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[Marty fox]

Satan was bound from executing his right to destroy Jerusalem just after the cross as described in Daniel 9:26-27. This allowed the gospel to get preached in all the world prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. Babylon fell and became the cage of every foul spirit, this is where Satan was for the millennium while the gospel was preached.

When Satan was loosed after the millennium he fulfilled the Daniel 9:26-27 destruction of Jerusalem which was the last act prophesied for the Gentiles. This is when the fullness or fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles happened.

God destroyed Jerusalem not satan it was never satans right. God used Rome in her own evil way to destroy Jerusalem for His purpose

So do you think that the millennium lasted about 40 years?

 

[grafted branch]

So do you think that the millennium lasted about 40 years?

Yes, it could’ve been one day or a thousand years. It was an undisclosed time period that only the Father knew.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I don’t think so, look at the Greek on this verse, to crush is future not past.

will soon crush
συντρίψει (syntripsei)
Verb - Future Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 4937: From sun and the base of tribos; to crush completely, i.e. To shatter.

Obviously, you were not listening to the context and who God was talking to.

Good night.

 

[grafted branch]

Rev 7:2-4
(2) And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
(3) Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
(4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

You left out Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

The four angels are holding the four winds, not allowing the wind to blow.

In vs 2 it tells us the angels are given to hurt the earth and sea. They are not given to protect the earth and sea.

In vs 3 the four angels are commanded to not hurt the earth as sea till the servants are sealed.

In vs 4 John heard the number that were, as in past tense, sealed.

Think about it, the four angels were hurting the earth and sea by not letting the wind blow. The four angels were not protecting the earth, they were hurting the earth and sea. While the earth and sea were being hurt 144,000 were sealed. At Pentecost a sound from heaven as a mighty rushing wind occurred, the four angels obey the command and let the wind blow. After that a great multitude which no man can number of every nation are saved.

Selah

 

[grafted branch]

Obviously, you were not listening to the context and who God was talking to.

Good night.

Well obviously you are not looking at the Greek.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You left out Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

The four angels are holding the four winds, not allowing the wind to blow.

In vs 2 it tells us the angels are given to hurt the earth and sea. They are not given to protect the earth and sea.

In vs 3 the four angels are commanded to not hurt the earth as sea till the servants are sealed.

In vs 4 John heard the number that were, as in past tense, sealed.

Think about it, the four angels were hurting the earth and sea by not letting the wind blow. The four angels were not protecting the earth, they were hurting the earth and sea. While the earth and sea were being hurt 144,000 were sealed. At Pentecost a sound from heaven as a mighty rushing wind occurred, the four angels obey the command and let the wind blow. After that a great multitude which no man can number of every nation are saved.

Selah

First, do you even know who are the four angels? Aren't they the same four angels found in Revelation 9?

Rev 9:14-15
(14) Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
(15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men

Do you understand who the four angels (messengers) are? What does the great river Euphrates refer to? A physical river in Iraq? Do you understand why they are prepared for an hour, a day, a month and a years? And who are the third part of men that they slay and why? I bet you do not have the answer for theses unless you show us the Scripture what God actually talked about.

God was NOT talking about four angelic beings here at all! The angels of heaven are NOT messengers "bound" in the physical great river Euphrates that must be loosed. This is the SIGNIFICATION of wicked messengers of the church being bound or restrained from their evil for a time by God so He can build a church UNTIL all Elect has been sealed by the testimony of the Two Witnesses (church) as she goes into the whole world. AND THEN the wicked messengers can be loosed at an appointed time. The river is a SYNONYM for the bottomless pit or abyss where Satan is bound. By bound means that their evil spirit to hurt men has been restrained. Selah! Do you realize that the word, Euphrates [perath], means "to break forth?" These four messengers bound there, break forth as a flood in judgment of God upon the whole world. So the messengers will be led by the spirit of antichrist, driven AS a wind drives waves upon the sea (people), to HURT! Hurt only those who have not yet been sealed by God as you read in Revelation 9! The four messengers in Revelation 9 depict a great evil bound in the Chruch by the Cross, now being loosed as she falls away from God. Selah!

The images of Revelation 7 are ALLEGORICAL REPRESENTATIONS of the people of the world, and how when the wind blows upon them, they are hurt by BEING DECEIVED. The number 4 represents universality, therefore, these four messengers universally hold the wind which blows on the earth, trees, and the sea to hurt it. The earth, trees, and sea all represent PEOPLE, not physical Earth, trees and oceans. This hold this spirit (of evil), and are bound by the Word of God from falling away to hurt the earth UNTIL God allows it. It means what hurt comes upon the earth BY MEANS OF THIS WIND, is in the hands of God.

The wind of Revelation 7 has nothing to do with the wind at Pentecost that you alleged. It is because the wind of Revelation 7 is the evil spirit while the wind at Pentecost is the Holy Spirit. You are mixing apples with oranges.

 

[grafted branch]

The wind of Revelation 7 has nothing to do with the wind at Pentecost that you alleged. It is because the wind of Revelation 7 is the evil spirit while the wind at Pentecost is the Holy Spirit. You are mixing apples with oranges.

I agree that the four angels are given to hurt the earth and sea. If the wind is what hurts the earth and sea, then why do you suppose they are holding it back and protecting the earth and sea in vs 1? The angels are not given to protect.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I agree that the four angels are given to hurt the earth and sea. If the wind is what hurts the earth and sea, then why do you suppose they are holding it back and protecting the earth and sea in vs 1? The angels are not given to protect.

Haven’t you really listen to what I wrote earlier on WHY the four angels hold their winds or WHY Satan was bound in bottomless pit in the first place? Read my previous posts again and try again.

 

[grafted branch]

Haven’t you really listen to what I wrote earlier on WHY the four angels hold their winds or WHY Satan was bound in bottomless pit in the first place? Read my previous posts again and try again.

Your assumption is that the four angels in Revelation 7:1 are the same four angels in Revelation 9:14 and that these two events happen at the same time. That assumption cannot be correct, since that would mean the Revelation 7:1 angels were protecting the earth and sea.

I don’t know how you can come to some of your conclusions when it clearly causes issues with other verses. If you can’t give a reasonable explanation of why, in your view, the Revelation 7:1 angels were putting forth effort to protect the earth and sea from evil wind, then I can’t take your view on this as a serious argument.

 

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I updated post #1. Thanks.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Your assumption is that the four angels in Revelation 7:1 are the same four angels in Revelation 9:14 and that these two events happen at the same time. That assumption cannot be correct, since that would mean the Revelation 7:1 angels were protecting the earth and sea.

Read again!

Rev 7:1
(1) And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

The visions of revelation are apocalyptic, where God uses symbolism to paint spiritual pictures which are uncovered for God's servants to reveal His plan and judgments. Again, the number four in scripture signifies "universality." These four messengers [aggelos] are universally present. They are standing on the four corners of the earth, signifying that they are all over the world. They stand in the north, south, east, and west, the four points of the compass, and they hold back this coming judgment of God.

Wind or breath in scripture is often symbolic of the spirit. In fact the very word spirit means a current of air (wind), and often from the mouth, as breath. It is synonymous with the unseen life, which is the spirit. Just as you can feel the wind, but cannot see it, so is the Spirit. This is seen from the beginning (Gen. 2:7) when the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The breath signifies the life or the spirit of man.

Job 27:3

• "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;"

Ezekiel 37:9

• "Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."

Isaiah 42:5

• "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"

The four winds they are holding back from hurting the earth are symbolic of the wild or wicked spirit of the air, of which God says Satan is the Prince of! In other words, this spirit or wind is a worldwide judgment of evil that is held back so that it not come upon the earth until certain criteria are met. We will see in later verses that this criteria is that all the Israel of God must be sealed first. That is until the LAST ELECT is sealed or secured by the testimony of Two Witnesses, THEN, and ONLY THEN can this great tribulation period occur where evil spirit (wind) rules worldwide. It is Satan who is the ruler of the power of the air, which will one day blow on the earth and hurt it.

Ephesians 2:2

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

This word air is the base word of the word wind. Wind is it's plural. The ruler of this power of the air is the spirit of Satan. And this wind is not allowed to blow on the earth to hurt it because these universal or world wide (4) messengers, are commanded of God that they cannot hurt until all Israel is sealed. You need to understand that the Messenger of the East is Jesus Christ, the one who had Satan being bound so that His Kingdom could be spoiled with Elect being free for spiritual bondage by hearing the Gospel!

 

[grafted branch]

Ezekiel 37:9

• "Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."

I’m in agreement with you on the analysis of the wind, it can be either good or bad.

In Ezekiel 37:9 the wind is not evil, it brings life to the dry bones. That wind was prophesied to come or commanded to come, this has the same characteristics as the Revelation 7:1-4 wind, the earth is hurt when this wind doesn’t blow.

Ephesians 2:2

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

When Ephesians was written the spirit or wind of the prince of the power of the air was working (blowing) in the children of disobedience. If the Revelation 7:1 wind is evil, then the angels were not preventing that wind from blowing in the first century, right?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I’m in agreement with you on the analysis of the wind, it can be either good or bad.

In Ezekiel 37:9 the wind is not evil, it brings life to the dry bones. That wind was prophesied to come or commanded to come, this has the same characteristics as the Revelation 7:1-4 wind, the earth is hurt when this wind doesn’t blow.


When Ephesians was written the spirit or wind of the prince of the power of the air was working (blowing) in the children of disobedience. If the Revelation 7:1 wind is evil, then the angels were not preventing that wind from blowing in the first century, right?

Knowing that you are Preterist, but sorry, Revelation 7:1 has NOTHING to do with the first century. Therefore the sealing of 144,000 has nothing to do with national Israel in the first century. It has to do with the sealing of ELECT of the world through the testimony of the church (Two Witnesses) during the millennial kingdom. This is why God had Satan/evil wind restrained from blowing until His building of the True Church is finished. That is in the future, probably today. Not in the first century. Not 70AD. Not even about 144,000 headcount of 12 literal tribes of Israel.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It gets more skewed when the imprisonment of satan is ignored. He is bound by a chain by an angel and then locked inside of the pit.

Acting as if Satan is a physical being who can be literally, physically chained up is what makes things more skewed than ever.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The chain, whatever it is, physically binds satan. It is carried by an angel. It's purpose is like ma straightjacket, to immobilize the person. After that satan is locked in a prison. Many do not even acknowledge that part.

This shows a complete lack of discernment on your part. Satan is not a physical being. What nonsense. Unbelievable.

 

[grafted branch]

This is why God had Satan/evil wind restrained from blowing until His building of the True Church is finished. That is in the future, probably today. Not in the first century. Not 70AD. Not even about 144,000 headcount of 12 literal tribes of Israel.

Ephesians 2:2

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

Do you have an adversity to fulfillment or something?

The children of disobedience had the evil spirit working in them during the first century as clearly stated in Ephesians 2:2.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan was bound from executing his right to destroy Jerusalem just after the cross as described in Daniel 9:26-27. This allowed the gospel to get preached in all the world prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. Babylon fell and became the cage of every foul spirit, this is where Satan was for the millennium while the gospel was preached.

When Satan was loosed after the millennium he fulfilled the Daniel 9:26-27 destruction of Jerusalem which was the last act prophesied for the Gentiles. This is when the fullness or fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles happened.

So, let's clarify something here. What you call "the millennium" scripture calls "a thousand years". So, while I agree that the thousand years isn't literal and is figurative, you see it as having lasted about 37 years or so? That would really be something if "a thousand years" ended up figuratively representing only 37 years. But, I can't take that seriously. Jerusalem was absolutely not "the beloved city" in 70 AD. A supposedly beloved city that God destroyed? No. He would not have destroyed it if He still considered it "the beloved city" at that point.

It's referred to as "a thousand years", as inspired by the Holy Spirit, because God knew it would be a long time while Jesus would reign at His right hand in heaven after His ascension until it was time for His return. Figuratively representing 37 literal years as "a thousand years" just makes no sense whatsoever. Jesus Himself indicated that it would be "a long time" before He would return.

Matthew 25:1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. 16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

You think Jesus came back in 70 AD, but I would not consider 37 years to be "a long time" and certainly not an amount of time that I think could be figuratively represented by "a thousand years".

 

[TribulationSigns]

Do you have an adversity to fulfillment or something?

The children of disobedience had the evil spirit working in them during the first century as clearly stated in Ephesians 2:2.

You had no idea who the children of the tribes of Israel are.

Revelation 7:4

• "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

Like you, those who attempt to read Revelation as a literal narrative must say that this means that only literally 144,000 Jews are converted. But this number is used elsewhere, and is understood symbolic in nature. The root numbers of 144,000 are quite obviously the numbers 10 and 12. The number 10 and it's multiples (100, 1000, etc) are the numbers of fullness. As demonstrated in the 10 virgins, or the 100 sheep with one going astray, or the 1000 years being as one day. They all signify the fullness of whatever is in view. And the number 12 is illustrative of the Congregation of the Lord, as seen in the Old Covenant 12 tribes of Israel, or the New Covenant 12 Apostles. 1000 times 12 is 12,000. That is the fulness of those children of God who are sealed. And of course, 12,000 times each tribe is 144,000. The perfect measured fulness of the house of God from all tribes, as also illustrated in the perfect City of Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:16

• "And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."

Moreover, some peculiarities should readily alert us to the fact that this 144,000 is NOT the tribes of earthly Israel. First of all, we've seen symbolism all throughout Revelation, and why would God suddenly have this chapter to be curiously understood as a literal narrative, in the midst of all this symbolism? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Secondly, those sealed are said to be made up all the tribes of Israel, and yet all the literal tribes of Israel are not listed. This is because this is Spiritual Israel, an Israel in Christ, not the nation in the middle east. Not even in the first century! When we examine the census carefully, we find there are significant differences from lists in other places in scripture.

Thirdly, the number 144,000 is 12000 times the 12 tribes, signifying the measured congregation of the Lord's Chosen. 12 is the number of the Church, both seen in the Old and New Covenant. And each tribe here has "exactly" 12,000 sealed, which is yet another indication of the spiritual signification, as also seen in the City of God.

Revelation 21:12-17

• "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribesof the children of Israel:
  
  
• On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
  
  
• And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
  
  
• And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
  
  
• And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs.The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
  
  
• And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."

Hello? The City of God is not 12,000 furlongs by coincidence any more than each tribe has 12,000 sealed by coincidence. The wall is not 144,000 cubits by coincidence any more than those sealed of Israel are 144,000. These numbers are God ordained to signify the full measure of the Israel of God. This liberal use of the number 12 in Revelation illustrates this. Whether the 12 Apostles, the 12 tribes, the tree of life which bears 12 manner of fruit, the 12 gates, the 12 pearls, the 12 foundations, etc., these are spiritual significations of the fullness, for, and of, the body of believers. Not a literal city Jerusalem in the Middle East, but a Spiritual Jerusalem in the Israel which is Christ. Not a worldly Israel, but a heavenly habitation of God. This Israel is also illustrated in Revelation chapter 14.

Revelation 14:1-5

• "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
  
  
• And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
  
  
• And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
  
  
• These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
  
  
• And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Here God tells us clearly who these 144,000 represent. The body of Christ are those who stand on Mount Zion with this Lamb and all have the Father's name written in their foreheads. All part of a New Covenant with Israel, which is not an earthly nation, but spiritual agreement or promise, which is something far superior. As also seen in Hebrews chapter 12.

Hebrews 12:22-24

• "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
• To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
• And to Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

This is the heavenly Jerusalem, the City of God which is 12,000 furlongs and the wall of which is 144,000 cubits. Quite obviously a Spiritual City made up of all those in Christ. Hebrews tells us, "this" is the City which those who are sealed have come unto. "This" is the Mount Sion that the New Covenant signifies, it's not just literally 12,000 each, or 144,000, but an innumerable company of messengers. We are the Children of God. Jew, Greek, or Roman, we are all "one" in Christ. He has broken down that middle wall of partition which separated Jew and Gentile, and has reconciled both as one unto God[8]. There is no separate New Covenant with an Israel of Jews and a New Covenant with the Israel of Gentiles, there is only "one" New Covenant, and one mediator, which is Christ! Hebrews chapters 8 and 9 make that abundantly clear, if we will receive it. It is the whole congregation of God.

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[TribulationSigns]

[Contiune from previous post]

Revelation 14 speaks of this Chosen people, these Children of God, this Israel of God. They alone sing the new song, and none but these can learn it. It is none but the Chosen of God who are the ones Revelation says were redeemed from the earth. By the New Covenant Redeemer, who is Christ!

Luke 1:68

• "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,"

Matthew 1:21

• "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Hebrews 9:15

• "And for this cause he is the mediator of the New Covenant, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first Covenant, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."

The First Covenant with who? Israel of course, and the New Covenant of this redemption is likewise with Israel. All in Christ, are that Israel redeemed from their sins by this mediator of the New Covenant.

Likewise, these are they which are undefiled by women. Revelation is again using symbolic language to signify that these are virgins, who have not fornicated (spiritually) with the great harlot. Just as in the parable of the 10 virgins. And we are the only ones who follow the lamb (Christ) wherever He goes. It is the Church which are the only firstfruits unto God. There cannot be two firstfruits. Christ is thee firstfruit, and we (the body of Christ) are the firstfruits, in Him. Likewise, only those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb can be spoken of as "in their mouth is no guile," and only the Church is without fault before God! All these things spoken about of these 144,000 who are sealed, apply to the body of Christ alone. No one "but" those in Christ qualify, and additionally, all those in Christ qualify.

1st Corinthians 1:7-8

• "So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
  
  
• Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."

In order to be blameless, these sealed must be those who are in Christ! Man dreamed vain genealogies notwithstanding, Christ is not divided!

Galatians 3:28

• "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

And so where is the mystery about this 144,000 redeemed from the earth? The 12 tribes of Israel here are a synonym for the Children of God, or the Church, just as the 12 Apostles represented the Children of God or the Church. Redemption comes only by the cross, and all those redeemed by the cross are one body, called Christians. They have one head, which is Christ! These 12,000 of each tribe, 144,000 strong, are the Israel of God redeemed by the cross from all tribes or families. This is confirmed in Revelation chapter 22:

Revelation 22:3-4

• "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve him:
  
  
• And they shall see his face; and His name shall be in their foreheads."

Again, where is the mystery? These 144,000 with the name of God in their foreheads represent the fullness of the Israel of God. It is all those in Christ (Israel). In order for there to be a sealing from "all the tribes of the Children of Israel," this has to be understood spiritually. For there can be no question but that the Church is the sons of God, the seed of Abraham, the Chosen people, the Elect, the special or peculiar people, the Holy nation, the kingdom of Priests, and the branches of the Olive Tree, right along with the Jews! They are part of this New Covenant with Israel in Christ, just as physical Jewish people are.
Therefore the Children of Disobedience did not end in the first century. It continues until the last day. In other word, the generation of evil, aka the spiritual family of Satan - the children of disobedience, will not end until all things are fulfilled. Not within your 70AD fantasy.