AN OPEN LETTER TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

[hies]

If we ‘refused to listen to opposing opinions’, we wouldn’t be going from door to door. And be so effective!

And before you go off topic, I'd like to point out blood transfusions are not eating blood. I don't think anyone thinks that at all. In fact, you wouldn't even think that if it weren't for the Watchtower's false teachings and propaganda.

1. The Rabbinic principle of Pikuach Nefesh (appealed to by Jesus at Mat 12:11) dictates that the Law be superseded if it would result in loss of life
2. The Bible refers to eating blood from animals killed for food, not blood transfusions that do not result in the death of the donor.
3. Paul showed that the prohibitions at Acts 15 were only binding when it would result in stumbling (See 1 Corinthians 8)

The Jews take the law far more seriously than you do, and they have no problem with blood transfusions. Many of them actually donate blood. These are the same people who won't even eat cheeseburgers to not even risk breaking Exodus 23:19; do not cook a calf in its mother's milk. This is because they know that blood transfusions for the purpose of saving a life are totally different to eating or drinking blood in an animal you've just killed.

Watchtower claims the command to refrain from blood originated with Noah.

"God imposed this one restriction. They were not to consume blood. (Genesis 9:3,4)" - Watchtower 2008 Oct 1 p.31

Genesis 9:4 does not discuss eating blood, rather Noah was told:

"Only flesh with its soul - its blood - YOU must not eat."

This command is about respect for animal life during the ritual of slaughter. This does not state that blood could not be eaten. In its strict Hebrew wording, it means that an animal should not have flesh torn off it for food, whilst the animal is still alive. In general, it is understood to mean that out of respect for the life of an animal, it was to be bled when being killed for food; a command against eating things strangled.

The Watchtower uses this as a key scripture to show that blood transfusions must not be used, attempting to apply it to the consumption of human blood. Neither point is made in this Scripture.

Watchtower originally recognised that Genesis 9:4 did not apply to eating blood, as shown in the following article that attempted to prove that vaccinations were wrong.

"All reasonable minds must conclude that it was not the eating of the blood that God objected to, but it was bringing the blood of the beast in contact with the blood of man." Golden Age 1931 Feb 4 p.294 - WATCHTOWER SOURCE (do CTRL+F and search for "all reasonable minds")

Showing that the Law to Noah was related to the act of killing an animal, rather than the blood itself, Deuteronomy 14:21 allowed Israelites to sell un-bled animals found dead as food for "alien residents" and "foreigners." This is because the alien resident was bound by Noahide Law, but not Mosaic Law.

The purpose of Acts 15:19-21 is to prevent stumbling. Read this, it's too long to post here:

Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower's changing stance on blood transfusions

Detailed discussion on the Watchtower's historical and current stance on banning blood transfusions for Jehovah's Witnesses and why it is doctrinally flawed

www.jwfacts.com

 

[rebuilder 454]

Lumping all Christians into one category is extremely deceitful. There have been many great followers of Christ, well before JWs existed. But this isn't about what Christians have done. It's about what the Watchtower has done.

Watchtower has nothing of power.
They are all religious robots being played by watchtower.
No spirit of God. Rather ,a religious masquerade.
Attacking the whole of Christianity is in Saul alenski's book rules for radicals.
( that book is dedicated to lucifer)

 

[rebuilder 454]

Many people on here are rabid over non-essentials. Notice, I don't involve myself in the nitpicking. Maybe it's because they see the bible speaks of false teachers and haven't met the JWS yet, so they attack over little things? lol? Maybe they are very immature believers. I honestly don't know why this place is so ridiculous. It's not a reflection of what I know. I have NOT seen this in the real life church.
Online people - who knows who is trolling who on here. I don't waste time thinking about it.
I've seen several here who seem to be true believers.
Yes, Jesus will be the judge of all. He will judge you for calling Christians, antichrists, and for putting your trust in men , not learning from Him. He did not choose the WT in 1919. He did not return in 1914.
We have been in the "last days" since John said it!
I hope one day you will admit this. I will be praying for you to be freed from bondage into Christ Jesus our Lord.

They also said a comet would destroy the entire planet in 1974.
They also said only 144k Watchtower puppets would inherit the " kingdom".

Pure ichabod jokers.
Zero prophetic mantle.
There is more of God in the wizard of Oz than in Watchtower

 

[rebuilder 454]

You make a good point. Anyone can be mistaken on matters of faith, despite unqualified certainty in their views. Mathematical certainty is unavailable. The best we can do here is to try to recognize that our frames of reference may be off kilter.

Only in non essential pillars of truth

The pillars are non negotiable.
What Watchtower spews tramples on the saints that are martyred.
The martyrs are miles apart from any Watchtower puppets.
The martyrs gave their lives for the testimony of Jesus.
That alone should bar any Watchtower Antichrist spirit from any Christian forum.

Having Watchtower here to lure God serving Christians to hell is like going to the marine corps headquarters and trampling our flag and then setting fire to it.

....and that is another thing. Cowards refusing to serve. But enjoying freedom that our American men died for.
I see them as urinating on our fallen soldiers Graves.
What do they stand for???
Jesus?????NO..THEY DENY HIM

AMERICA???? NO.. THEY COWARDLY LET OTHERS DIE FOR THEIR FREEDOM.


They stand for NOTHING BUT A DIFFERENT GOSPEL.
THAT PHONY GOSPEL OF WATCHTOWER IS KNOCKING ON DOORS.
THEY STAND FOR NOTHING.

 

[PS95]

They also said a comet would destroy the entire planet in 1974.
They also said only 144k Watchtower puppets would inherit the " kingdom".

Pure ichabod jokers.
Zero prophetic mantle.
There is more of God in the wizard of Oz than in Watchtower

There is so much to write about this man made religion that I could waste the rest of my life on it. i'm here to educate others and it would be nice to help a Jw but they worship the Tower, not GOD. Until they realize that they will never come to Christ.

 

[TheHC]

…didn't actually address the fact the Watchtower changes its mind for money…

Not a “fact”. Just opinions. Misrepresenting that, and calling it a fact, tells me that you are not willing to any reasoning dialogue.

And fwiw, your article where Dr. Muramoto & Shilmer “independently developed extrapolations” from the data…. That was ludicrous! The parameters they based their conclusions on, were not realistic, assuming all patients recover when given a blood transfusion! As if it’s some panacea!

Here’s something more up-to-date than your biased information:


“The benefits of blood transfusion have never been conclusively demonstrated, but evidence of transfusion-related harm continues to accumulate.”

Excerpt from “https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18784496/“

Will you read it? I don’t know; it seems your anger(?) / animosity(?) has blinded you.

Jesus said His disciples would be persecuted, and I have a feeling that your attacks — and others — are just whetting some honest & humble people’s interest, giving them the impetus to check facts out for themselves. That’s actually a good thing: it turns into a good witness. Like Balaam’s result.

So, thanks I guess.

Have a good day.

 

[MonoBiblical]

@TheHC Blood transfusions aren't the cause of death. Surgery is.

Perhaps it is better that JWs die then spread their lame brand of unitarianism.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Blood transfusions aren't the cause of death. Surgery is.

No, sorry. Transfusions are one of the most dangerous medical practices used today according to many in the medical profession, including professionals in the field of modern bloodless patient management.
Transfusions are the cause of more complications and death than any other procedure. Those who don’t believe that there are very grave risks associated with this procedure, have not done their homework.

Perhaps it is better that JWs die then spread their lame brand of unitarianism.

Nice…..thank you for that very Christian comment…..
Those who die after refusing blood would be in a very small minority of cases, and would likely have died regardless of whether they had transfusions or not. More people die after a transfusion than who die after refusing one.…..but you knew that, right?
We know our own experiences, not the reports of those trying to hang on to a multi-million dollar business that actually endangers life whilst claiming to save it.

And we don’t have a lame brand of Unitarianism….if fact we don’t have a “brand” of anything associated with Christendom at all. We prefer to follow what the Bible says.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No, sorry. Transfusions are one of the most dangerous medical practices used today according to many in the medical profession, including professionals in the field of modern bloodless patient management.
Transfusions are the cause of more complications and death than any other procedure. Those who don’t believe that there are very grave risks associated with this procedure, have not done their homework.

You are delusional.

Those who die after refusing blood would be in a very small minority of cases, and would likely have died regardless of whether they had transfusions or not. More people die after a transfusion than who die after refusing one.…..but you knew that, right?

Just like the watchtower loves them. These are all lie, but a group without college degrees is trying to teach me otherwise.

We know our own experiences, not the reports of those trying to hang on to a multi-million dollar business that actually endangers life whilst claiming to save it.

Neo luddite baloney. Perhaps you should go get vaccinated with a Covid shot. If you don't die, you will understand the business side of medicine better.

And we don’t have a lame brand of Unitarianism….if fact we don’t have a “brand” of anything associated with Christendom at all. We prefer to follow what the Bible says.

Yes, you do. It is for those who want to be mediocre. How is that Sunday keeping dogma going for you by the way?

 

[Aunty Jane]

You are delusional.

So must these doctors be delusional…..this was posted on the Australian Government website.
They have known about this for decades…..

Blood Transfusions

Take notes.

It is for those who want to be mediocre. How is that Sunday keeping dogma going for you by the way?

SDA? Wow….you are about the meanest SDA I have ever met…
We don’t have a Sunday dogma….we don’t have a Saturday one either…

 

[hies]

Not a “fact”. Just opinions. Misrepresenting that, and calling it a fact, tells me that you are not willing to any reasoning dialogue.

And fwiw, your article where Dr. Muramoto & Shilmer “independently developed extrapolations” from the data…. That was ludicrous! The parameters they based their conclusions on, were not realistic, assuming all patients recover when given a blood transfusion! As if it’s some panacea!

Here’s something more up-to-date than your biased information:


“The benefits of blood transfusion have never been conclusively demonstrated, but evidence of transfusion-related harm continues to accumulate.”

Excerpt from “https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18784496/“

Will you read it? I don’t know; it seems your anger(?) / animosity(?) has blinded you.

Jesus said His disciples would be persecuted, and I have a feeling that your attacks — and others — are just whetting some honest & humble people’s interest, giving them the impetus to check facts out for themselves. That’s actually a good thing: it turns into a good witness. Like Balaam’s result.

So, thanks I guess.

Have a good day.

It is a fact. They literally admitted to it. And I'm very sorry that you think being told the truth means you're being persecuted.

"assuming all patients recover when given a blood transfusion! As if it’s some panacea!"

That doesn't matter to the data. The odds of survival are obviously significantly higher. Even if the odds of survival were 10% with a blood transfusion (it's actually closer to 98%), that would still mean 2-3 JWs die per week as a direct result of rejecting the transfusion. And if you'd actually read the article you posted, you'd have seen it was talking about patients with anaemia, that instead of just automatically pumping them with blood whenever they have problems, it might be worth investigating other options because it's not a good long-term solution. It has nothing to do with people who need blood transfusions during surgery, or have experienced serious injuries and need blood to survive.

But even still, the Bible does not condemn blood transfusions: AN OPEN LETTER TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

How about you read that post and the other article I posted in it?

 

[hies]

Those who die after refusing blood would be in a very small minority of cases, and would likely have died regardless of whether they had transfusions or not. More people die after a transfusion than who die after refusing one.…..but you knew that, right?

FDA Releases 2021 Report on Fatalities Following Blood Collection and Transfusion

FDA recently published a report that summarizes fatalities possibly linked to blood collection and transfusion during fiscal year (FY) 2021. The report also offers insight by comparing this data to those from the previous five fiscal years.

www.aabb.org

Only 61 died as a result of transfusion, POTENTIALLY. Do you know how many transfusions are done in the US every year? 4.5 million...

Risk of blood transfusion / Illegal breach of confidentiality: Addendum to reply to Furuli

www.bmj.com

"Receiving blood transfusion increased the mortality by 0.001 to 0.0012%, whereas refusing blood transfusion increased the mortality by 0.5% to 1.5%."

So without a blood transfusion, you're literally 500-1500x more likely to die.

Your anti-biblical, false-prophesying, money-loving Watchtower-God is literally killing people with its propaganda and false teachings.

 

[hies]

Not a “fact”. Just opinions. Misrepresenting that, and calling it a fact, tells me that you are not willing to any reasoning dialogue.

Convenient of you to miss the bold text in my other post:

"All reasonable minds must conclude that it was not the eating of the blood that God objected to, but it was bringing the blood of the beast in contact with the blood of man." Golden Age 1931 Feb 4 p.294 - WATCHTOWER SOURCE (do CTRL+F and search for "all reasonable minds")

So @Aunty Jane the Watchtower has literally said you both have unreasonable minds. This publication from them was anti-vaccine, not anti-blood transfusion. But it's interesting that they now say vaccines are okay though (because they couldn't afford the legal costs, of course).

 

[Aunty Jane]

FDA Releases 2021 Report on Fatalities Following Blood Collection and Transfusion

FDA recently published a report that summarizes fatalities possibly linked to blood collection and transfusion during fiscal year (FY) 2021. The report also offers insight by comparing this data to those from the previous five fiscal years.

www.aabb.org

Only 61 died as a result of transfusion, POTENTIALLY. Do you know how many transfusions are done in the US every year? 4.5 million...

Risk of blood transfusion / Illegal breach of confidentiality: Addendum to reply to Furuli

www.bmj.com

"Receiving blood transfusion increased the mortality by 0.001 to 0.0012%, whereas refusing blood transfusion increased the mortality by 0.5% to 1.5%."

So without a blood transfusion, you're literally 500-1500x more likely to die.

Your anti-biblical, false-prophesying, money-loving Watchtower-God is literally killing people with its propaganda and false teachings.

So you believe the data published by the very organisations who proved that their information and confirmation of the efficacy of their methods and treatments in the recent pandemic were true and reliable?

Were their vaxxes “safe and effective”? Did those jabs do what these organisations claimed that they did?
Do you have any idea how the figures were fudged to indicate what was blatantly false? They lie because they have vested interests in the products they want to sell....greed drives everything. (1 John 5:19)

So....if you believe these sources, I have nothing further to add.....

You do you.....we will follow what the Bible says about the sanctity of blood to the one who created it....
It is our choice to “abstain” as the Bible says. You can do whatever you like. That is your call, not ours.

The information you quoted above has no relevance to our position because it is not a medical decision...it is a scriptural one......whatever the medical outcome, it all boils down to quality medical care. Instead of respecting the patient’s wishes, some doctors will opt to do nothing, indicating that their hands are tied......other doctors will use other methods and succeed because they are not blinded by their own pride and have don’t have anything to prove.

It is because of treating JW patients that new methods of treatment were implemented with great success.
Whole hospital around the world are now dedicated to the non-blood management of their patients because it gives them better outcomes and saves them money.

John’s Hopkins is a well known and respected hospital where they specialize in bloodless medicine.
John’s Hopkins Center for bloodless medicine and surgery

They don’t really care about our religion.....they care about their bottom line and the stats indicated that a quicker recovery rate and less time spent in hospital allowed more patients to be treated and more money to be made. A very good all round result….for them and us. You paint a very distorted picture….but it’s not an unexpected one.

We do not force our views on medical issues because they are a personal choice for each individual. But the Bible is resolute about the consumption of blood.

Isn’t it wonderful to live in a society where you can be sued for just about anything?
Money solves all problems for those who are not happy with how something turns out.....like giving candy to a child throwing a tantrum.....

 

[hies]

So you believe the data published by the very organisations who proved that their information and confirmation of the efficacy of their methods and treatments in the recent pandemic were true and reliable?

Were their vaxxes “safe and effective”? Did those jabs do what these organisations claimed that they did?
Do you have any idea how the figures were fudged to indicate what was blatantly false? They lie because they have vested interests in the products they want to sell....greed drives everything. (1 John 5:19)

So....if you believe these sources, I have nothing further to add.....

You do you.....we will follow what the Bible says about the sanctity of blood to the one who created it....
It is our choice to “abstain” as the Bible says. You can do whatever you like. That is your call, not ours.

The information you quoted above has no relevance to our position because it is not a medical decision...it is a scriptural one......whatever the medical outcome, it all boils down to quality medical care. Instead of respecting the patient’s wishes, some doctors will opt to do nothing, indicating that their hands are tied......other doctors will use other methods and succeed because they are not blinded by their own pride and have don’t have anything to prove.

It is because of treating JW patients that new methods of treatment were implemented with great success.
Whole hospital around the world are now dedicated to the non-blood management of their patients because it gives them better outcomes and saves them money.

John’s Hopkins is a well known and respected hospital where they specialize in bloodless medicine.
John’s Hopkins Center for bloodless medicine and surgery

They don’t really care about our religion.....they care about their bottom line and the stats indicated that a quicker recovery rate and less time spent in hospital allowed more patients to be treated and more money to be made. A very good all round result….for them and us. You paint a very distorted picture….but it’s not an unexpected one.

We do not force our views on medical issues because they are a personal choice for each individual. But the Bible is resolute about the consumption of blood.

Isn’t it wonderful to live in a society where you can be sued for just about anything?
Money solves all problems for those who are not happy with how something turns out.....like giving candy to a child throwing a tantrum.....

Saying they created better methods because of the Watchtower's false teachings is nothing but damage control. You acknowledging this actually proves you're aware that getting blood transfusions saves significantly more lives than it takes. Because they wouldn't have had to resort to such methods if they didn't. You can't claim "oh look the doctors had to create new methods to save JWs because they refuse blood transfusions" and "blood transfusions do more harm than good", because if blood transfusions indeed did more harm than good, doctors wouldn't have had to invent new methods due to JWs refusing transfusions, but they would have already been invented because blood transfusions were doing more harm than good. Do you follow? Hopefully that highlights the contradictory beliefs you hold. Also we got computers as a result of WW2. Often it's people doing bad things that make good people invent a solution.

What's more interesting though is in order to use blood fractions, you need to use significantly more stored blood to begin with (9-10x the amount). The Watchtower is against donating and storing blood too, so this is a double standard, and really it just exposes the hypocrisy of the Watchtower. Why are blood fractions allowed if it depends upon significantly more donated blood, and donating and storing blood isn't allowed? If blood must be poured on the ground, where are the blood fractions they use derived from? If abstaining from blood does not allow taking a "major" fraction, why does it allow a fraction of a fraction? If blood fractions were always acceptable to Jehovah, who is responsible for the Witnesses that needlessly died refusing them, due to Watchtower policy forbidding them prior to the year 2000?

This level of inconsistency and hypocrisy is not a result of God, but a result of men trying to play God.

The Bible is not against blood transfusions, at all. Read my post here: AN OPEN LETTER TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

But if you would simply just read this article it would save us both going in circles. It refutes every single point that you brought up: Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower's changing stance on blood transfusions

Conveniently you too missed the bold text in my last post. I know you read it though, so all you're doing is proving to me how wilfully ignorant you are of the facts. And your excessive paranoia is a result of demonic oppression, not from the spirit of God.

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. - 2 Timothy 1:7

You're so afraid of the Watchtower and Satan you've began calling good evil, and evil good.