Apparitions of the Virgin Mary

[Marymog]

But what does it mean to you that we were reconciled by His death while we were His enemies?

I'll go first.

:)

To me, this means that even though we were God's enemies, and not doing anything towards getting right with God, He, through Jesus' death, reconciled us to Himself, that is, He removed everything that separated us from Him, everything He held against us, He removed all that, by putting it on Christ, and when Jesus died, all the sin went away. As a death was required, a death was given.

So then, even though we were still God's enemy, He was no longer our enemy.

It was a one-sided deal. God chose to do this for us, and we can either receive the reconciliation, or not. We can be reconciled to God, as He has already reconciled us to Himself.

But in that God reconciled us to Himself while we were His enemies, this shows that God reconciling us to Himself is not about our hostility or friendship, it's all about Jesus' death.

Would you agree with this?

Much love!

Thank you for going first. It helps me see what point you are trying to make.

Yes, in general I would agree with that. To the best of my memory the reconciliation we received thru the death of Jesus was the removal of original sin of which we had because of Adam (Romans 5:12).

But reconciliation comes in other ways also. Do you believe that there is only one reconciliation? A one time event; is that what you are saying?

Respectfully, Mary

 

[marks]

I honestly don't know how to answer it any better than I did.

Did you have any thoughts on my answer?

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

Ok.
Same question...

Where does any Scripture Say God would have Enoch's Body and Elijah's ' Body Go straight to Heaven?

Taken

I know that you know about these passages but I will entertain you so I can see where you are going with this: ;)

Enoch: Genesis 5:24 says that God “took” him, but doesn’t say where. Sirach 44:16 and 49:14 make it clear that he was taken up from the earth, and Hebrews 11:5 adds “so that he should not see death.”

Elijah: 2 Kings 2:11 states that “Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” First Maccabees 2:58 adds, “Elijah because of great zeal for the Law was taken up into heaven.”

Bible Study Mary

 

[Marymog]

How do you pray TO an intercessory without praying TO them to intercede on your behalf?

Taken

If I ask you to pray for me am I praying to you?

 

[Marymog]

Now I'm confused again!

:

Weren't we talking about asking Mary to pray for us?

Much love!

Yes, you are confused. Asking someone to pray for us is not praying to them to pray for us....

 

[Marymog]

Did you have any thoughts on my answer?

Much love!

I believe that thought is post #302....:)

 

[marks]

Thank you for going first. It helps me see what point you are trying to make.

Yes, in general I would agree with that. To the best of my memory the reconciliation we received thru the death of Jesus was the removal of original sin of which we had because of Adam (Romans 5:12).

But reconciliation comes in other ways also. Do you believe that there is only one reconciliation? A one time event; is that what you are saying?

Respectfully, Mary

To my understanding, reconciliation happens in two parts, one being that God has reconciled us to Him by removing the sin of the world, which includes all of my sin, by putting it on Jesus when Jesus died. The second part is when I receive that reconciliation, "now we urge you, be reconciled to God".

Yes, to me reconciliation happens as a one time occurance. I think this is shown in the words, while we were yet His enemies. Being reconciled while His enemies, I don't know why I need to be re-reconciled being His child.

Romans seems to me to show that idea,

10 "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."

In the next chapter, God teaches us that we die and resurrect in Christ, which provides our justification, both in decree and in fact, and God shows that our new life is living in Christ's resurrection.

So then, we were reconciled, now we live in Him, if reconcilition was in fact that - God restored our relationship - salvation is Christ's life adds to that.

Reconciliation to God is announced as something that was accomplished for everyone, but we have to receive that reconcilition.

Is this making sense?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes, you are confused. Asking someone to pray for us is not praying to them to pray for us....

Isn't the "asking them to pray" the same thing as praying to them? Aren't you describing praying to someone in heaven to request they pray for you? That's how I understand these words anyway.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

To my understanding, reconciliation happens in two parts, one being that God has reconciled us to Him by removing the sin of the world, which includes all of my sin, by putting it on Jesus when Jesus died. The second part is when I receive that reconciliation, "now we urge you, be reconciled to God".

Yes, to me reconciliation happens as a one time occurance. I think this is shown in the words, while we were yet His enemies. Being reconciled while His enemies, I don't know why I need to be re-reconciled being His child.

Romans seems to me to show that idea,

10 "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."

In the next chapter, God teaches us that we die and resurrect in Christ, which provides our justification, both in decree and in fact, and God shows that our new life is living in Christ's resurrection.

So then, we were reconciled, now we live in Him, if reconcilition was in fact that - God restored our relationship - salvation is Christ's life adds to that.

Reconciliation to God is announced as something that was accomplished for everyone, but we have to receive that reconcilition.

Is this making sense?

Much love!

It kind of makes sense if that was the only passage in Scripture that talks about reconciliation.

What is the ministry of reconciliation that God gave us in 2 Corinthians 5:18?

I guess I should back up a little bit here and make sure we are on the same page: What is YOUR definition of reconciliation when it pertains to this conversation?

 

[Marymog]

Isn't the "asking them to pray" the same thing as praying to them? Aren't you describing praying to someone in heaven to request they pray for you? That's how I understand these words anyway.

Much love!

Will you pray for me to have a clear mind to end my confusion on what you are saying?

 

[YeshuaFan1]

"Apparitions of the Virgin Mary" No such thing.

Whatever people think they are seeing it is definitely not Mary the mother of Jesus. It could possible be a deliberate trick or maybe a trick of the light or something else entirely. But Mary? No way.

Would say demonic!

 

[Philip James]

Isn't the "asking them to pray" the same thing as praying to them?

Hi marks,
Yes. Anytime you earnestly request something from another you are praying to them.

Peace be with you!

 

[YeshuaFan1]

Ya think?! You do know this belief makes up the vast majority of Christian history....and those that do not believe are in the minority and the newbies on the block. If you are a church of one then your religion only existed as long as you have been a Christian. If you are Protestant, then something less than 500 years. If your basing your religion all the way back to to the first 65 years of Christian history....all good...but stay in the fence. You do not need to know what happened after the first 65 years.

We know its not of God, as Jesus Christ is only One to be magnified and exalted, not mary!

 

[marks]

Hi marks,
Yes. Anytime you earnestly request something from another you are praying to them.

Peace be with you!

OK, so we ARE talking about praying to people other than God in heaven.

Much love!

 

[Philip James]

We know its not of God, as Jesus Christ is only One to be magnified and exalted, not mary!

Hello YeshuaFan,

We could not possibly magnify Mary more than God already has in choosing her to be His mother.

Honouring an artist's master piece, honours the artist..

Peace be with you!

 

[Philip James]

OK, so we ARE talking about praying to people other than God in heaven.

Much love!

Of course. You do it all the time.

Definition of pray


transitive verb

1: ENTREAT, IMPLORE —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or pleapray be careful

Taken from here: Definition of PRAY

Peace!

 

[marks]

Will you pray for me to have a clear mind to end my confusion on what you are saying?

Yes of course!

Heavenly Father, I pray for Mary and myself, that we will continue to build each other up in love, and to have full and complete understanding of all You desire for us to know. And I know that our love and unity is Your will for us, and it's in Jesus Name I ask this.

And I love your post, you express the idea very winsomely! But I see this sort of sharing in the burdens being what we do here, that we have this fellowship here in this realm, and that God intends our focus to be on Him, and one the ones sharing this life with us.

1 John 4
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

There is God Whom I have not seen, and my brother whom I have seen.

Much love!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Hi marks,
Yes. Anytime you earnestly request something from another you are praying to them.

Peace be with you!

No, that's not correct. A person can say to another person, "I pray you will listen to me," or something like that, but that's not praying to another human being, and it's certainly not praying to humans who are deceased. A prayer is a special kind of request. I think we need to define terms.

Here's the American Heritage definition of the word "pray."
pray prā
►

• intransitive verb
  To utter or address a prayer or prayers to a deity or an object of worship, often as an entreaty.
• intransitive verb
  To use prayer to request (that something may happen).
• intransitive verb
  To say (a prayer or group of prayers).

 

[Taken]

yes most of them give us a bad name :)

those darn liberals lol....................

LOL. You are a good sport.

Taken

 

[Marymog]

Yes of course!

Heavenly Father, I pray for Mary and myself, that we will continue to build each other up in love, and to have full and complete understanding of all You desire for us to know. And I know that our love and unity is Your will for us, and it's in Jesus Name I ask this.

And I love your post, you express the idea very winsomely! But I see this sort of sharing in the burdens being what we do here, that we have this fellowship here in this realm, and that God intends our focus to be on Him, and one the ones sharing this life with us.

1 John 4
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

There is God Whom I have not seen, and my brother whom I have seen.

Much love!

My definition of praying to someone: making a request to an entity (God) or person (Jesus) that can actually give you what you are asking for.

I think I now understand your definition of praying; asking someone to do something.

Did it get that right?