Ask Yourself: What Will You Do?

[Hidden In Him]

We know our reward in Heaven awaits us. Why would God say, if you're killed for my sake you'll be better paid? Don't glorify being tortured to death for God. The Bible doesn't. And interpreting scripture to argue it does is wrong. We will be assailed for our faith, yes. The point of the message God sends about that is, don't fear if this happens. Because the Christian knows this life is a moment as dust. While the truth of the soul is eternity with the light.
God is not saying, be happy and love it, when terrorists peel your skin like a grape and command you renounce me. Feel joy when your children are boiled alive before your eyes one by one unless or until you renounce Christ and accept Allah! LOVE IT!
No! NO! God is telling us that if those evils befall us, we are to take comfort and rejoice in our KNOWLEDGE that what is happening is fleeting and impermanent. Because we are not of this world and shall depart it , if tortured to death, for a better one. Don't let the terror others bring lead the Christian to fear! There is Heaven that awaits.

Well yes!

You sound as one who can't wait to be tortured for Christ. You'll love it. Welcome it! It is not I who should be ashamed of that.

Why, because I was citing Acts 5:41? There is an attitude, an overcomer's attitude that is just different than the way most people, even most Christians think today. James who I cited, before his death, said to rejoice when we suffer diverse trials. That's not a normal mentality.

Maybe you will forgive me, but there are those who endure war and then there are those who love it; who live for it in some sense because they were destined for it from the beginning. This was said to be true of Patton, and I believe there will be soldiers with that sort of a sense of destiny about them in the end-times. How is the pure warrior a thing to be despised?

I promise you, they don't endure while saying aloud or in silence, I LOVE THIS! LOVE IT! I'M GONNA BE SOOOOOO PAID WHEN IT FINALLY KILLS ME! PRAISE JESUS!

A Ha Ha!! That's not quite it, no. This may be what Mjrhealth was talking about but it's not what I mean. If anything the suffering of knowing what may become of our torturers might be the worst, which is why Stephen prayed, "Lord, let this sin not be charged to their account." I'm saying the love of God overcomes it all. He was too busy beholding the glory of God and Christ seated at His right hand to focus on his own suffering and death.

No, I'm not digging deep into warfare principles. I'm trying to reach someone who thinks to lend the example to those who read, and may be new Christians or considering the faith, that God doesn't need our help to remain sovereign.

Ok, you keep making this statement, but please explain it to me further. I can't make out what it is communicating, and when that happens it's usually because what is being communicated is so foreign to my thinking that I can't comprehend it. But maybe I'm wrong here. What on earth do you mean by "God doesn't need our help to remain Sovereign"?

He especially doesn't want us to glorify the very idea while sitting comfortably at home behind a computer, with a refrigerator full of food, a comfortable bed, clean clothes on our back, promoting the idea as something we should strive for! When there isn't a plane ticket on the desk departing in eight hours for Somalia

Ah, but again you are underestimating me. How well do you actually know me here?

While expecting the faithful to assume the spirit of glad Masochism.

Glad masochism! LoL. I'm advocating being spiritual a$$-kickers here; of the blood of the martyrs being the seeds of the harvest; of manifesting to the world that our lack of fear even in death is a testimony in and of itself. I don't have a masochistic bone in my body, LoL.

Bad reference and analogy concerning this issue. It's the adversaries to Christianity for whom your analogy applies. NOT the Christian.

No, actually it's not, LoL.

Do you know how General Patton, a great leader in the field, died?

He was assassinated by agents of the leadership he followed all the days of his military life.

Likely, yes. And why was that? Because he was not too wild about the Soviets, and might have been a threat to starting a war with them with the 3rd Army if given half a chance. So he had to die. So be it. When you are discussing pure warriors that's all their good for anyway. He should have died in battle. HENCE, why I am arguing for the end-time saints - those called to it anyway - to go out dying a true soldier's death, the way the apostles did.

I want you to share something with me. What has led you to this place where you see a position like mine as glorifying a type of glad masochism, rather than advocating the determination of warriors of Christ not to let anything deter them from what they are called to; what they are created for?

Btw, the remark about being ashamed was just me teasing you. Don't let that bother you. Wasn't meant to offend.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

Before I comment on your recent reply may I ask, are you/were you, in the military?

Well yes!


Why, because I was citing Acts 5:41? There is an attitude, an overcomer's attitude that is just different than the way most people, even most Christians think today. James who I cited, before his death, said to rejoice when we suffer diverse trials. That's not a normal mentality.

Maybe you will forgive me, but there are those who endure war and then there are those who love it; who live for it in some sense because they were destined as warriors from the beginning. This was said to be true of Patton, and I believe there will be soldiers with that sort of a sense of destiny about them in the end-times. He is the pure warrior a thing to be despised?


A Ha Ha!! That's not quite it, no. This may be what Mjrhealth was talking about but it's not what I mean. If anything the suffering of knowing what may become of our torturers might be the worst, which is why Stephen prayed, "Lord, let this sin not be charged to their account." I'm saying the love of God overcomes it all. He was too busy beholding the glory of God and Christ seed at His right hand to focus on his own suffering and death.


Ok, you keep making this statement, but please explain it to me further. I can't make out what it is communicating, and when that happens it's usually because what is being communicated is so foreign to my thinking that I can't comprehend it. But maybe I'm wrong here. What on earth do you mean by "God doesn't need our help to remain Sovereign"?


Ah, but again you are underestimating me. How well do you actually know me here?


Glad masochism! LoL. I'm advocating being spiritual a$$-kickers here; of the blood of the martyrs being the seeds of the harvest; of manifesting to the world that our lack of fear even in death is a testimony in and of itself. I don't have a masochistic bone in my body, LoL.


No, actually it's not, LoL.


Likely, yes. And why was that? Because he was not too wild about the Soviets, and might have been a threat to starting a war with them with the 3rd Army if given half a chance. So he had to die. So be it. When you are discussing pure warriors that's all their good for anyway. He should have died in battle. HENCE, why I am arguing for the end-time saints - those called to it anyway - to go out dying a true soldier's death, the way the apostles did.

I want you to share something with me. What has led you to this place where you see a position like mine as glorifying a type of glad masochism, rather than advocating the determination of warriors of Christ not to let anything deter them from what they are called to; what they may be created for?

Btw, the remark about being ashamed was just me teasing you. Don't let that bother you. Wasn't meant to offend.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Before I comment on your recent reply may I ask, are you/were you, in the military?

I'm glad you haven't commented yet because the damn thing was full of typos anyway, LoL.

No, I have not. I was moments away from signing on the dotted line to become a Marine, but the thought occurred that my family might be upset if they were not told first. When informed they almost threw a conniption, LoL.

Now in asking me that don't go insinuating I only think I would be able to endure war. That would be an assumption, Ma'am. I was built for war, and would be just as comfortable on the front lines as anywhere, if not MORE so.

 

[RainAndIceCream]

I'm glad you haven't commented yet because the damn thing was full of typos anyway, LoL.

No, I have not. I was moments away from signing on the dotted line to become a Marine, but the thought occurred that my family might be upset if they were not told first. When informed they almost threw a conniption, LoL.

Now in asking me that don't go insinuating I only think I would be able to endure war. That would be an assumption, Ma'am. I was built for war, and would be just as comfortable on the front lines as anywhere, if not MORE so.

Well, I will say I know a number of active and retired military. I'll move on to answer your typo laden ;) post shortly.

 

[Fred Eans]

Well, the picture shows an angel having wings, and they don’t. There probably won’t be another 15 years. The coming of AntiChrist is soon. This is the last generation of the flesh. The world is following the scriptures right on schedule. So there isn’t a whole lot of time for changes, except for repenting for anything you might feel in your heart is wrong, you know, a guilty conscience.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

whose silence is
more powerful than others' speech"

Yes. His silence is more powerful than others speech...as another member pointed out Luke 23:9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

Thank you for sharing ...I had never read that before.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If anything the suffering of knowing what may become of our torturers might be the worst, which is why Stephen prayed, "Lord, let this sin not be charged to their account."

What of Saul/Paul who stood by and consented to Stephen’s death and kept the coats of those who stoned Stephen calling on the Lord? Wadr, Disagree as the Glory Stephen saw opened and revealed in might and power and Majesty was “For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. [10] But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. [11] Therefore whether it were I or (Stephen)they, so we preach, and so ye believed.” 1 Corinthians 15:9-11

 

[VictoryinJesus]

John 15:16-17 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. [17] These things I command you, that ye love one another.

[QUOTE="Hidden In Him, post: 759567, member: 7840"]Stephen prayed, "Lord, let this sin not be charged to their account." I'm saying the love of God overcomes it all. He was too busy beholding the glory of God and Christ seated at His right hand to focus on his own suffering and death.[/QUOTE]

Stephen prayed, Lord...then we see Paul speaking bold of the Lord of that which remaineth...ask so that you will bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain. Stephen asked, Saul/Paul was brought forth and fruit remains...we read the testimony of both.

You said “He was too busy beholding the glory of God and Christ seated at His right hand to focus on his own suffering and death” ...”For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” Romans 8:18

 

[FollowHim]

I'm glad that the Catholic Church has stood strong in opposing homosexuality, PJ, I truly am. But there are serious problems inherent in the church where this issue is concerned, and I think they are going to eventually come home to roost.

I discussed this some in the following; Posts #1 and #2 especially, though this is by no means an exhaustive treatment of the subject. But respond to the links on Post #2 if you would like to. I would like to hear your thoughts if possible:
Australian Prophecies, Part 3

My response is the issue is hedonism not homosexuality.
There is a belief spread by atheists that morality is pointless and carnal desires should rule ones life, and to deny this is to be judgemental.

The spread of pornography, prostitution, affairs, orgies, abuse of women and children gives testimony that this is the direction of travel of many. Mental illness often follows shortly behind, and leads to isolated lonely people without foundation or focus.

The danger we face is the more extreme political extremes become more popular, and social and economic stress increases where war and domination of one group over another seems to be the only solution where a label like homosexuality or another minority who need to take up violence to solve their issues.

However people can find stability in their lives and become worthwhile contributors to society, I will say amen to.
Racism, discrimination will never end, because its root cause is a lack of love and empathy. And this lack of empathy occurs in all social groups as well as the church. My experience of those who desire sexual relationships outside faithfulness, commitment and love, is it destroys and kills people inside as well as sometimes physically.

So the issue has always been about love and maturing in it, of which there are many sins that show how far we still need to go.
So many young people are searching to find who they are, and mature into loving adults, and some seem to get very lost along the way. If we can learn to know our own issues and theirs, there is hope that the extremes will be avoided. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

Love Island - TV show in the UK

A sexual fest for people who think relationships of people in their 20's should be based on physical looks and not love for the whole person. If this becomes what life is just, then we have no future........or deserve one. The road to Sodom and Gomorrah.

I would not want to live in such a society, ever. I would want the Lord to take me home.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well, the picture shows an angel having wings, and they don’t. There probably won’t be another 15 years. The coming of AntiChrist is soon. This is the last generation of the flesh. The world is following the scriptures right on schedule. So there isn’t a whole lot of time for changes, except for repenting for anything you might feel in your heart is wrong, you know, a guilty conscience.

What of Saul/Paul who stood by and consented to Stephen’s death and kept the coats of those who stoned Stephen calling on the Lord? Wadr, Disagree as the Glory Stephen saw opened and revealed in might and power and Majesty was “For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. [10] But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. [11] Therefore whether it were I or (Stephen)they, so we preach, and so ye believed.” 1 Corinthians 15:9-11

My response is the issue is hedonism not homosexuality.
There is a belief spread by atheists that morality is pointless and carnal desires should rule ones life, and to deny this is to be judgemental.

The spread of pornography, prostitution, affairs, orgies, abuse of women and children gives testimony that this is the direction of travel of many. Mental illness often follows shortly behind, and leads to isolated lonely people without foundation or focus.

The danger we face is the more extreme political extremes become more popular, and social and economic stress increases where war and domination of one group over another seems to be the only solution where a label like homosexuality or another minority who need to take up violence to solve their issues.

However people can find stability in their lives and become worthwhile contributors to society, I will say amen to.
Racism, discrimination will never end, because its root cause is a lack of love and empathy. And this lack of empathy occurs in all social groups as well as the church. My experience of those who desire sexual relationships outside faithfulness, commitment and love, is it destroys and kills people inside as well as sometimes physically.

So the issue has always been about love and maturing in it, of which there are many sins that show how far we still need to go.
So many young people are searching to find who they are, and mature into loving adults, and some seem to get very lost along the way. If we can learn to know our own issues and theirs, there is hope that the extremes will be avoided. God bless you

Guys, I appreciate the responses, but in this thread I was calling on others to post publicly what they would do in the situation described in the OP, should they desire to. The thread is akin to a survey.

I have no problems with others discussing side issues with each other if they want to, but ever since the debate that developed between Rain and I, it seems to have drifted off track somewhat. To anyone addressing me on this one, I'd courteously but respectfully ask that the question in the OP remain the primary topic of discussion. Not offended. It's just that it's drifting into discussions that are too far afield from what I was asking about in the OP.

God bless,
Hidden

 

[FollowHim]

Guys, I appreciate the responses, but in this thread I was calling on others to post publicly what they would do in the situation described in the OP, should they desire to. The thread is akin to a survey.

I have no problems with others discussing side issues with each other if they want to, but ever since the debate that developed between Rain and I, it seems to have drifted off track somewhat. To anyone addressing me on this one, I'd courteously but respectfully ask that the question in the OP remain the primary topic of discussion. Not offended. It's just that it's drifting into discussions that are too far afield from what I was asking about in the OP.

God bless,
Hidden

What would I do, would be to question what is a homosexual?
We are already LGBTQ+ and soon will be probably more on top.

If believing scripture is illegal, I will still believe it, and follow it. God bless you

 

[Timtofly]

What would I do, would be to question what is a homosexual?
We are already LGBTQ+ and soon will be probably more on top.

If believing scripture is illegal, I will still believe it, and follow it. God bless you

What do you mean by "we are".

Paul in Romans 1 says, "we once were"
Just reading Romans 1 out loud in a crowd today would start an emotionally incited riot. This world does not want to hear Romans 1.

 

[FollowHim]

What do you mean by "we are".

Paul in Romans 1 says, "we once were"
Just reading Romans 1 out loud in a crowd today would start an emotionally incited riot. This world does not want to hear Romans 1.

The "world" is still debating what is sexual impulse and its varied expressions.
It is obvious sexuality and identity are complicated, and not all people mature to a good position.
Paul is saying our incorrect focus is because we do not have God at the centre of our lives, which puts sexuality in its proper place and role. It is an interesting point that when sexuality dominates a personality they become a rampaging beast with no end to their destructive appetite and the number of lives they will destroy and distort. I found Epstein series on Netflix shocking and also eye opening how a destructive personality corrupts everyone around them, like lust is not a depraved focus for life, and once taken captive the perpetrator is its slave.

This is not news though, as the sexually based communities soon discovered when sex is not limited, it becomes meaningless and destructive to who we are emotionally. Not surprising when sex is to produce a stable couple who will raise children in a loving caring environment, so the next generation can survive.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Guys, I appreciate the responses, but in this thread I was calling on others to post publicly what they would do in the situation described in the OP, should they desire to. The thread is akin to a survey.

Ok. Don’t see the answer in the options you gave but I would wait on the Lord not knowing before hand what I would do or say. I’ve struggled with answering your “what would you do” in light of those already standing up town on the street corner with bullhorns screaming homosexuals are going to burn in Hell. Didn't read all your post but from what I read it wasn’t the homosexual killing those who disagree but instead the government or world killing those who refuse to accept its ways. All of its ways. And there are many not just one. To be fair, you asked but you don’t get to dictate the answer until finding the ones you like or agree with you. How can we predict ahead of time what we would say or do when Colossians 4:4-6 shows “That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak. [5] Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. [6] Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Walk in wisdom toward them that are without: James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
^doesn't come with a bullhorn not needing one to be sufficient.

“let your speech be alway with grace...that you may know how you ought to answer every man.” Which is why I kept asking in your opinion what was the example in Jesus Christ. Because shouldn’t He be the focus in “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.” Matthew 11:29