Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Robert Gwin]

YOU Robert sadly strain at gnats to swallow camels. Jesus most certainly was referring to raising His body from the grave, when He spoke ot the Pharisees, the bible makes it clear so that anyone who can read can understand!

If you do not see that then I fear that what jesus said below may be true of you fully:

Matthew 6:22-34
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

For you to not clearly see Jesus was telling the Pharisees that He would raise His body from the grave concerns me much! It is a telling sign that the light in you is a great, great darkness.

God resurrected Jesus Ron as the Bible says at Acts 2:32

 

[Robert Gwin]

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The rank and file have been adequately warned that the Governing Body's
teachings should not be assumed guaranteed free of errors.

Paragraph 12, under the heading; "Who is leading God's People today?" of
the Feb 2017 Watchtower--Study Edition; says:

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in
doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watchtower
Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists
adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did
not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food."
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I fully agree Weber, they are not prophets, and what we say may or may not be truth. Of course you realize that no faith has absolute truth correct? If you think that is incorrect, and you know of a faith that does, please let me know so I can worship God with them sir.

 

[Webers_Home]

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• 1Thess 4:16-17 . .The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a
commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet,

I'm going to revise a portion of that passage slightly in order to bring out a
point.

"with the archangel's voice"

No, it doesn't say the archangel's voice, rather, it says "an" archangel's
voice-- viz: a nondescript arch angel --so I think It would be a mistake to
assume that passage is referring to a specific arch angel where none
is named because according to Dan 10:13, there's more than one, viz:
identifying the arch angel in 1Thess 4:16-17 as the Michael spoken of in
Jude 1:9 would be just as arbitrary as saying the archangel's voice is that
of the Gabriel spoken of in Luke 1:19.

* Actually Gabriel is the better choice because he was the angel tasked
with announcing baby Jesus' conception, the child's ascension to David's
throne, and its position in God's genealogy.
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[Wrangler]

Seems clear enough to moi..

And then you do not even copy and paste v15 but paste v14 again?

What verse is it that God said this? Ex 3:14. Did you ever take a gander at the next verse?

Sad.

 

[marks]

And once again you make yourself a liar! for I never said this. I said one does not need to obey 100% of Jesus commands in order to be saved. Obedience is a result of being saved, not in order to get saved, stay saved etc.

I will accept your apology.

I'm seeing this all over this thread. It's a pity people can't make their case without twisting someone's words! But then that's how it works, it's what they do.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Many who think they are saved will hear these words from Jesus as judgement-Matt 7:22-23-- i would say they think like you.

YOu arew free to say anything you wish, it doesn't make it true! I know Him whom I serve.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I trust in Jesus-John 17:26--He promised to keep on making his Fathers name known. No guessing involved.

And the Father has given Jesus' the name above all names!

And you forget that the Jews already knew the name of God. They were the covenanted people of God and to them were given the SCriptures and to them was given the name of God!

But Jehovah is merely a guess.

 

[farouk]

YOu arew free to say anything you wish, it doesn't make it true! I know Him whom I serve.

@Ronald Nolette FYI:

'But “I know Whom I have believed,
And am persuaded that He is able
To keep that which I’ve committed
Unto Him against that day.” '

(Daniel W. Whittle)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm seeing this all over this thread. It's a pity people can't make their case without twisting someone's words! But then that's how it works, it's what they do.

Much love!

Yes. All of us need to be diligent to be careful readers. I have screwed up too many times to wish to have happened.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No problem Ron, you either obey or you don't, but don't think for one minute that Paul contradicted James. Me personally I choose to do the will of Jehovah. May I ask why you are posting here sir, is that not the very work that we Christians are assigned to do? Strange!

If only you did do the will of YHVH . I would prefer you leave those vowels out unless you can prove those are the right vowels!

By7 rejecting the physical resurrection of Jesus- as Paul wrote, your faith is in vain and you are yet in your sin!

1 Corinthians 15:16-18
King James Version

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.


And let me repost JOhn 2 for you denier of the resurrection.

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


Let me emphasize what Jesus was speaking about. Maybe ytou will get it this time:

BUT HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You will find out how real he is sir, of that I am pretty sure. That is his best deception, making people think he doesn't exist. You will find in our discussions Ron, that I believe the Bible, if it says satan is a real god, I believe it. Heck, Jesus even said that the lake of fire was prepared for satan and those who belong to him. I guess your watchtower failed again.

Once again you have made yourself a liar by twisitng my words! I never said Satan is not real! I said he is not a real god, a false god. But He is very real. when will you pay attention to my words and speak truth?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God resurrected Jesus Ron as the Bible says at Acts 2:32

And the Holy Spirit raised Jesus as it is written in Romans 8.

And Jesus raised His own body from teh grave as He declared in JOhn 2!

But if you wish to do the will of God (meaning proper works)

This is it:

John 6:28-36
King James Version

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.


Obedience flows from believing in Hiim and His physical resurrection. to deny thephysical resurrection is to make all your deeds meaningless.

 

[Keiw]

You are not only wrong that error is broad. Short story or long story? Short....the name of any person, place, or thing in the Bible cannot start with a J. No J's in the Bible. The J came out about 1400 AD but did not get popular until Shakespeare's time in the 1600's. Just in time for the KJV mistranslations and the language set like a poem from Shakespeare. They changed the Y's to J's a sweeping and massive corruption of the scriptures Old and New Testament. Yeshua, Yahweh, Yob, Yacob, Yoseph, Yames, Yoshua, Yohn etc. They had already removed Yahweh's name from the Old Testament around 6,000 times and inserted the words God or Lord. Christ's name was never in the New Testament, the Apostles used a Greek word that meant honorable man. Christ name is Yeshua or Yahshua, kind of like Ed and Edward. So in the end odds are that God the Father's name nor God the Son's name are in your Bible...unless you write them in there.

There is no J in Hebrew language. I dont speak the Hebrew language. The bible isnt given to us in the Hebrew language. If you were correct-Then, Jesus, Job, Jeremiah , Joshua would all be error, but they arent, they are in the language we speak.

 

[Keiw]

I don't care about vowels. The point is God, YHWH, is not Yeshua.

Translating all this into English; the point is God, Jehovah, is not Jesus.

That is truth sir. Trinitarians are being mislead into believing Jesus is Jehovah. Its one of the reasons why they have become a house divided, they will not stand.

 

[farouk]

And the Holy Spirit raised Jesus as it is written in Romans 8.

And Jesus raised His own body from teh grave as He declared in JOhn 2!

But if you wish to do the will of God (meaning proper works)

This is it:

John 6:28-36
King James Version

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.


Obedience flows from believing in Hiim and His physical resurrection. to deny thephysical resurrection is to make all your deeds meaningless.

@Ronald Nolette I noted long ago that maybe John 6 should be read more often. There are plain statements in John 6 which some ppl have long seemed to struggle with but which are clear and straightforward.

 

[Keiw]

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The Watchtower Society's Jesus is dead and his remains hidden away
somewhere on Earth. (Watchtower magazine, April 15, 1963, p. 237)

This is a very good example of Watchtower double-speak. When they say
Jesus, they're actually talking about an angel whose real name is Michael:
a celestial being mentioned but twice in the entire New Testament.
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There is no doubt, Michael is the one God sent to earth, he sent his best. You see Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who is standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days. And when Jesus returns( 1 Thess 4:16) he comes with the voice of the archangel----it is his voice.
Rev 6 is another proof-The ride of the white horse there is the war in heaven--But notice, he receives his crown, Michael rode the white horse in that war, but only Jesus is getting the crown. That began the ride of the white horse, it does not end until this occurs-1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself) = forever. Jesus is listed on the white horse at Armageddon. its the same ride.

 

[Keiw]

What verse is it that God said this? Ex 3:14. Did you ever take a gander at the next verse?

Gods name is listed at verse 15--The tertragramoton is there in Hebrew=YHWH(Jehovah)

 

[Keiw]

YOu arew free to say anything you wish, it doesn't make it true! I know Him whom I serve.

Who is that?

 

[Keiw]

And the Father has given Jesus' the name above all names!

And you forget that the Jews already knew the name of God. They were the covenanted people of God and to them were given the SCriptures and to them was given the name of God!

But Jehovah is merely a guess.

Reasoning reality clearly shows. If one is given a name above others, the giver is superior. And at Heb 1:3-4 it is clear--If he wasnt given the name above others he is equal to the angels. That name is never above Gods name. God is superior. See in verse 3, Jesus sat down at the right hand of the majesty= God, his God and Father.

 

[Wrangler]

Gods name is listed at verse 15--The tertragramoton is there in Hebrew=YHWH(Jehovah)

I know. Rather than take a gander at v15, he re-quoted v14, saying it was clear enough for him. Talk about Willful Ignorance!