Are You Dead to Self?

[amigo de christo]

Well, was God showing "favouritism" when He chose them? Is He showing "favouritism" every time He chooses anyone for His purposes? Do you think it's a fun thing to be "chosen" by Him or does it come with a great cost?

There is a spirit of antisemitism being stirred up right now....we need to guard our hearts (for out of it is supposed to flow issues of LIFE) and remember what Paul said in Romans.

And just to say....God promised not to "make a full end" of the Jewish people....they are still here and even can be discerned at times......their gifts and callings are without repentance. Does that mean they always do right? No, they are lost souls, and according to the Lord there is no one righteous, no not one, in the fallen realm of this world. Sometimes they do well and try to do right, other times or in other ways not..... some are so lovely and kind hearted, others can be unconscionable scoundrels.......like anyone in this fallen world. And what is our attitude as believers supposed to be toward lost souls? Did Jesus leave us here to denigrate and judge lost souls or to try and bring them His mercy?

That said, we must not put the Jewish people on a pedestal or follow after them........we have what they need, the gospel, not the other way around. Friendship with the world is enmity with God. (Of course, that doesn't mean to be "unfriendly", it means to be separate from the world.)

antisemitism is rising dear sister . and you are spot on right to also say we are not to put them on a pedastool
but rather THEY TOO NEED TO REPENT AND BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
GOD is not gonna just reject the gentiles who rejected JESUS the CHRIST , HE DO IT TO A JEW TOO .
and this is something the nar turkeys need to figure out and fast too . THEY hold the jews up
on a whole nother playing field concerning salvation .
AND YET FORGOT or never knew that TORAH was first written to the jews
and WITHIN EVEN TORAH IT POINTED THEM TO JESUS THE CHRIST
Folks forget things real quickly . THEY forget that if anyone , whether jew or gentile
WHO REJECTES JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY REJECTED GOD THE FATHER WHO SENT HIM . and that is a VERY SOLID TRUTH and FACT .
ONE who rejects JESUS THE CHRIST , REJECTES GOD HIMSELF .
There is something else that is rising up even faster than anti semtism
and it has come from within even the realm of christendom itself and has spread far and wide
unto all religoins , into the public , through education , news and even politcs .
ANTI GOD ISM and those who FOLLOW HIM . the new jew of today
IS the fundamental bible beleiving christain who is not conforming to their inclusive love god .
WE the ones that will soon have to face what the jews did under hitler
ONLY THIS TIME , THIS KING sits not over just germany but rather THE WORLD ITSELF and is merging
the nimrods to BE AS ONE .

 

[amigo de christo]

We are Born Of The Spirit.

We are not Born of the Word?

Being Born Of The Spirit is a supernatural act of God via His Spirit...we are not Born Again through the word, we are Born Again by Gods Witness the Living Holy Spirit...you do NOT need the written word to understand that?....The Living word backs up the written word.

We need God’s Living witness to make our spirit Born Again, then Gods written word backs up the Living Holy Spirit Word, who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Are you saying we can’t live without the written word?

I think you need to understand what Epi says, regarding the spiritual birth?

Do you understand what he is saying below here?

I follow Christ and I read the bible. :) Testimony is better than theology. Testimony is real experience...theology is based on suppositions

I say Amen! @Episkopos .

You say amen to a man who is of this world . a man who preaches and has long preached another gospel .
Sister lizbeth already well knows WE NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN
but she , like me , are doing all we can to remind the peoples to get back into the bible .
You already KNOW why i warn folks to do so . Its cause , as i wrote afore , many within christendom
are claiming to be hearing of the SPIRIT , even born of the SPIRIT , and yet their THUS SAYETHS
are contradicting both JESUS THE CHRIST and the apostels , THAT DOCTRINE in that BIBLE .
This message i bring so often is for a good reason .
What did paul remind timothy to do . STIR THYSELF UP
what did even peter remind the church , i stir you up BY REMEMBRANCE .
HIS LETTERS , their reminders ARE A HUGE WAY TO STIR US UP TO REMEMBRANCE .
We got to get this people back into the bible again . TOO many are leading far too many astary
and they ALL THINK they born again and have the SPIRIT and yet
HECK THEY WONT EVEN TESTIFY OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
THE SPIRIT TESTIFIES OF JESUS CHRIST
THE SPIRIT OF EVEN PROPHECY ITSELF , TESTIFIES OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
most no longer do . they either preach another jesus another gospel and just focus on good works and so called love
and yet preach another inclusive false gospel that just wont save squat . too many do not KNOW
CHRIST JESUS and need to learn HIS OWN teachings for themselves and the teachings and the reminders
OF the apostels too .

 

[Lizbeth]

We are Born Of The Spirit.

We are not Born of the Word?

Being Born Of The Spirit is a supernatural act of God via His Spirit...we are not Born Again through the word, we are Born Again by Gods Witness the Living Holy Spirit...you do NOT need the written word to understand that?....The Living word backs up the written word.

We need God’s Living witness to make our spirit Born Again, then Gods written word backs up the Living Holy Spirit Word, who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Are you saying we can’t live without the written word?

I think you need to understand what Epi says, regarding the spiritual birth?

Do you understand what he is saying below here?

I follow Christ and I read the bible. :) Testimony is better than theology. Testimony is real experience...theology is based on suppositions

I say Amen! @Episkopos .

The living word was written down........and it is the Spirit that quickens it. When we came to faith the Lord quickened His word to our hearts, the word of the gospel. Being "born of the Spirit" is only an allegory......and it takes the spirit AND the word to bring about the "new birth". As Mary is a type and shadow (allegory) of what happens to believers........remember that she believed/received the word spoken to her by the angel......the seed of the word.......and what was conceived in her was of the Holy Spirit. What else can we liken this to.......the word is the fuel and the Holy Spirit is the spark that ignites it....giving it life? New life, aka new birth. Either one without the other isn't going to work. If you want light, you need both the lamp and the oil.

I wasn't really thinking about what Epi said in particular, but think I understand his point....I gather he is talking about theology that is suspect. We do need sound theology....and that is more than mere suppositions surely, and is revealed to us by the Lord (His Spirit).

I think this is what some call a "false dichotomy".....? To set up an argument between two things that are not actually in conflict with one another...? Sound theology and personally experiencing what God talks about in His word are both good. It's not a case of one being better than the other. (Not everything in the bible is about personal experience either, some things are just for our understanding.) Same principle with how we need both the Holy Spirit and we need the word. It isn't a case of one over the other, or one versus the other.

 

[Ritajanice]

The living word was written down........and it is the Spirit that quickens it. When we came to faith the Lord quickened His word to our hearts, the word of the gospel. Being "born of the Spirit" is only an allegory......and it takes the spirit AND the word to bring about the "new birth". As Mary is a type and shadow (allegory) of what happens to believers........remember that she believed/received the word spoken to her by the angel......the seed of the word.......and what was conceived in her was of the Holy Spirit. What else can we liken this to.......the word is the fuel and the Holy Spirit is the spark that ignites it....giving it life? New life, aka new birth. Either one without the other isn't going to work. If you want light, you need both the lamp and the oil.

I wasn't really thinking about what Epi said in particular, but think I understand his point....I gather he is talking about theology that is suspect. We do need sound theology....and that is more than mere suppositions surely, and is revealed to us by the Lord (His Spirit).

I think this is what some call a "false dichotomy".....? To set up an argument between two things that are not actually in conflict with one another...? Sound theology and personally experiencing what God talks about in His word are both good. It's not a case of one being better than the other. (Not everything in the bible is about personal experience either, some things are just for our understanding.) Same principle with how we need both the Holy Spirit and we need the word. It isn't a case of one over the other, or one versus the other.

That is your understanding of being Born Again...sorry Sis, makes not an ounce of sense to me, as it’s written by you.

Being Born Again is exactly how God says it is...nothing complicated in understanding the written word as long as you have the backing of Gods Living witness...His Holy Spirit

We receive the Living spiritual birth...the written word does not make our spirit Born Again.

 

[Ritajanice]

The living word was written down

The written word is the Bible.

We need God’s witness the Living Holy Spirit to make our spirit Born Again, the written word can’t do that.

The written word is backed up by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit?

 

[Wynona]

That is your understanding of being Born Again...sorry Sis, makes not an ounce of sense to me, as it’s written by you.

Being Born Again is exactly how God says it is...nothing complicated in understanding the written word as long as you have the backing of Gods Living witness...His Holy Spirit

We receive the Living spiritual birth...the written word does not make our spirit Born Again.

Hi Sis! Id say its both the Spirit and the Word. Spirit and Truth.


James 1:21
King James Version
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

1 Peter 1:23
King James Version
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[marks]

2 Timothy 3:14-17 KJV
14) But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

You say amen to a man who is of this world . a man who preaches and has long preached another gospel .
Sister lizbeth already well knows WE NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN

I said Amen to part of his post and I say Amen again to it.

We are Born Again by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit...the supernatural =spiritual Living Birth.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hi Sis! Id say its both the Spirit and the Word. Spirit and Truth.


James 1:21
King James Version
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

1 Peter 1:23
King James Version
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Ok Sis, the thing is...only Gods Living witness can back up Gods written word..are you with me?

As His word says we must be Born Again/ Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.

Some ( not you) post scripture... yet can’t back that scripture up by Gods witness, the Living Holy Spirit..

When I ask them what it means to be Born Again and what in them has been Born Again...who testifies Gods truth to our spirit, they get all defensive for some reason....if one has been Born Of The Spirit...then why can’t they back it up...as in what it means.only Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit can do that....

 

[Wynona]

Am I dead to self?

No. There is still a cross to carry and nails to drive in. The me that would live a comfortable life at the expense of others still needs to die.

The me that envys the wicked with money and property needs to die. The me that can be distracted by junk media, entertainment, and worldliness needs to die.

No worries. I fully intend to kill her.

 

[Wynona]

Ok Sis, the thing is...only Gods Living witness can back up Gods written word..are you with me?

As His word says we must be Born Again/ Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.

Some ( not you) post scripture... yet can’t back that scripture up by Gods witness, the Living Holy Spirit..

When I ask them what it means to be Born Again and what in them has been Born Again...who testifies Gods truth to our spirit, they get all defensive for some reason....if one has been Born Of The Spirit...then why can’t they back it up...as in what it means.only Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit can do that....

I think I understand?

Are you saying that people are posting Scriptures and misapplying them because the Holy Spirit is not backing their understanding of it?

 

[marks]

That is your understanding of being Born Again...sorry Sis, makes not an ounce of sense to me, as it’s written by you.

What does it mean to be born again - to you - in your own words.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

I think I understand?

Are you saying that people are posting Scriptures and misapplying them because the Holy Spirit is not backing their understanding of it?

I am saying, when asked questions on what it means to be Born Again...we must understand scripture through God’ witness His Living Holy Spirit.

How can one understand the written word without the back up of Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Who testifies Gods truth first to our spirit?

Gods truth of who we are in Christ ,comes from Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit...without that truth, we would be leading ourselves through the written word..that is my belief,Sis.

I guess I need to understand that it takes time for the Spirit to bring us to understanding Gods written word....including myself....it’s taken Him years via His Living Holy Spirit to get me to understand his written word.

 

[Ritajanice]

What does it mean to be born again - to you - in your own words.

Much love!

I’ve already explained countless times...Spirit gives birth to spirit?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, he speaks to our spirit?

How else would I know I was Born Of The Spirit?

My spirit has been Born Again of incorruptible seed that liveth and abideth forever?

My spirit has been Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit....he birthed my spirit into His, my testimony and belief.

 

[Lizbeth]

I’ve already explained countless times...Spirit gives birth to spirit?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, he speaks to our spirit?

How else would I know I was Born Of The Spirit?

My spirit has been Born Again of incorruptible seed that liveth and abideth forever?

My spirit has been Born Again by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit....he birthed my spirit into His, my testimony and belief.

Yes, that is all very true, amen. I'm not disputing that at all, and I don't think anyone here is disputing that.........but ALSO we want to understand that the word is involved in our spiritual birth as well. That incorruptible seed is the word of God (gospel) sown in the soil of our hearts. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." (Rom 10:17) How does a natural father beget a child...through the sowing of his seed. We are born of the Spirit, through the word.

The Spirit and the word agree.......and they each testify/witness to the other.

I'm only trying to get the point across, that we must not diminish of toss aside the importance of God's word, written or spoken. We need the Spirit AND the word, both.

(And we are to serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the letter, as I believe you agree. We are not to approach the written word as a dead letter like a textbook, but prayerfully in spirit, in order to let the Holy Spirit quicken it to us, and wash and change us inwardly. The ENTRANCE of the word giveth light.)

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, that is all very true, amen. I'm not disputing that at all, and I don't think anyone here is disputing that.........but ALSO we want to understand that the word is involved in our spiritual birth as well. That incorruptible seed is the word of God (gospel) sown in the soil of our hearts. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." (Rom 10:17) How does a natural father beget a child...through the sowing of his seed. We are born of the Spirit, through the word.

That is not how I was Born Again, no written word made my spirit Born Again, only Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit made my spirit Born Again.

I heard nothing, I was chosen and predestined to become Born Of The Spirit...so your scripture/ testimony is different to mine.

The Spirit and the word agree.......and they each testify/witness to the other.

Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit backs up Gods written word....we need God’s Living witness in our hearts/ spirit, witnessing Gods truth to our heart / spirit.

You cannot lead yourself through scripture without first becoming Born Again, by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit.

I'm only trying to get the point across, that we must not diminish of toss aside the importance of God's word, written or spoken. We need the Spirit AND the word, both.

Who has tossed Gods written word aside?

I said we would not die in our spirit without the written word.

Without the written word we would not grow or mature in Gods truth..as what we hear the witness speak to our spirit, must be checked with Gods written word.

(And we are to serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the letter, as I believe you agree. We are not to approach the written word as a dead letter like a textbook, but prayerfully in spirit, in order to let the Holy Spirit quicken it to us, and wash and change us inwardly. The ENTRANCE of the word giveth light.)

The Holy Spirit witnesses Gods truth to my heart/ spirit, then its checked what I hear him say with the written word.

 

[Lizbeth]

That is not how I was Born Again, no written word made my spirit Born Again, only Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit made my spirit Born Again.

The written word is the living word written down...they are not separate entities. Holy men of old were moved by the Holy Spirit to write down the living word that was flowing to and through them by the Spirit. The gospel writers and apostles were likewise inspired by the Spirit. God is not limited to the written word....He generally uses the spoken word ("the foolishness of preaching"), but sometimes gives direct revelation...but it is all His word nevertheless. And anyone receiving Christ receives the Word, because He IS the Word made flesh. If you received Christ without preaching/reading and then your spirit witnessed to the truth of the gospel that you heard someone preach or you read yourself in the bible afterward, it's because you "heard" and received it already in your heart/spirit when you received Christ.

Who has tossed Gods written word aside?

I said we would not die in our spirit without the written word.

I wasn't at all saying you had......but some do seem to.

If anyone doesn't know the written word very well, it can make them more vulnerable to being deceived or falling into sin. We are to grow in knowledge and understanding. Because "Without knowledge the people perish."

But this is a little like disputing whether fruit is better for you or vegetables, lol. Of course we need a balanced diet that includes both.

Without the written word we would not grow or mature in Gods truth..as what we hear the witness speak to our spirit, must be checked with Gods written word.

Amen. ok, so you do read the bible then. I'm glad. ( I was getting the impression that maybe you only looked in it to check if something you heard was true or not. ) We need to be instructed by the Lord in the written word, and be ahead of the curve so to speak, to discern things on the spot as much as possible. Otherwise it's humanly impossible to check every single statement someone makes if we have to go looking everything up every time we hear someone say something. But we grow in this.

 

[Ritajanice]

The written word is the living word written down...they are not separate entities

No it’s not.......it’s the inspired word of God Written by men under the influence of the Spirit....Gods Living witness the Holy Spirit,backs up Gods written word.

Who witnesses to our spirit that we are Born Again...Gods Living witness the Holy Spirit that’s who, he testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.....and there it is in Gods written word.....you need to be Born Of The Spirit to understand the written word of God....the Living Holy Spirit brings us to understanding Gods written word in our spirit/ heart....not the human intellect.

. Holy men of old were moved by the Holy Spirit to write down the living word that was flowing to and through them by the Spirit. The gospel writers and apostles were likewise inspired by the Spirit. God is not limited to the written word....He generally uses the spoken word ("the foolishness of preaching"), but sometimes gives direct revelation...but it is all His word nevertheless. And anyone receiving Christ receives the Word, because He IS the Word made flesh. If you received Christ without preaching/reading and then your spirit witnessed to the truth of the gospel that you heard someone preach or you read yourself in the bible afterward, it's because you "heard" and received it already in your heart/spirit when you received Christ.

You only have to know about Jesus..and God brings us to initially believe in Jesus.Faith is a gift from God...you need God’s Living witness to make your spirit Born Again.

We know God in our spirit/ heart, that is where he indwells our spirit....” Spirit gives birth to spirit “.

John 3:6

King James Version

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6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I wasn't at all saying you had......but some do seem to.

If anyone doesn't know the written word very well, it can make them more vulnerable to being deceived or falling into sin. We are to grow in knowledge and understanding. Because "Without knowledge the people perish."

People perish and are dead in spirit without God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit.who makes our spirit Born Again...

Romans 8:9-11​

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King James Version​

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9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

But this is a little like disputing whether fruit is better for you or vegetables, lol. Of course we need a balanced diet that includes both.

It includes both ....but we are led by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit to understand scripture ,we are led in spirit..Romans 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."2- Galatians 5:18 "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law."

Amen. ok, so you do read the bible then. I'm glad. ( I was getting the impression that maybe you only looked in it to check if something you heard was true or not. ) We need to be instructed by the Lord in the written word, and be ahead of the curve so to speak, to discern things on the spot as much as possible. Otherwise it's humanly impossible to check every single statement someone makes if we have to go looking everything up every time we hear someone say something. But we grow in this.

Everything The Spirit speaks to my spirit I check with scripture and no it’s not impossible to check everything that Gods Living witness speaks to our heart/ spirit ...why on earth would it be...he doesn’t speak to us like Harry down the road..

He speaks to our spirit, witnessing Gods truth to our spirit/ heart.

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◄ Romans 8:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. New Living Translation For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children. English Standard Version The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Berean Standard Bible The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Berean Literal Bible The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

We are Born Again of Incorruptible seed that liveth and abideth forever....liveth and abideth forever in our spirit/heart...Spirit gives birth to spirit...our spirit is Born Again, therefore spiritual children of God.

 

[GTW27]

100% agree with this well stated post!
Some seem to believe religiously without the checks and balances of the HS inspired word of God, and in being Spirit led in living.This makes their supposedly " spirituality " lop-sided and OBIVIOUS by their post !

Hey!

 

[quietthinker]

What is interesting to me but also alarming is the unending blather of 'born again'

Why? Firstly, because for the one born again, there is no need to rattle on about it anymore than one who can breath oxygen rattles on about breathing.
Secondly, the Spirit never witnesses to itself and neither do those who have the Spirit.

The Father reveals himself in the Son; the Son testifies to the Father and the Spirit testifies to Jesus. (John 16:13)
It is one hand washing the other so to speak, not one hand washing itself!