Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[The Learner]

 

[Wrangler]

Well they think christmas, easter and birthdays have "pagan roots"..:)

They are certainly correct about Christmas and Easter. But do you think this makes them non-Christians?

 

[The Learner]

The Bible point blank stated Jehovah at Isa 44:6:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. You even said that yourself. I assumed you used that verse because it also had a shared title between Jehovah and Jesus. It was referring to God as it said in the verse, God only, no one else Ron.

Jesus is not called Yahweh in James either.

Jesus was not called Jesus until he came to earth, although the Bible still refers to him as Jesus in the heavens, he went back to being called by his own name most likely. I gave you evidence of him being Michael, you disagree, simple as that. I believe he is the highest angel, second only to Jehovah sir.

Revelation 1:8
The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega [C the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet; 21:6; 22:13]. I am the One who is and [the One who] was and [the One who] is coming [see 1:4]. I am the ·Almighty [All-powerful].”

Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell down at his feet like a dead man. He put his right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Revelation 2:8
To the Church in Smyrna
“Write this to the ·angel [or messenger; see 1:20] of the church in Smyrna [C a major city in western Asia Minor, identified with present-day Izmir, Turkey]: “The One who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again [C the resurrected Jesus; 1:17–18], says ·this [L these things]:

Revelation 21:6
The One on the throne said to me, “It is ·finished [done; accomplished]. I am the Alpha and the Omega [C the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet; 1:8], the Beginning and the End. I will give ·free water [L freely] from the spring of the water of life to anyone who is thirsty [Is. 55:1; John 7:37].

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End [1:8; 21:6].

 

[The Learner]

not keeping up

 

[The Learner]

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him ... - Bible Hub
https://biblehub.com › colossians

All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

(Heb 1:1-4)
https://www.raystedman.org › daily-devotions › he-hol...

Lord Jesus, thank you that you are the One who holds all things together. Teach me to trust in you, even when things seem to be falling apart

Something before all things is not a thing

 

[Wrangler]

he Bible point blank stated Jehovah at Isa 44:6:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.

Revelation 1:8 ...

Wait a minute Learner!

@Robert Gwin brought up a verse. You have no comment on his verse? All you can do is invoke the strategy of pushing aside his verse off the table and put your own on the table - with no comment - AS IF copying and pasting Scripture makes your argument?

It should not be lot on you that Isaiah - speaking for God as all prophets, including Jesus do - said 'am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.' Yet no one claims Isaiah is God or is claiming to be God by uttering these words. Yet, when Jesus says it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm learning many things on this thread. Like this. I had know idea the NWT was based on Westcott and Hort. Wow!

Much love!

Yeah, it is just not consistent. They used to believe in the King James Bible that follows the Textus Receptus and then they just completely change to an entirely different set of manuscripts. I believe they did this because the Westcott and Hort text favors the Arian view vs. the Textus Receptus. So they had a Bible for about a hundred years that did not reflect their true extra biblical beliefs. Of course they probably think that everyone is lying except them (even though their organization lied to others multiple times in putting forth false prophecies several times).

 

[Keiw]

Buddy, we all do. Soul = body + Spirit (from God, returning to God)

The peculiar thing is how often trinitarians assert things Jesus does make him God but are silent on how other people do the very same thing undermine the claim.

Yes one God=YHWH(Jehovah) and this teaching in the OT proves Jesus is not YHWH---The altered versions by satans will have-The LORD said to my LORD--God inspired it to say--YHWH said to my Lord( Jesus)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The teachings of the Watchtower clearly falls in the catagory of "false teachers". The early church defined the "rule of faith" which includes the deity of Christ. JW's follows the false teachings of Arius.

Not to mention they have changed doctrines more times than a hat.

 

[Keiw]

I'm learning many things on this thread. Like this. I had know idea the NWT was based on Westcott and Hort. Wow!

Much love!

The holy spirit guided the NWT.

 

[tigger 2]

Yeah, it is just not consistent. They used to believe in the King James Bible that follows the Textus Receptus and then they just completely change to an entirely different set of manuscripts. I believe they did this because the Westcott and Hort text favors the Arian view vs. the Textus Receptus. So they had a Bible for about a hundred years that did not reflect their true extra biblical beliefs. Of course they probably think that everyone is lying except them (even though their organization lied to others multiple times in putting forth false prophecies several times).

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Are the Modern Versions Based on Westcott-Hort? (wayoflife.org)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This is a worldly meme of an evil villain. The Bible says, “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:22). Why would you want to appear as an evil villain?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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Are the Modern Versions Based on Westcott-Hort? (wayoflife.org)

Not sure how this article helps you. The New World Translation is from the Westcott and Hort according to Wikipedia and not the Nestle and Aland (Which used the Westcott and Hort as one of it’s primary textual bases).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The holy spirit guided the NWT.

One of the translators actually lied in court about how he knew Hebrew. The translators were not even qualified for the task, either.

 

[Dropship]

They are certainly correct about Christmas and Easter. But do you think this makes them non-Christians?

Christmas celebrates Jesus's birth but JW's don't do that, and Easter marks his death with respect, but JW's don't do that either, because they claim those dates have pagan roots. They also claim many Christian churches were built on ancient pagan sites.
So what? Paganism is dead as a dodo because Christianity has over-ridden it and stamped it out, but it seems JW's are still scared of it..;)

PS- Mind you, pagans have some interesting customs like here in the Wicker Man where Christopher Lee presents a young boy to the landlord's daughter so she can instruct him in the art of love.
No doubt some christians found the scene offensive but personally i think he's a lucky little son of a gun..:)

 

[Keiw]

One of the translators actually lied in court about how he knew Hebrew. The translators were not even qualified for the task, either.

All translations on earth, that have Gods name removed in nearly 7000 places were altered by satans will to mislead. Fact-God inspired his name in those nearly 7000 places because he wants it there. Thus all using them are being mislead to support satans will over Gods will. Then those in that darkness condemned the only translators on earth who had love and respect for God and his will and put his name back. That is the reality of it. One doesnt need to know languages when they have God leading them.
The pharisees said the same about Jesus and the apostles--They cant possibly be spiritual teachers, they did not attend our schools of men. Jesus promised holy spirit to lead into all truth for those he is with. And Jesus lives to do Gods will, thus those he is with uses translation with Gods name put back. Because its Gods will.

 

[Keiw]

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him ... - Bible Hub
https://biblehub.com › colossians

All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

(Heb 1:1-4)
https://www.raystedman.org › daily-devotions › he-hol...

Lord Jesus, thank you that you are the One who holds all things together. Teach me to trust in you, even when things seem to be falling apart

Something before all things is not a thing

Fact--Jesus teaches--all authority in heaven and on earth was GIVEN to him-Thus that means one superior to him gave that authority to him. If he were God he would already of had the authority--Your translations are filled with errors, those errors contradict Jesus to the core. And mislead all using them to not enter Gods kingdom because they cant accomplish this-John 4:22-24

 

[Bible Highlighter]

All translations on earth, that have Gods name removed in nearly 7000 places were altered by satans will to mislead. Fact-God inspired his name in those nearly 7000 places because he wants it there. Thus all using them are being mislead to support satans will over Gods will. Then those in that darkness condemned the only translators on earth who had love and respect for God and his will and put his name back. That is the reality of it. One doesnt need to know languages when they have God leading them.
The pharisees said the same about Jesus and the apostles--They cant possibly be spiritual teachers, they did not attend our schools of men. Jesus promised holy spirit to lead into all truth for those he is with. And Jesus lives to do Gods will, thus those he is with uses translation with Gods name put back. Because its Gods will.

But if they lie, that does not bode well that God was leading them. That actually disqualifies them. JW’s also swapped their manuscripts between the Textus Receptus to the Westcott and Hort text (Which just so happens to favor the Arian viewpoint better). Surely this was no coincidence. So for a hundred years you had a Trinitarian Bible and a Bible that defends the deity of Jesus Christ. All your perverted Modern bibles attack the deity of Jesus Christ and the Godhead. This is just basic facts of Bible history. The Catholics tried to kill King James and his translation with a super bomb. William Tyndale who was pivotal to the earlier English translations leading up to the KJB was killed by the Catholic Church. This was clearly an opposition to God’s Word. What opposition did the New World Translation face by comparison? The King James had 47 men to translate that were extremely competent in the original languages.

Also, if your translation was inspired then why does it have mistakes in it?
It says nails (plural) in his hands in John 20:25 and yet a picture on JW.org shows Jesus with a single NAIL in his hands.

 

[Enoch111]

Also, if your translation was inspired then why does it have mistakes in it?

Those are "inspired mistakes". The Watchtower has been "inspired" to promote false doctrines for quite some time.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Continued From No.580

Soul = body + Spirit

The spirit part of human existence goes by the name of breath of life in
Genesis 2:7. But the breath of life didn't make Adam a sentient spirit being,
rather, it made him a sentient material being.

The same is true of all creatures within whom is the breath of life: none are
sentient spirit beings; they are all sentient material beings. (Gen 7:15-16)
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