Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Robert Gwin]

But if they are not worshipping Saturn it matters not! YOur false religion has pictures of Jesus in their books. That is just a modern day form of idols!

God hates anyone worshipping false gods. but if someone is worshipping Saturn with a Christmas tree on 12/25 they are guilty of idolatry!

I have read the watchtower loathing of birthdays. It belongs in the trash.

so according to teh twisted logic of the watchtower, if evil people do evil things with something- it is wrong! Why are you driving a car?

Why do you fly in planes?

Just because evil is done a birthday does not make birthdays evil- for the very Scriptures I quoted you. People are free to celebrate or not celebrate birthdays. As Paul write whatever you do, do to the glory of God!

YOu are so hung up on teh superficial that you forget that God doesn't look on teh outside but on the inside! That you learned from men, not God!

I gave you the information, you are free to choose as you like, me, I choose not to celebrate birthdays. If Jesus would have wanted his birth celebrated it would be recorded for us in the Bible, since it is not, it is not necessary for salvation. I abstain sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Now you are simply straining at gnats to swallow camels!

Jesus is Yahweh of Hosts both in Isaiah and James. UNless there are two redeemers! C'mon man pharisaic shallowness is unbecoming on you.

In the words of the Duke, not hardly. You say he is, I say he is not, there you have it Ron

 

[Robert Gwin]

The image that God created man in was of a man and a woman, that is, a man, and a women taken out of the man, whom were to become one again. That too was and is the image of the what and why of God's creation, wherein, as it is written: “Enlarge the place of your tent, And let them stretch out the curtains of your dwellings; Do not spare; Lengthen your cords, And strengthen your stakes." Isaiah 54:2

I fail to see how that applies Scott. But you made a great point about man and woman being one. A compliment to one another.

 

[Robert Gwin]

If they're christians I'm the Last of the Mohicans..:)
They're just a vanity cult, they like to think God has revealed "hidden secrets" to them alone, and not to the rest of us poor dumb shmucks..:)

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Isn't it interesting how taking the traditions of pagan celebrations and dedicating them to Jehovah, even to the point of calling the celebration after the name of the god it was given to, seems to be believed that Jehovah would accept that? Would you Drop?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Nothing like the outdated Copy Cat Thesis. Robert you are a very funny guy who lacks simple logic.

Mitrha vs Jesus
Classic Works of Apologetics - Copycat Myth-takes
Pagan copycat thesis refuted - creation.com
Shattering the Christ Myth - James Patrick Holding · 2008
The Babylon Connection? By Ralph Woodrow

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Thanks Learner, I try sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

In early reconstructed Hebrew NT Yahweh is clearly applied to Jesus.

Jehovah is Jehovah sir, not His son.

 

[Robert Gwin]

@Robert Gwin

Is this above ^^^ true?

Much love!

Not all sir, some of it is, but some not. Do you have a specific question about our beliefs on that Marks, if so please ask.

 

[Robert Gwin]

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@Ronald Nolette

@DavidB

Again, is this true, Robert?

If this is true, then no. John in his letter makes it clear Jesus came in flesh, perfect tense, He remained that way.

1 John 4:1-3 KJV
1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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"Spiritual" resurrection, no, Jesus rose bodily from among the dead, and according to John, one's belief in this regard shows whether they are Christian or antichrist.

I'm not saying this . . . John did.

Much love!

Hi Marks, Yes it is true, Jesus was resurrected a spirit, he was a spirit previously, only spirit beings live in heaven where he returned. He sacrificed his flesh and blood in our behalf. As all spirit beings who interact with humans Jesus did take on physical bodies, but of course not the one he gave in sacrifice, hence why no one recognized him by appearance. We do not teach Jesus took back the sacrifice given in our behalf.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Very poor copycat logic.

Nonetheless, truth is truth sir. We live in the age of information, not hard to find out if what I stated is true or false.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Revelation 1:8
The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega [C the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet; 21:6; 22:13]. I am the One who is and [the One who] was and [the One who] is coming [see 1:4]. I am the ·Almighty [All-powerful].”

Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell down at his feet like a dead man. He put his right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Revelation 2:8
To the Church in Smyrna
“Write this to the ·angel [or messenger; see 1:20] of the church in Smyrna [C a major city in western Asia Minor, identified with present-day Izmir, Turkey]: “The One who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again [C the resurrected Jesus; 1:17–18], says ·this [L these things]:

Revelation 21:6
The One on the throne said to me, “It is ·finished [done; accomplished]. I am the Alpha and the Omega [C the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet; 1:8], the Beginning and the End. I will give ·free water [L freely] from the spring of the water of life to anyone who is thirsty [Is. 55:1; John 7:37].

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End [1:8; 21:6].

Amen! Absolute truth sir.

 

[Wrangler]

Christmas celebrates Jesus's birth but JW's don't do that, and Easter marks his death with respect, but JW's don't do that either, because they claim those dates have pagan roots.

Not really relevant to the question is it? Just because the Amish, Menonites and JW, etc have different customers does not mean they are not Christians, does it?

 

[Ezra]

Not really relevant to the question is it? Just because the Amish, Menonites and JW, etc have different customers does not mean they are not Christians, does it?

no it doesnt but it matters as per what they believe. the j.w are a work based doctrine

 

[Wrangler]

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The spirit part of human existence goes by the name of breath of life in
Genesis 2:7. But the breath of life didn't make Adam a sentient spirit being,
rather, it made him a sentient material being.

The same is true of all creatures within whom is the breath of life: none are
sentient spirit beings; they are all sentient material beings. (Gen 7:15-16)
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False dichotomy. You obviously are contriving a rational for why Jesus is not a man, when the Bible repeatedly and specifically states he is a man. A is A. If he is a man, then he is a man - just like all other men OR he is not a man, not withstanding your attempts to make him man+.

If what you are saying is true, there really was no purpose to his baptism. Scripture records the event, the moment the man received the Spirit of God.

 

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The holy spirit guided the NWT.

Non-anointed JWs are living proof that the Watchtower Society's translation
is unreliable. Here's why.

According to 1Cor 2:12-15, folks who've received the spirit which comes
from God are enabled to comprehend, and to accept, the things of God.
Well: it's believed by JWs that only 144,000 anointed Witnesses have
received the spirit of God; which means that all other JWs are physical
people rather than spiritual people.

So then, were the NWT really and truly spirit-guided, then the non-anointed
JWs would quite naturally reject it. The very fact that physical JWs accept
the NWT is proof positive that it wasn't spirit-guided, plus: the scholars that
translated the NWT didn't have the spirit either because if they did, then the
non anointed JWs wouldn't be trusting them.

According to 1John 2:26-27, the anointing protects people from seductive
reasoning; whereas folks lacking the anointing are wide-open to deception;
and that's true of not only JWs, it applies to everybody lacking the anointing
regardless of their religious preferences.
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The Watchtower Society teaches that something they call "life force" is
transferable.

For example: in order for their angel Michael to take on a human form, the
life force of his angel form was extracted and transferred to the conception
that took place in Mary's body. Of course Michaels's angel form passed away
in the process because it had no more life force to keep it alive.

When Michael's human form passed away on the cross, his life force
survived and was returned to his angel's corpse, causing it to spring back to
life. Ergo: Michael's human form never recovered, and its remains are
squirreled somewhere on Earth in a condition and a location known only to
God.

* Michael's life force is interesting.

"the transferal of the life of his firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth.
Only in this way could the child eventually born have retained identity as the
same person who had resided in heaven as the Word." (Aid to Bible Understanding,
1971, p.920)

"He had to become a perfect man and yet not lose his continuity of life. His
life-force was not to be extinguished but would be transferred to the ovum
of the virgin girl, Mary." (Watchtower magazine, 2/15/82, p.7)

So then, as I understand it: Mary's baby wasn't entirely human because its
life force was that of an angel rather than the life force of a man.

NOTE: Here's an interesting posit. Supposing not only angel life force, but
also human life force is transferrable. That would make it possible for people
to survive termination in the lake of fire by transferring their life force into
the form of a fallen angel so they could join the Devil per Matt 25:41.
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[Wrangler]

no it doesnt but it matters as per what they believe. the j.w are a work based doctrine

It matters to the question of whether or not they are Christian?

 

[marks]

Hi Marks, Yes it is true, Jesus was resurrected a spirit, he was a spirit previously, only spirit beings live in heaven where he returned. He sacrificed his flesh and blood in our behalf. As all spirit beings who interact with humans Jesus did take on physical bodies, but of course not the one he gave in sacrifice, hence why no one recognized him by appearance. We do not teach Jesus took back the sacrifice given in our behalf.

Then Biblically speaking, no, the "Jehovah's Witness" religion is not Christianity.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Hi Marks, Yes it is true, Jesus was resurrected a spirit, he was a spirit previously, only spirit beings live in heaven where he returned. He sacrificed his flesh and blood in our behalf. As all spirit beings who interact with humans Jesus did take on physical bodies, but of course not the one he gave in sacrifice, hence why no one recognized him by appearance. We do not teach Jesus took back the sacrifice given in our behalf.

And what about Michael? How does Michael fit into this?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Hebrews 10:5-10 KJV
5) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Much love!

 

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The spirit part of human existence goes by the name of breath of life in
Genesis 2:7. But the breath of life didn't make Adam a sentient spirit being,
rather, it made him a sentient material being.

The same is true of all creatures within whom is the breath of life: none are
sentient spirit beings; they are all sentient material beings. (Gen 7:15-16)
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Paul makes a distinction between the soul, spirit, and body in one verse.

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

This is actually good news because we are made in God’s image.

So if God has three parts or aspects to Him (like how God is three persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and yet he is one being, then we also have three parts to ourselves, as well (with us being one being). We have a soul, spirit, and body; And yet we are one.

So there is that three and one aspect that we can see.
The glorious Godhead (Trinity) in the things God created.