I think we might be at cross purposes and not understanding each other with some things. In a nutshell.......you said we are born of the spirit, not of God's word .....and that we are not born again through the word. I certainly don't dispute that the Holy Spirit is involved in the new birth, but I'm just pointing out how God's word IS ALSO involved in the new birth. That is where we seem to be disagreeing, as far as I can make out. Anyhow, going to have to leave it there for now sister.
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amigo de christo
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He how makes us born again IS GOD . and sister lizbeth and myself know this .
But lets not forget That SAME GOD INSPIRED THEM WORDS in that bible .
And we would do extremely WELL and good for ourselves TO BE DUG IN IT BIG TIME DAILY .
many men , many peoples and that even within christendom who dare to claim HIS NAME
are ONLY USING that name to DECIEVE people sister .
Their love has erorrs , their judge not has big time errors
their liberty has errors , their freedom has errors
their correction is dead wrong cause at most they only whine
and bicker against certain folks who Heed Christ and stay dug in them bibles for learning .
As we expose their sins and errors and hyprocrices . BUT THE PROBLEM IS
many folks are not well learned at all . And these men
can say certain truths , and yet all the while they lead the unstable into total darkness .
AND WE GOT ONE AMONGST US SISTER . more than one actually .
Now i know most folks might not have seen every exchange between epi and a few others
BUT THEY BE PREACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL SISTER and THAT IS A FACT . ITS A FACT and it is A FACT .
Never forget that . many may not know that , BUT I DO and i did so much to try and help epi
but HE has GREATLY GREATLY RESISTED these words sister . AND He didnt even try and hide it .
THEY BELIEVE IN INCLUSIVITY sister . they preach aspects about the cross
about doing good and etc , YET refuse to lip and even attack those who DO LIP the DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
YOU better watch out sister cause these men are very slick cats
amigo de christo
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in part you are correct . it was However GOD that was leading them .
But yes , many a soul that has been put into the holy scriptures , to learn
have learned by GOD and have seen first hand TORAH LEADETH TO CHRIST .
GOD was with them and had taught them . And they did COME TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
EVERY man who has learned and been taught of THE FATHER cometh TO ME .
Now its true i was saved on day one . But something was also occuring
while i read daily and for hours daily that bible .
I was gaining knowlege , wisdom , even understanding by THE SPIRIT
but also something else was occuring . The more i read
the more i began on a very deep , very deep level
to see myself as GOD sees man . AND i sure didnt see any good in me , CEPT FOR THE HOLY GHOST .
GOD led me and humbled me through knowledge and learning
and sister , i still remember the day i cried out and even said , LORD save me from even my own self , my own
wicked flesh . I SEEN JUST TRULY HOW VERY MUCH I DEEPLY NEED JESUS THE CHRIST .
THEM WORDS work GOOD . they surely DO . and the more i read
the more i soon began to see why most churches had left me so empty when it came to doctrine .
AND YET the truth in that bible that i read daily , JUST FILLED MY SOUL WITH JOY and HUNGER
to only learn more so as i could even serve the LORD better .
I seen what i did not know at the first . FOR i did not know why TBN and TV ministires
were leaving me so darn empty , YET THE BIBLE NEVER DID .
BUT SOON through learning and that BY HIS GRACE , I FOUND OUT VERY CLEAR as to why
I was so empty with church doctrines , with TV ministires . THEY WOLVES SISTER , THEY WOLVES IN WOOL
and they DECIEVE THIS PEOPLE .
Ritajanice
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Actually it’s Gods Living witness who makes our spirit Born Again....God couldn’t come down as he is.
Why do you think Jesus had to die?
So that we can receive His Spirit.....Spirit gives birth to spirit?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You both know everything about God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit do you?
Epi knows what has been revealed to him by the Spirit of God, a lot of what he says I don’t understand,some of what he says I understand.
Seems like if some don’t believe as you do, then they can’t be Born Of The Spirit.
Good job I have the backing of Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit ,in my spirit “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “ plus the back up Gods written word.
Who do you think witnesses the truth of Gods word to my spirit....without God’s Living witness in our hearts/ spirit....you’re on your own....Gods written word is understood in the spirit as it’s a spiritual book.
That’s why we need to be Born Of The Spirit....who leads us in spirit and truth.through the Bible ,Gods written word .
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amigo de christo
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I dont know much at all sister , but i do by grace know this , HIS LIVING SPIRIT
would never testify AS DO EPI . You apprently aint seen much of what he said
months back to me and others . IF you had , THERE IS NO WAY you would in any way shape or form support that man .
WITHOUT JESUS THE CHRIST we can do nothing .
But epi goes about trying to PROVE HOW WE AND MUSLIMS and OTHERS who BELIEVE NOT
can pick up the cross and etc . YA BETTER watch out .
THE MOMENT epi lipped that inclusive nonsense was the moment i realized
it didnt matter if the man knew certain truths or not
ITS ALL IN VAIN SISTER . AND I MEAN ALL OF IT . EVEN THE JEWS TRIED TO ESTABLISH THEY OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS
withou FAITH . DIDNT BODE WELL for them either .
NOW the DIRE NEED TO REMIND all that IT IS A DIRE NECESSITY TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
must be put first again .
I can teach all the concepts about the cross i know
and about doing good works i know , BUT IF I DONT PREACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
to those lost souls i do teach , ITS ALL IN VAIN . ALL OF IT , EVERY LAST WORD OF IT .
EVERY last word of it . JESUS is getting DENIED by this inclusivism junk .
at most they just teach certain things HE TAUGHT , even using His name to DECIEVE the church right into a lie .
That man can do this , man can attain , man can pick up his own cross , have salvation , be rigtheous
WITHOUT FAITH IN GOD . AND GUESS what rita
if one has no faith IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , THEY GOT NO FAITH IN GOD HIMSELF . i am gonna expose
this man and his gospel and may he repent of it .
Ritajanice
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To be honest Brother @amigo de christo I get fed up going over the same old ground.
It’s not my place to stand in judgement of Epi......
It’s not my place to stand in judgement of Epi......
amigo de christo
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epi knows what has been revealed to him by the same spirit that revealed this incluisive stuff to pope francis .
and scores of others . IT IS COMING from another spirit rita .
NO SPIRIT OF GOD would say and imply certain things that these inclusivians dare to even believe and to teach .
THE SPIRIT TESTIFIES OF JESUS CHRIST
it dont just testify , OH IT DONT MATTER IF YOU MUSLIM < BUDDIST , etc
the spirit is in you if you just loved do and picked up your cross or etc . ITS A LIE RITA .
NO SHEEP IS GONNA HEED THIS LIE RITA .
From the bahis to many others who cliam to know JESUS , THEY ARE ALL teaching in concept THIS LIE rita
as is the other false religoins also unto their own false religoins .
ITS AN AGENDA RITA . TO MERGE THE RELIGOINS . TO find common ground
and they found a common ground . ITS A wordly version of love and good works
BUT IT AINT GONNA SAVE A ONE OF THEM RITA . IT DENIES THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and implies a whopper of a lie indeed .
amigo de christo
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Dont get weary in defending the true GOSPEL .
John even said if a man brings not that doctrine .........
paul even said if we an angel or any preaches any other gospel unto you ............
they are NOT PREACHING THE ORIGINAL GOSPEL . this is a death sentence .
Its not like its just some little teaching like pre , mid , or post trib. EPI HIMSELF is teaching CONTRARY TO THE ABOSLUTE
ONLY GOSPEL , THE JESUS who can save . this is way to serious a matter .
Ritajanice
Born-Again
So why hasn’t he been booted off the board if what he teaches is against God’s written word?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Indeed the Living Holy Spirit does testify to our spirit all about Jesus, that he was crucified ,died a terrible death, was resurrected and is now seated with God..
Jesus gave His Life so that we could receive His Spirit....we are Born Of The Spirit.
What about these who say you can look to the cross and become Born Again, do you understand that teaching, because I certainly don’t?
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. New Living Translation We do this by keeping our eyes on Jesus, the champion who initiates and perfects our faith. Because of the joy awaiting him, he endured the cross, disregarding its shame. Now he is seated in the place of honor beside God’s throne. English Standard Version looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Berean Standard Bible Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. |
Eternally Grateful
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even if we are not going to change that persons mind, we have to stand for the benefit of those who may fall for their lie
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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cause this site like most others are now only concerned about judge not , lets just have unity .
The church has lost something and when it stopped correcting sins and errors
it allowed in even the ultimate lie . When leaven comes in
and aint corrected it only leads to more and more leaven . it did its work dear sister .
It did its work . Soon enough most folks will wear down and out
and no one will even care anymore , it will be lets just entertain one another
and who cares what one believes anymore . Its a sad fact sister .
Men like me are a dying breed sister . we getting run off more and more
and people are just getting worn down sister .
But i aint giving up . Let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST depart from inquity
and let us learn the biblical pattern well . WE are in the last o days rita .
We were warned it was gonna get real bad and seducers would wax massive .
Well it has and they have too . But march on sister . Never give up , never give in
just point to the glorious LORD till the LORD call us home or HE COME which ever comes first .
amigo de christo
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SPOT ON RIGHT we do . To the trenches to the last and final breath OR THE LORD DO COME .
Praise be to HIS HOLY NAME .
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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Notice what peter and later paul went about preaching .
Compare that to what we hear today as folks leave all other religoins in total darkness .
For they say let all the world know assuredly , IT DONT MATTER WHAT RELIGOIN one is of
It dont matter if they believe JESUS TO BE THE CHRIST or not
just find common ground and do some good works . Talk about a delusion . what a strong delusion too .
IT has removed the dire necessity to repent and beleive ON THE VERY CHRIST THAT GOD THE FATHER SENT .
and how fast the peoples have quickly forgotten
that He who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , is an anti christ . BUT all they wanna do is FIND COMMON GROUND .
SO telll me everyone what common ground is there between CHRIST and ANTI CHRIST .
exactly . THERE AINT . we must preach the original life saving and life changing gospel of CHRIST JESUS .
Do not be lulled away by means of a love that has come of the world
to simply merge all to be as one under what they will and even now do beleive to be GOD .
Cause , WELLL , it AINT GOD . Its the dragon masquerading as an angel of light and love
to simply seduce planet earth and all within it to merge in one final hour as ONE with IT . watch out folks .
amigo de christo
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The challenge to all today is
let us go again into the book of acts , heck even into the gospels , into the letters of paul and the others .
AND let us SEE EXACTLY WHO and what THEY PREACHED .
then lets see who is been the one lying to the peoples . It aint those who preach the dire need
to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
its those WHO say otherwise and just holler lets find common ground WHO BE THE DECIEVERS OF this people
and of this world . as i am darn sure you Will agree .
For if any comes and brings NOT THIS DOCTRINE
notice john didnt say , OH WELL , just hug and find common ground with them . NOR DID PAUL
when writing to the galations say
IF even an angel , we are any preach any other gospel unto you , OH WELL ITS FINE LETS JUST HUG and FIND COMMONGROUND .
HE said LET them be accursed . aka PUT OUT . So much for unity with anti christs . You see it didnt exist
IN JESUS day nor the days of the apostels and their DOCTRINE . THEIR DOCTRINE
POINTED TO ONLY ONE NAME . WITH an heavy EMPHASIS on the DIRE NEED TO REPENT AND BELEIVE ON THAT NAME
CHRIST JESUS .
it even came with the shaking off of dust against those who rejected it , as a sign of what is to come upon
all WHO DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST . THEY WERE DARN SERIOUS . WE NEED TO BE SERIOUS TOO .
amigo de christo
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The words of Christ are Spirit and they are life .
Unto those who hear and recieve and do they have eternal life
but woe unto those who deny and reject JESUS the CHRIST
for the same words WILL BE THEIR JUDGE ON the last day . watch out folks
for many have come in under the guise they aer of us
and yet they preach quite contrary to JESUS the CHRIST
and offer up only false hope , a works to save thinself gospel under guise it is love .
THERE BE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE .
and it aint man that can save himself . ITS GOD WHO CAN SAVE
and GOD long ago predetermined HOW TO SAVE .
TO SEND JESUS THE CHRIST that all who do beleive would be saved , would not perish .
But remember let us be hearers and doers of the WORD and not as many who decieve themselves .
FOR IT IS GOD in the lambs who works in us that which is well pleasing IN HIS SIGHT .
AND i never once read where sin was ever pleasing TO GOD .
Thus lets not make THE FATHER OR THE SON into a minstir of any sin
or a lie that denies HIM . watch out the serpent is very slick and very subtile and very crafity indeed .
And many of his ministirs are well learned in the ways of darkness and can twist scrips
unto their own destrution and unto the destruction of those who sit under them and beleive the things they preach .
Unto those who hear and recieve and do they have eternal life
but woe unto those who deny and reject JESUS the CHRIST
for the same words WILL BE THEIR JUDGE ON the last day . watch out folks
for many have come in under the guise they aer of us
and yet they preach quite contrary to JESUS the CHRIST
and offer up only false hope , a works to save thinself gospel under guise it is love .
THERE BE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE .
and it aint man that can save himself . ITS GOD WHO CAN SAVE
and GOD long ago predetermined HOW TO SAVE .
TO SEND JESUS THE CHRIST that all who do beleive would be saved , would not perish .
But remember let us be hearers and doers of the WORD and not as many who decieve themselves .
FOR IT IS GOD in the lambs who works in us that which is well pleasing IN HIS SIGHT .
AND i never once read where sin was ever pleasing TO GOD .
Thus lets not make THE FATHER OR THE SON into a minstir of any sin
or a lie that denies HIM . watch out the serpent is very slick and very subtile and very crafity indeed .
And many of his ministirs are well learned in the ways of darkness and can twist scrips
unto their own destrution and unto the destruction of those who sit under them and beleive the things they preach .
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