Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Jane_Doe22]

Correct.



I am aware but do not study the Book of Mormon…
Same as I am aware but do not study your Book of Catechism…

I would suppose some Mormon members (same as some Catholic members)…personally decide how much weight they choose to give to their own denominations “books”.

I find it interesting, you being a member of a religious organization, who has it’s own “side” Book, being critical of an other religious that does “similar”….yet negatively defensive when your own “side” book (or letters) writings are challenged.

@Jane Doe is a member of a religious organization of her choosing and responded in kind while being attacked..for things apparently “contained with-in” the Book of Mormon…
Jane is an individual, making her own “choices of what SHE adheres to or rejects”.

Glory to God,
Taken

You'd be amazed how often other folks try to inform me what I believe and how it's weighted.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Not completely true. Their organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. The root of Mormonism is John Smith. The root of Christianity is Christ and the Apostles.

Mary, do you appreciate it when folks make accusations against you, (laughably) trying informing you what Catholics believe, and how it's all unbiblical?

 

[Marymog]

Anyone can call themselves or an other…
A “CHRISTIAN”….

And anyone can DECIDE if and what…they test, discover is true, or not….and agree or disagree….Regardless of WHO proclaims it is true.

Your own head cleric proclaims things…some Catholics do and others do not Agree with.

So what? It is “individuals” who shall be judged…not “organizations”.

Maybe I haven't made myself clear. Let me try again: A Christian man had alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. He added the book of Mormon to the bible. You are focused on how Mormons interpret the NT. I am not debating that at all.

Can an organization/person/denomination be considered Christian when they believe/teach/practice teachings from the bible + an extra teaching that is allegedly from God?

You and @Wrangler have either refused to answer that or you really truly don't see what I have been saying this entire time.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Mary, do you appreciate it when folks make accusations against you, (laughably) trying informing you what Catholics believe, and how it's all unbiblical?

Hey Jane,

My previous debates with you Protestants are about biblical interpretation. You can tell me all you want that The Church is wrong in their biblical interpretation. I don't care.

This debate is about your founder adding to Christian Scripture! If you add to CHRISTIAN Scripture new teachings that were allegedly given to you by God, are you still Christian? Are you more enlightened than NT Christians because you have MORE of God's word?

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hey Jane,

My previous debates with you Protestants are about biblical interpretation. You can tell me all you want that The Church is wrong in their biblical interpretation. I don't care.

This debate is about your founder adding to Christian Scripture! If you add new teachings that were allegedly given to you by God to CHRISTIAN Scripture, are you still Christian? Or are you more enlightened that NT Christians because you have MORE of Gods word?

Mary

A CATHOLIC is complaining about not being sola biblia? That's hilarious.

 

[Taken]

Maybe I haven't made myself clear. Let me try again: A Christian man had alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. He added the book of Mormon to the bible. You are focused on how Mormons interpret the NT. I am not debating that at all.

Can an organization/person/denomination be considered Christian when they believe/teach/practice teachings from the bible + an extra teaching that is allegedly from God?

You and @Wrangler have either refused to answer that or you really truly don't see what I have been saying this entire time.

Mary

Mary, you of all people should be able to answer that for yourself…

Your “church” has a “side” Book…ie catechism….If you choose to agree or to choose to not agree with everything written in “that” book….does that make you any more or less a Christian?

Does it alter your one on one relationship with Christ the Lord?

 

[Taken]

You'd be amazed how often other folks try to inform me what I believe and how it's weighted.

Yes, I get it…I adhere to belief in pre-tribulation Rapture of Christ’s Church….

However “others” will tell me…THAT the “rapture of Christ’s Church”….has all kinds of weird “strings attached”…that MUST ALSO BE what I believe…which IS NOT SO.

For example….the most ridiculous claim of…
“A license to sin”…!! An absurd claim…and the phrase itself absurd…. A License….lol
everyone is born in sin…sin requires no license…and surely…God issues no such thing!

God Bless you,
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[RedFan]

Yes, I get it…I adhere to belief in pre-tribulation Rapture of Christ’s Church….

However “others” will tell me…THAT the “rapture of Christ’s Church”….has all kinds of weird “strings attached”…that MUST ALSO BE what I believe…which IS NOT SO.

For example….the most ridiculous claim of…
“A license to sin”…!! An absurd claim…and the phrase itself absurd…. A License….lol
everyone is born in sin…sin requires no license…and surely…God issues no such thing!

God Bless you,
Glory to God,
Taken

I've only seen the phrase "a license to sin" in the context of OSAS, where it is used as a reductio ad absurdam against those who claim that they are still saved regardless of how much they may sin.

 

[Wrangler]

Lol......Nope, didn't miss the critical word Wrangler. I saw it.

In the list you provided it shows that they are the 4rth largest Christian denomination in the US. THAT is your evidence that they are Christian. And I have already addressed this and we have already debated this.

That LDS is a Christian denomination is a fact. There is no debating facts.

If a "Christian" denomination supports abortion and gay marriage, are they "Christian" just because they say they are.

Asking a question as a means to impose a standard not used in establishing facts in evidence to disqualify said facts is absurd. The answer to your question is YES - as I've answered many, many times.

NOTE: You asking the question repeatedly does not change the answer or the facts.

And it remains the fact that LDS is a Christian denomination, the 4th largest Christian denomination in America, in fact.

 

[RedFan]

If a "Christian" denomination supports abortion and gay marriage, are they "Christian" just because they say they are.

Good question. Let's tease it apart:

1. If a "Christian" denomination supports abortion and gay marriage, are they "Christian"? My answer to that would be, it depends on what else their members believe. The fundamental beliefs and practices that qualify one as a Christian do not include opposing abortion and gay marriage. I do think that one can still be a Christian if one supports either gay marriage or abortion or both. (I know some Catholics, including in my own family, who support both. I wouldn't consider them "good" Christians, but I consider them Christians nonetheless.)

2. Is a "Christian" denomination Christian just because they say they are? My answer to that would be No.

 

[Wrangler]

No, not true Wrangler. There is a doctrine purity test to be Christian. None the less, you can stick with your opinion. I will stick with Scripture:

Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. If anyone wills to do His will,

Once again, your intellectual duplicity shows its ugly head.

God's will.​

You made up doctrine.​

Not the same thing.​

 

[th1b.taylor]

The Mormons, by any name, are not Christ Followers. Joseph Smith created his personal religion to justify his perverted desire for more than a single mate, period. Christianity in its pure form is a personal relationship with the Christ through the indwelling of the Ruah, a.k.a. the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The Mormons, by any name, are not Christ Followers. Joseph Smith created his personal religion to justify his perverted desire for more than a single mate, period. Christianity in its pure form is a personal relationship with the Christ through the indwelling of the Ruah, a.k.a. the Holy Spirit.

Hi @th1b.taylor , I'm a "Mormon". Would you like to talk about my relationship with my Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

Just an option. If you'd rather not and just leave your statement as is, I totally respect that.

 

[Wrangler]

Quote where I said that LDS have mythologies and rituals!! (Hint, you won't find it) We have been thru this before. You make a false accusation and then don't apologize and I suspect you won't this time.

You are fond of doing this. A semantics argument; Denying a general categorization is correct because you did not use those exact words.

‘Mythologies and rituals’ are my words describing the criticism of not only LDS but other denominations often the target of attack in this forum.

 

[Wrangler]

You and @Wrangler have either refused to answer that or you really truly don't see what I have been saying this entire time.

Yea, it’s not that you continue to be overly argumentative in not accepting answers provided many times.

Honestly, I think it is funny that you believe your characterization of Joseph Smith is something approaching a fair and balanced summary.

We have not heard @Jane_Doe22 on her thoughts on Smith but let me add my 2 cents. Joseph Smith is on a list I have from Intelliquest of the 100 Greatest People. In the short section on religious leaders, his name stands unique as the only religious leader on the list to be persecuted to death in a country founded on the principle of religious liberty.

No Popes were on the list.

 

[Marymog]

Honestly, I think it is funny that you believe your characterization of Joseph Smith is something approaching a fair and balanced summary.
No Popes were on the list.

Is your Popes comment a diversion?

Summary: The Mormon organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture.

What am I missing that makes me NOT fair and balanced?

Mary

 

[Wrangler]

This debate is about your founder adding to Christian Scripture!

Didn’t Christ’s followers add to the Scripture of their day?!

 

[Wrangler]

Is your Popes comment a diversion?

Context and comparison.

 

[Wrangler]

Summary: The Mormon organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture.

What am I missing that makes me NOT fair and balanced?

The pejorative use of the word “alleged”, for starters.

He did not come up with new Scripture any more than any other Scripture writer did is another way you are not fair and balanced.

 

[Marymog]

You are fond of doing this. A semantics argument; Denying a general categorization is correct because you did not use those exact words.

‘Mythologies and rituals’ are my words describing the criticism of not only LDS but other denominations often the target of attack in this forum.

Got it....Since I am fond of asking for EVIDENCE that I said something that I didn't actually say, I am the problem...Not you. The person who can't provide the evidence is NOT the problem.

Sooooo quote me where I criticized the Mormon religion? OH WAIT....once again YOU CAN'T!!! I can quote this FROM ME: I have respect for but disagree with some LDS doctrine.