly sit in the middle with some of it , watching many suffer makes you aware that end of life is horrible sometimes. Also are we sometimes contributing to that death by putting in drivers with morphine in it anyway, we know it speeds things up.
Life/ Death is complicated with all the medical help available for sustains life , do we play God anyway.
Be interested in your views - do they ever discuss this issue in your countries ?
Would you vote for or against it ?
Would you want that option if you had terminal cancer, or dementia or a progressive illness that would make you decline in an awful way ?
Just to give context, at the moment it will only be those with 6months or less to live that will be given the option., However I think, in time, it could change and become a slippery slope

For people not serving God... it might be a "good" thing for them so long as they remain unbelievers, but not so, for true believers in God and His Son.

Mt 26:39

... O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Helping someone to stay physically alive is one thing, but to helping someone to die is quite another.

 

[Naomanos]

It has been a while since I posted last. I decided to check in and see what threads were around.

I am in complete support of assisted death. As someone who worked in the medical field as an EMT, I saw the suffering of those afflicted with various illnesses. Many of which could not be cured. Dementia, Alzheimers, cancer, MS, and Lupus, are all horrible ways to die. The pain that some of them cause physically, can be unbearable for many. Or the dementia/Alzheimer patient who is no longer the person that they were, often becoming a stranger to even themselves.

We put my dog of 14 years down back in April. She was dying of kidney failure that just sprung up. She was healthy, then she was sick and within two weeks, I had to decide to put her to sleep. We call it compassion and mercy to end their suffering. Why should humans receive anything less?

I would vote yes.

 

[Rita]

It has been a while since I posted last. I decided to check in and see what threads were around.

I am in complete support of assisted death. As someone who worked in the medical field as an EMT, I saw the suffering of those afflicted with various illnesses. Many of which could not be cured. Dementia, Alzheimers, cancer, MS, and Lupus, are all horrible ways to die. The pain that some of them cause physically, can be unbearable for many. Or the dementia/Alzheimer patient who is no longer the person that they were, often becoming a stranger to even themselves.

We put my dog of 14 years down back in April. She was dying of kidney failure that just sprung up. She was healthy, then she was sick and within two weeks, I had to decide to put her to sleep. We call it compassion and mercy to end their suffering. Why should humans receive anything less?

I would vote yes.

Nice to see you back xx
This is the part that I struggle with having worked in the care home and see many who really have little quality of life at times. Not sure dementia would be covered in the new rules as the person has to be able to make the decision themselves and many do not have capacity. The law would have to change before it would reach that point. Also doesn’t Lupus sometimes go into remission ?
Thank you for sharing your views xxx

 

[Naomanos]

Not sure dementia would be covered in the new rules as the person has to be able to make the decision themselves and many do not have capacity.

I can understand that, and it would be a decision for the power of attorney to decide.

Also doesn’t Lupus sometimes go into remission ?

It can, but, like MS, there are relapses. At some point, I am not sure that lupus stays in remission. My fiance has lupus and its cousin Sjogren's Syndrome. Both are auto-immune diseases. We are watchful to make sure that it doesn't affect her organs as lupus has a habit of doing. She has flair-ups and remissions, but it ends up being diminishing returns.

 

[Rita]

I can understand that, and it would be a decision for the power of attorney to decide.



It can, but, like MS, there are relapses. At some point, I am not sure that lupus stays in remission. My fiance has lupus and its cousin Sjogren's Syndrome. Both are auto-immune diseases. We are watchful to make sure that it doesn't affect her organs as lupus has a habit of doing. She has flair-ups and remissions, but it ends up being diminishing returns.

Sorry to hear about your fiancé , my grand daughter has an autoimmune illness and so does her dad.
I doubt the decision would be allowed to go to the power of attorney at this stage, but possibly in the future. That side of things worries me slightly as a family who has to spend so much money on care may be tempted to make the decision for self gain and inheritance reasons ( that slippery slope )

 

[Naomanos]

That side of things worries me slightly as a family who has to spend so much money on care may be tempted to make the decision for self gain and inheritance reasons ( that slippery slope )

I thought of that as well, but, they do have to make decisions that may end up assisting in their death anyway, no?

If there are those that will do that, it will be between them and God, yes?

 

[Taken]

Assisted dying (vote for?)

No.

Person in pain…meds for that, until disease / life runs its course..

Person depressed…HS baptism for that.

Persons wanting help with suicide, is a person seeking a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Rita]

Assisted dying (vote for?)

No.

Person in pain…meds for that, until disease / life runs its course..

Person depressed…HS baptism for that.

Persons wanting help with suicide, is a person seeking a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

Glory to God,
Taken

My ex had cancer and he would have gladly had an over dose because they could only give so much morphine, even at the end of life stage ( last few weeks ) The pain meds were not enough - he pleaded for more. My children were with him , they said it was horrible.
I doubt it would be offered for those depressed or suicidal- they simply would not meet the criteria.
Personally I don’t think I could vote ‘ Yes ‘ at the moment
Thanks for sharing Taken x

 

[dad]

It is God who gives life. If man takes a life, it is murder.

That brings to mind a question. If man artificially prolongs 'life' in a vegetative state or whatever, would ending that constitute 'murder'?

 

[ScottA]

Looks as if they are going to introduce a bill in parliament for this, it was voted for yesterday and got approved.
I honestly sit in the middle with some of it , watching many suffer makes you aware that end of life is horrible sometimes. Also are we sometimes contributing to that death by putting in drivers with morphine in it anyway, we know it speeds things up.
Life/ Death is complicated with all the medical help available for sustains life , do we play God anyway.
Be interested in your views - do they ever discuss this issue in your countries ?
Would you vote for or against it ?
Would you want that option if you had terminal cancer, or dementia or a progressive illness that would make you decline in an awful way ?
Just to give context, at the moment it will only be those with 6months or less to live that will be given the option., However I think, in time, it could change and become a slippery slope

As Christians, we should turn to God for our request in this regard, rather than to doctors.

At the very least we should put out a fleece and ask the Lord if we should go to the right or to the left. Modern medicine adds a greater complexity and confusion to this kind of thinking. In other words, the more options we have, the more difficult the decision. But that does not mean that at some point we become in charge of life and death rather than God.

Unlike killing in self-defense where we are made to defend ourselves by God, we are not made to take our own life, but rather to give it.

 

[Rockerduck]

That brings to mind a question. If man artificially prolongs 'life' in a vegetative state or whatever, would ending that constitute 'murder'?

If a machine is artificially keeping someone alive, this isn't natural, so pulling the plug isn't murder, its artificially keeping a dead person functioning. Pull the plug and they die naturally.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

When our son went into his final coma, we had to make the decision to remove the feeding tube and the IVs. That's not as direct an action as a morphine shot, but it was still tough. It was still an action that resulted in death.

Liked your comment but don’t like you had to experience that. That had to be extremely difficult. I’ve experienced it when my brother passed, but he was always pushing people away. I know that sounds horrible but while I did love my brother, we also had a strained relationship. I can’t imagine going through that with a child.

It’s a needful consideration though that you brought up, on the topic how there is already many families suffering the difficult choice to remove life support. I’m thankful for hospice. How they will come in to help those suffering have less pain.

The question on this topic is a tough one for me. After watching my mom deteriorate slowly and her about to be 95. I just went to see her at the nursing home yesterday where she is wasting away, her crying yesterday from sores and pain. Her roommate crying also in pain. Both in the bed with diapers on. Both repeating they wish they could die. Moms roommate was out of it, she laid there going back to times in her life where she relived phones calls. Her mumbling and talking to someone about calling to check on her alterations for her clothing. She is awake but talks to herself, at one point her mumbling “I need prayer. Someone pray for me, because I need prayer. Yes I do. I need lots of prayer because I hurt so bad.” It is a tough question about assisted dying. It would be easy to say you’re against it, until you right smack in the middle of a loved one begging for death to come, day in and day out. I will say with mom…there is no choice but to wait for God to decide when. I don’t think it’s moms choice although my mom is stubborn. But I don’t know why she is still going through it. When she has prayed for death, I have come into agreement with her prayer, and prayed for her passing. It makes me feel like a horrible daughter. But I have asked “how much longer?” I’ve been asking for years. First prayed for mom to pass at home while we were caring for her. She has been in the nursing home for about three months now.