Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Wrangler]

Not at all what Wrangler said!
A tennis “PLAYER” is one thing.
A football “SPECTATOR” is another thing.

I never made this comparison but being a fan of both rather than one or the other. (And a fan is more than a spectato and possibly more than even a player. The root word for fan is fanatic.)

 

[Marymog]

Yea, like the Catholics teach there is such an office as a Pope who acts as Christ in being a mediator between us and God, usurping the very role of Christ and his authority. Stuff like that, yet the Catholics can still be considered "Christian."

The office of the Pope is not what you say it is, but I BELIEVE I get the gist of your false premise.

You do not believe that the office of the Pope is specifically spelled out in Scripture therefore The Church has added to Scripture just like the Mormons did? Is that a good summary of what you are saying?

 

[Marymog]

No. Their organization was established on the root topic of the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Ok taken....help me out here.

You do not believe that LDS are non-Member spectators of Christianity! You believe that they are Christian because they follow God inspired Scripture (the Bible) and at their roots the believe in the Lord God.

Do you believe that the book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants Pearl of Great Price is God inspired Scripture?

Curious Mary

 

[Wrangler]

Mormons do not operate under the same rules as Christianity.

I don't think this is true one little bit. They have different mythologies of other Christians but not different rules for salvation.

 

[Wrangler]

You do not believe that the office of the Pope is specifically spelled out in Scripture therefore The Church has added to Scripture just like the Mormons did? Is that a good summary of what you are saying?

Yea, Belief v fact. Exegesis v Eisegesis.

The Bible explicitly says Jesus is the son of God. It does not explicitly say there is an office of the Pope who acts as Christ in being a mediator between us and God, authorized to displace the very role of Christ and his authority. I'm sure you get that gist.

 

[Taken]

I never made this comparison but being a fan of both rather than one or the other. (And a fan is more than a spectato and possibly more than even a player. The root word for fan is fanatic.)

Yes…you are correct…regarding the “spectator” / “fan” concept….

Marymog did not seem to get the broad spectrum of “rules”., in your analogy… of two different sports….between being a contestant and fan.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Marymog]

There is no doctrine purity test to be a Christian. Thank God.

God's requirements for salvation are divinely simple. Man has to complicate the hell out of it. God's way of salvation is based on faith. Man's way of Original Sin, still very much at play, is based on the IDOL of knowledge.

No, not true Wrangler. There is a doctrine purity test to be Christian. None the less, you can stick with your opinion. I will stick with Scripture:

Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine. Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

 

[Marymog]

Personally, I am not a member of any man-made religious church organization….to delve into the long list of member obligations of each man made religious church organization.

I am aware of some man-made church religious organizations …. Extra Biblical “rules”…and disagree with such “teachings”…

Hmmmmm......You make me wonder. How do people like you with theories like yours fulfill Matthew 18:17?

 

[Marymog]

Yea, Belief v fact. Exegesis v Eisegesis.

The Bible explicitly says Jesus is the son of God. It does not explicitly say there is an office of the Pope who acts as Christ in being a mediator between us and God, authorized to displace the very role of Christ and his authority. I'm sure you get that gist.

I do get the gist of your false premise.

You do love your Diversions. This thread is about whether LDS are Christian.

 

[Wrangler]

Your 'evidence' that they are 'obviously' Christian is because they are the 4th largest CHRISTIAN denomination in America?

You missed the critical word. I added it for you because I know you would not want to be thought of as intellectually dishonest.

 

[Marymog]

No. Their organization was established on the root topic of the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Not completely true. Their organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. The root of Mormonism is John Smith. The root of Christianity is Christ and the Apostles.

 

[Taken]

Ok taken....help me out here.

You do not believe that LDS are non-Member spectators of Christianity! You believe that they are Christian because they follow God inspired Scripture (the Bible) and at their roots the believe in the Lord God.

Correct.

Do you believe that the book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants Pearl of Great Price is God inspired Scripture?

Curious Mary

I am aware but do not study the Book of Mormon…
Same as I am aware but do not study your Book of Catechism…

I would suppose some Mormon members (same as some Catholic members)…personally decide how much weight they choose to give to their own denominations “books”.

I find it interesting, you being a member of a religious organization, who has it’s own “side” Book, being critical of an other religious that does “similar”….yet negatively defensive when your own “side” book (or letters) writings are challenged.

@Jane Doe is a member of a religious organization of her choosing and responded in kind while being attacked..for things apparently “contained with-in” the Book of Mormon…
Jane is an individual, making her own “choices of what SHE adheres to or rejects”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

I do get the gist of your false premise.

You do love your Diversions. This thread is about whether LDS are Christian.

You are the one persuing a diversion. You claimed that LDS having mythologies and rituals only to them disqualify them as Christians. I showed by comparison you invoke a false standard as other Christian denominations do the same thing. Probably all of them in some form or fashion.

 

[Taken]

Not completely true. Their organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. The root of Mormonism is John Smith. The root of Christianity is Christ and the Apostles.

I don’t find you qualified to pretend yourself an authority on Mormonism.

 

[Marymog]

You missed the critical word. I added it for you because I know you would not want to be thought of as intellectually dishonest.

Lol......Nope, didn't miss the critical word Wrangler. I saw it.

In the list you provided it shows that they are the 4rth largest Christian denomination in the US. THAT is your evidence that they are Christian. And I have already addressed this and we have already debated this. If a "Christian" denomination supports abortion and gay marriage, are they "Christian" just because they say they are. Remember that debate?

You are wearing me out wrangler....just wearing me out. And you want to try and belittle me on top of it?

 

[Marymog]

I don’t find you qualified to pretend yourself an authority on Mormonism.

Lol...Hold on...HOLD ON Taken

Are YOU an authority on Mormonism? I have to google them just like you AND I quote from their website.

Sooooo are you going to address what I said? Or are you going keep trying to belittle me?

Their organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. The root of Mormonism is John Smith. The root of Christianity is Christ and the Apostles.

Curious Mary

 

[Taken]

Hmmmmm......You make me wonder. How do people like you with theories like yours fulfill Matthew 18:17?

Matt 18:17
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

No problem for me what you “wonder” about.

It matters NOT, who is speaking, telling another…It is the “others” obligation to TEST EVERYTHING they hear that it be TRUE or NOT.

1 Thes 5:
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

You imply the clerics of a man-made church have the final say….PERIOD…

I say, even the clerics of a man-made church are subject to … TESTING.

 

[Taken]

Lol......Nope, didn't miss the critical word Wrangler. I saw it.

In the list you provided it shows that they are the 4rth largest Christian denomination in the US. THAT is your evidence that they are Christian. And I have already addressed this and we have already debated this. If a "Christian" denomination supports abortion and gay marriage, are they "Christian" just because they say they are. Remember that debate?

You are wearing me out wrangler....just wearing me out. And you want to try and belittle me on top of it?

Anyone can call themselves or an other…
A “CHRISTIAN”….

And anyone can DECIDE if and what…they test, discover is true, or not….and agree or disagree….Regardless of WHO proclaims it is true.

Your own head cleric proclaims things…some Catholics do and others do not Agree with.

So what? It is “individuals” who shall be judged…not “organizations”.

 

[Marymog]

You are the one persuing a diversion. You claimed that LDS having mythologies and rituals only to them disqualify them as Christians. I showed by comparison you invoke a false standard as other Christian denominations do the same thing. Probably all of them in some form or fashion.

Quote where I said that LDS have mythologies and rituals!! (Hint, you won't find it) We have been thru this before. You make a false accusation and then don't apologize and I suspect you won't this time.

I don't recall you showing me what other Christian denominations have done the same thing and have added new God inspired Scripture to their teachings. Which post was that in? Oh wait....you haven't listed any denomination that has done that. That's why I can't find it.

Patient Mary

 

[Taken]

Lol...Hold on...HOLD ON Taken

Are YOU an authority on Mormonism? I have to google them just like you AND I quote from their website.

Sooooo are you going to address what I said? Or are you going keep trying to belittle me?

Their organization was established on the root topic of alleged visions and thru these alleged visions he came up with new Scripture. The root of Mormonism is John Smith. The root of Christianity is Christ and the Apostles.

Curious Mary

I neither said nor implied to be an authority on Mormonism or their Book of Mormon…

I shared the Mormon Church’s STATEMENT of Belief… and Trust “their” statement of Belief … IS the Core Belief of their denomination…

so what?