Apparitions of the Virgin Mary

[Marymog]

What is wrong with you?.....

There is nothing wrong with calling people out!

 

[Taken]

Wow.....now I'm ignorant. Such a large vocabulary you have.

Is what you said a theory or Truth?

Well, you made up something and said it was my theory... and I said no such thing.

If you want to ask me about something I said, quote me, and ask.

 

[Taken]

There is nothing wrong with calling people out!

Ditto- tit for tat.

 

[Taken]

Hmmmm......so I was condescending?

How about a re-set?

Please do tell me your thoughts on the ministry of reconciliation?

In Brief-
God sent Jesus to reconcile the world unto God Through the Word of God.

Men who have become Converted IN Christ and Prepared, can further tell others interested in hearing, How they also can become Converted IN Christ And reconciled unto God.

Taken

 

[Marymog]

Well, you made up something and said it was my theory... and I said no such thing.

If you want to ask me about something I said, quote me, and ask.

Dodging once again.....

 

[Marymog]

In Brief-
God sent Jesus to reconcile the world unto God Through the Word of God.

Men who have become Converted IN Christ and Prepared, can further tell others interested in hearing, How they also can become Converted IN Christ And reconciled unto God.

Taken

So the ministry of reconciliation is men telling other men how they can become converted IN Christ and reconciled to God? That sounds like what the average Christian should be doing....preaching the word of salvation. There is no separate ministry to administer reconciliation? Even though Christianity has been practicing the ministry of reconciliation for 2,000 years....you seem to be suggesting it is a false practice.

Your theory is certainly new to me. From whom did you learn it?

Mary

 

[kcnalp]

An unqualified denial of the examples I gave repeatedly.

You didn't even give one!

 

[kcnalp]

I am not the one who restricts the meaning of "pray to", that can be found in any dictionary. It's not hell fire for the rich man, and it's not hell fire in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. It's the same fire. What's left afterwards is pure gold. Logically, it's not a permanent state. Hell is a permanent state. Judaism, the roots of Christianity, never shared your illogical viewpoints.

Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8 – here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.

Baruch 3:4 – Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are unnecessary in heaven and unnecessary in hell. These dead are in purgatory.

Zech. 9:11 – God, through the blood of His covenant, will set those free from the waterless pit, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory.

2 Macc. 12:43-45 – the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help them to the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and those in hell can no longer be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the age-old teaching of purgatory. As a result, he removed Maccabees from the canon of the Bible.
Purgatory - Scripture Catholic

Sure you have the right to pray to sinful men / women if you like. I will stick to praying to God.

 

[marks]

Hi marks,

Soooooo as soon as I sin it is automatically removed by justification???? Which means no one really has the stain of sin on their soul EVER which means everyone goes to heaven???

That's not what I said. I said that all sin is justified in Christ's death, simply stated.

Much love!

 

[Philip James]

all sin is justified in Christ's death,

Hello marks,

Can you clarify this statement for me?

I can't imagine any sin let alone all sin to be justifiable..

Peace!

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Hi,

I get the gist of what you are saying about not picking up a bible but you do realize that you did read from the bible every time you went to Mass? Not only the three readings but all the other homilies etc. throughout the mass is taken from the bible!! Historically, since the 1st century, church gatherings/services have been sacramental. The big change away from that came 1,500+ years after the start of Christianity.

Putting the ‘see to it that no one deceives you’ quote in context has nothing to do with Christians reading "His Word for ourselves too". Jesus was (in context) talking about false saviors claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and wars/rumors of wars in that passage you mentioned. Scripture does say that men will twist Scripture to their own destruction because it is difficult to understand. You are always welcome to come back to The Church.

Mary

First learned about the whole ‘context’ word over a decade ago, when I was studying Theology. Didn’t buy it then either, its a cop out...why was Jesus saying it? If deception was an issue then, how much more could it affect those in the church now? :) (would satan deceive people outside the church, when he already has them?)

 

[Marymog]

That's not what I said. I said that all sin is justified in Christ's death, simply stated.

Much love!

Hi marks,

I have to be honest with you. That makes no sense. ALL sin is justified in Christs death. What does that mean?

Scenario: If I willfully sin today and NEVER asked God or the person I harmed for forgiveness of that sin and 10 years from now I die never acknowledging that I committed that sin is that sin “justified in Christs death”?

Maybe I should clarify: what do YOU mean by “justified in Christs death”!!!!

 

[Marymog]

First learned about the whole ‘context’ word over a decade ago, when I was studying Theology. Didn’t buy it then either, its a cop out...why was Jesus saying it? If deception was an issue then, how much more could it affect those in the church now? :) (would satan deceive people outside the church, when he already has them?)

Context doesn’t matter?????

Well then, I guess Peter really is Satan (Matthew 16:23)

Why hasn’t God given me that new pink Mercedes I keep asking for? (Luke 11:19)

Thank you for your time!!!

 

[Grailhunter]

Am I missing something? Here in this debate we have people that base their religion on what is documented in the first 65 years of Christianity. Mary mission started around 400 ad, (give or take) So why are they expecting to find something about Mary’s mission in the scriptures?

The scriptures do not say anything about Protestantism either…does that mean that the protestants….all 30,000 denominations are not valid? I believe in Christianity, and the history of it all. So I believe that most of the Protestant religions are valid.

Do you notice that most of the Catholics are not saying the Protestant denominations are not valid. They are not using words like Satan and demons and false beliefs. Part of that has to do with having confidence in their religion. The Protestants on the other hand have a lot to prove…maybe to themselves.

Why does a religion that has spanned nearly 2000, the oldest Christian religion, standing alone as the largest Christian religion on earth, even if you add up all of the 30,000 Protestant religions, there are still less of them, considering that, why would a Catholic be concerned with what a Protestant thinks? 30,000 attempts to get a clue, still attempting, and the meter is still running on the number of new denominations. Some have given up and just call their churches non-denominational. (Of course some of those are my favorites)

Why would a Protestant that keeps referencing the first 65 years of Christianity, think they are qualified to condemn the rest of Christian history? Today it is fashionable to be a culture killer, deny history, condemn history. The Protestants were not there, they stood up 1500 years later with 30,000 renditions of Christianity (Not counting the church of ones that have their own personal religions) and insinuate that they got it right. How can this amount of confusion have the audacity to criticize the primary Church on earth, in history. Why would anyone take them seriously?

They keep referencing the Bible like they understand it. The one thing that is clear and true is that with 30,000 plus interpretations they do not have a leg to stand on as far as their claim that they understand the scriptures. And that is the basis of their religions, we have this book that we do not understand! The absurd notion that those with the least amount of experience know it all. Now you understand why teenagers think they know it all. Small bubbles are masters of the realm because they have so little to know or understand.

The Protestants have one saving grace, the Bible can lead them to salvation. It is a safety seat guaranteed. But there is a foundational character flaw with many of them, it comes from the evils of hate. They are called Protestants because they started out as protest churches. A lot of hate in the history of that. If they would just leave it alone they have a guaranteed thing going, but because their beliefs are built on the foundation of hate, it is hard to resist that character and hate is the consumer of intellect. The nature of hate and condemnation will come back to haunt them in the end.

The things they say about Mary…I would not want to be in their shoes.

 

[Candidus]

I'm curious how a man who Never Saw Mary, knows they are Seeing Mary...

Such a person would not know the difference between a demon and a "Mary" they knew nothing of.

 

[Candidus]

where in Scripture did anyone pray to mary ?

Are you referring to the Mary that Jesus referred to as "woman"?

 

[Candidus]

The things they say about Mary…I would not want to be in their shoes.

One thing is certain... I will not stand before Mary at the Judgement Seat!

 

[Candidus]

Hokey lol. A woman once told me she saw Jesus. I asked what did He look like? She said fair hair blue eyes. I was like what?? hokey!.. I only ever had two dreams about Jesus since believing in Him, and I never saw His face. got the feeling I wasn’t supposed to either...Never seen mary or angels.

Either this will convert you, or it will make you want some raspberry jam before you eat it!

Or, you can make your own!

 

[Grailhunter]

One thing is certain... I will not stand before Mary at the Judgement Seat!

No it will be Christ judging people on what they said about His mother.

 

[ChristisGod]

Are you referring to the Mary that Jesus referred to as "woman"?

Jesus mother