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So the search engine gaslights people this way? clfh

Have you Googled anything lately? Now an AI response is always at the top of the page now where it never was before, so it's going to get worse.

Now we wrestle not with flesh and bone, (nor with Electronics!)...but with principalities and evil powers of the dark world. That said, I wonder what types of spirits are involved with AI?
Spirit of Deception? Spirit of Discord? Spirit of Confusion? There may be many. Undoubtedly, there many of them.

So I would say yes to your question.
So speak to your electronics if they act up! Speak to the spirits behind the difficulty. One clue is, what types of sites or videos is your computer giving you problems with? Sites and videos which give glory to God perhaps? Yess, what a coinkidink!

But if you go watch a secular movie which glorifies sin, waddayaknow, no glitching! plays right thru! Huh!
 

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Bill Gates keeps trying to get into my computer too. He sure wants me to use his microaft edge very badly! It opens on it's own and I have always been careful not to even open one page on it. I just close it. I have looked in settings for a way to make it shut off and I can't find anything to do that, nor can I uninstall it. (Window 11, Ha! Junk)

Conclusion? Bill Gates is evil too.
 

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The phrase "Your throne, O God" in Hebrews 1:8 is a direct quotation of Psalm 45:6 (LXX: 44:7):

ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ Θεός, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος
(ho thronos sou, ho Theos, eis ton aiōna tou aiōnos)
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever."

Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ θεὸς εἰς αἱῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος. ὁ θεὸς is the ordinary vocative in Hellenistic Greek. This use of the nominative for the vocative is sometimes scornful in classical Greek (as in χαῖρε ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων), but is used in Hellenistic in direct addresses, comp. Luk_12:32 μὴ φοβοῦ τὸ μικρὸν ποίμνιον, Luk_8:54 ἡ παῖς ἔγειρε. The quotation is from Psa_45:6-7 (LXX.), which in its primary and historic sense is a splendid epithalamium to Solomon, or Joram, or some theocratic king of David’s house. But in the idealism and hyperbole of its expression it pointed forward to “the King in His beauty.” “Thy throne, O Elohim,” is the rendering which seems most natural, and this at once evidences the mystic and ideal character of the language; for though judges and rulers are sometimes collectively and indirectly called Elohim (Exo_21:6; Exo_22:8; Psa_82:1; Jhn_10:34-36) yet nothing which approaches a title so exalted is ever given to a human person, except in this typical sense (as in Isa_9:6). The original, however, has been understood by some to mean “Thy divine throne”; and this verse may be rendered “God is Thy throne for ever and ever.” Philo had spoken of the Logos as “the eldest Angel,” “an Archangel of many names” (De Conf. Ling. 28), and it was most necessary for the writer to shew that the Mediator of the New Covenant was not merely an Angel like the ministers of the Old, or even an Archangel, but the Divine Prae-existent Son whose dispensation therefore supersedes that which had been administered by inferior beings. The Targum on this Psalm (45:3) renders it “Thy beauty, O King Messiah, is greater than the sons of men,” and Aben Ezra says it refers not so much to David as to his son Messiah.


Heb 1:8 And Hashem says to HaBen, KIS'AHCHA ELOHIM OLAM VAED SHEVET MISHOR SHEVET MALKHUTECHA ("Your throne, O G-d, will endure for ever and ever, and the scepter of justice is the scepter of your kingdom" --TEHILLIM 45:7).
Heb 1:9 AHAVTA TZEDEK VATISNA RE'SHA, AL KEN MESHAKHACHA ELOHIM, ELOHECHA SHEMEN SASSON MECHAVERECHA ("You loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; on account of this G-d, your G-d, anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions"--TEHILLIM 45:8).


This phrase is significant for understanding the deity of Christ, as it is applied to the Son in the context of Hebrews 1. A syntactical analysis of the Greek provides clarity:

1. Nominative Case Usage and Vocative Implication
ὁ θρόνος σου (ho thronos sou): "Your throne"

The noun θρόνος (throne) is nominative singular, functioning as the subject of the sentence.

The possessive pronoun σου (your) indicates that the throne belongs to the addressee.

ὁ Θεός (ho Theos): "O God"

The noun Θεός (God) appears in the nominative case but functions as a vocative of direct address. In Greek, nominative forms are often used as vocatives, particularly in poetic or formal contexts. This is a direct address to the king, explicitly identifying him as God.

The definite article ὁ preceding Θεός emphasizes the specific divine identity of the addressee.
Thus, the phrase is syntactically structured as a direct address to the Son, declaring His divine authority and eternal rule.

2. The Contextual Syntax of Psalm 45:6

In the original Psalm, the verse celebrates the king's role, blending human kingship with divine characteristics. The LXX translators preserved the phrase as addressing the king as "God," highlighting a unique theological recognition of the king's divine-like role.
The author of Hebrews applies this to the Son, using the psalm typologically to affirm Jesus’ divine status and eternal reign.

3. Predicate Structure
εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος (eis ton aiōna tou aiōnos): "forever and ever"
This prepositional phrase functions adverbially, modifying the predicate, affirming the eternal nature of the throne and reign.
The repetition (eis ton aiōna tou aiōnos) is a Hebraic idiom often used to emphasize perpetuity.
In the syntactical structure, the eternal nature of the throne further supports the divine identity of the addressee, as only God’s reign is described as everlasting (cf. Psalm 93:2).

4. Applicability in Hebrews
In Hebrews 1:8, the syntax shifts from a general description of kingship in the psalm to a Christological application:

The Son is explicitly addressed as God (ὁ Θεός), elevating Him above angels (Hebrews 1:4-7).


The throne (θρόνος) and eternal reign (εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα) emphasize His divine authority and uncreated nature, attributes reserved for God alone.

5. Granville Sharp Rule
While this phrase does not invoke the Granville Sharp Rule explicitly, it aligns with broader principles of Greek syntax where the article (ὁ) and the noun (Θεός) indicate specificity. Here, ὁ Θεός is unambiguously addressing the Son as God.

6. Contrasts in Hebrews
Hebrews contrasts the Son’s eternal kingship with the created, mutable nature of angels (1:7). By applying Psalm 45:6 to Jesus, the author syntactically and theologically underscores:

Jesus is not merely a human or angelic figure but shares in the divine identity.

His kingship is eternal and unshakable, consistent with Old Testament descriptions of God’s rule.

Conclusion of Syntax
The syntax of ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ Θεός in Hebrews 1:8 unambiguously portrays the Son as divine. The nominative ὁ Θεός functions vocatively, addressing the Son directly as "God." The eternal nature of the throne further substantiates His divine identity, as no created being is depicted with such attributes. This aligns with the broader Christological argument of Hebrews 1, which establishes Jesus’ superiority and equality with God.

You agree with this @Hobie?

J.
I have a thread on it... Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament
 

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Have you Googled anything lately? Now an AI response is always at the top of the page now where it never was before, so it's going to get worse.

Yes, yes, it appears on the top of Brave's
Now we wrestle not with flesh and bone, (nor with Electronics!)...but with principalities and evil powers of the dark world. That said, I wonder what types of spirits are involved with AI?
Spirit of Deception? Spirit of Discord? Spirit of Confusion? There may be many. Undoubtedly, there many of them.

I dont know but its so very helpful sometimesclfh
So I would say yes to your question.
So speak to your electronics if they act up! Speak to the spirits behind the difficulty. One clue is, what types of sites or videos is your computer giving you problems with? Sites and videos which give glory to God perhaps? Yess, what a coinkidink!

No, it has never given me a problem with these sites to be honest with you. I just spent the entire night into morning getting rid of whats on one of my newer puters. First thing is always first muzzling Cortana, hah the voice of it is annoying.
But if you go watch a secular movie which glorifies sin, waddayaknow, no glitching! plays right thru! Huh!
Aint never tried that to know clfh
 
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Yes, yes, it appears on the top of Brave's


I dont know but its so very helpful sometimesclfh


No, it has never given me a problem with these sites to be honest with you. I just spent the entire night into morning getting rid of whats on one of my newer puters. First thing is always first muzzling Cortana, hah the voice of it is annoying.

Aint never tried that to know clfh
Here's my take, most see "a demon" behind every bush and AI CAN be used to for good, or for bad, to honor Christ, or not to honor Him.

To assist with biblical studies-or worldly philosophies and arguments @Verily.

J.
 
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Bill Gates keeps trying to get into my computer too. He sure wants me to use his microaft edge very badly! It opens on it's own and I have always been careful not to even open one page on it. I just close it. I have looked in settings for a way to make it shut off and I can't find anything to do that, nor can I uninstall it. (Window 11, Ha! Junk)

Conclusion? Bill Gates is evil too.
I tried this one this evening on my new Windows 10 Home laptop


I downloaded that Wise Program Uninstaller and it forced uninstalled it. Theres one piece that did not lave though.

Then I took out Bing (I think I should have done that first)


And did a few other things, they worked, I made sure to create a restore point first in case something messed up because these things are intigrated in the whole mess. But I was able to delete most of the bloat. I guess I will know on the next update whether it gets reversed but I only update once a month (and that computer I want to keep offline so it wont update at that time anyway. But I kept that uninstaller so I can keep uninstalling it.

I would rather be offline than to get that Windows 11, no thanks, cant blame you.
 

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Yes, it does, but keep in mind the search engine is something more than merely an inanimate object.

You can get a good bearing on what is really going on by watching these two short vids from another post of mine here:


Wow, that was a good video brother. It sort of explained how the demons get into electronics...which will include chip implants in ones body of course so there's your mark of the beast. Once you invite them into the door of your house and say, ok put the chip in me so I can be smart or live forever or whatever, boom, your done. It will change you DNA which is what will make you unredeemable at that point. So...no chips are going in my body at all! Nothing. If I want to feel better I have Jehovah Rapha as my God and He will heal me or make me feel better.

Who cares about the nano tech weapon systems, it lets the demons in. That's enough for me! AInt no Nephilim spirit coming around my place because stories about young David were my teacher, lol! I doubt those spirits can even approach my house! (Psalm 91 !!!)
 

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Here's my take, most see "a demon" behind every bush and AI CAN be used to for good, or for bad, to honor Christ, or not to honor Him.

To assist with biblical studies-or worldly philosophies and arguments @Verily.

J.
Only with Microsoft does seeing a demon behind every "tree" (oops, I mean "app") seems far less far fetched clfh Its just creepy. If people dont want their creepy things, they force it (then make it creepier). I cannot help but think he probably got beat up as a kid and has power struggle issues. Every online workaround is quickly patched so you cannot get rid of anything useless. Its just weird. I still have my Windows 7 and that (to me) was/is perfect. So much more simpler.

Your right Johann, can be used for good and for evil.
 
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When I moved in to the house I live in now, I walked the property line and stationed where all I want Angels posted at to defend my home...and I said to instruct them to keep watch and protect in all directions that they can see!

I made sure to do that because I had a bad incident once...Not here, but i a different place I lived in in Colorado. I had posted Angels at the edges of my property line all around, and even went into the grass which was on the edge of the street and posted them at the very edge before the street. Well it happened. Someone who had come under my roof to live with me for awhile (One of my Wife's little brothers) and My brother, set his truck on fire and it burned to the ground. I felt so bad because he was ok, my BIL. And he was living with me and someone did it to him, and it was even my troublemaker brother! I felt so bad for him! I felt like I failed him because I realized that Greg had parked in the street and according to my prayer and stationing of Angels, I did not tell them to go into the street, I said protect my property....so it was my fault for an improperly worded prayer.

That's why this time I spoke it for them to be instructed to watch to see the attackers coming at a distance and do not even let them approach my property, stop them before they get here!

See what I mean? (Whoops, time to pray Psalm 91 again...lol)
 
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Only with Microsoft does seeing a demon behind every "tree" (oops, I mean "app") seems far less far fetched clfh Its just creepy. If people dont want their creepy things, they force it (then make it creepier). I cannot help but think he probably got beat up as a kid and has power struggle issues. Every online workaround is quickly patched so you cannot get rid of anything useless. Its just weird. I still have my Windows 7 and that (to me) was/is perfect. So much more simpler.

Your right Johann, can be used for good and for evil.
Same here-Windows 7 with no problems.

J.
 
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I dont know but its so very helpful sometimesclfh

I have never used AI. I wont even use 5G internet, lol! I wont even use Grammarly or anything like that. I admit it's tempting, but I have always said no.

No, it has never given me a problem with these sites to be honest with you. I just spent the entire night into morning getting rid of whats on one of my newer puters. First thing is always first muzzling Cortana, hah the voice of it is annoying.

My son used to be my computer guy but I don't live close to him anymore. I miss him.

Aint never tried that to know clfh

Doesn't hurt to try it! Even if it don't work for you it Did work for me. I was astonished that it started working good right after I did that! I understand that at some point my computer will be old enough that even prayer can't help it, they get old too, lol.
 

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I tried this one this evening on my new Windows 10 Home laptop


I downloaded that Wise Program Uninstaller and it forced uninstalled it. Theres one piece that did not lave though.

Then I took out Bing (I think I should have done that first)


And did a few other things, they worked, I made sure to create a restore point first in case something messed up because these things are intigrated in the whole mess. But I was able to delete most of the bloat. I guess I will know on the next update whether it gets reversed but I only update once a month (and that computer I want to keep offline so it wont update at that time anyway. But I kept that uninstaller so I can keep uninstalling it.

I would rather be offline than to get that Windows 11, no thanks, cant blame you.

I think if I remember right, when I was poking around trying to uninstal it, it got to a point where it basically threatened me that my computer wouldn't work unless I let them have their way! And I've been thru that before, and I dunno how to create restore points. I watched my son do it before and he even reloaded the system for me one time, but I didn't catch how exactly he did it! (I miss him so much!)

Another thing is I bought a computer and it runs fine and lets me surf the net. I caught on to the Noton scam pretty quick and computer updates! I know they hide the new bad stuff in the updates, it makes sense they would. And if my computer is sunning ok right now without an update, then No, no updates, and I resist updates, lol. And my computer continues to fuction ok. But sometimes, it forces me to update. When I turn it on it just says...Updating....and it goes thru it automatically or else I dont go online so I got forced an update.

Edge installed a new search bar on my task bar and I cant even mouse over it without it opening edge, so I leave it alone and dont touch it, just close edge when it opens. It used to open 40 times a day on it's own! But has become less over time gradually. I'm all the way down to maybe 5 times a day edge opens. Makes me want to smack Bill Gates.

I miss my pager. That was enough technology for me!
 

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I think if I remember right, when I was poking around trying to uninstal it, it got to a point where it basically threatened me that my computer wouldn't work unless I let them have their way! And I've been thru that before, and I dunno how to create restore points. I watched my son do it before and he even reloaded the system for me one time, but I didn't catch how exactly he did it! (I miss him so much!)

Another thing is I bought a computer and it runs fine and lets me surf the net. I caught on to the Noton scam pretty quick and computer updates! I know they hide the new bad stuff in the updates, it makes sense they would. And if my computer is sunning ok right now without an update, then No, no updates, and I resist updates, lol. And my computer continues to fuction ok. But sometimes, it forces me to update. When I turn it on it just says...Updating....and it goes thru it automatically or else I dont go online so I got forced an update.

Edge installed a new search bar on my task bar and I cant even mouse over it without it opening edge, so I leave it alone and dont touch it, just close edge when it opens. It used to open 40 times a day on it's own! But has become less over time gradually. I'm all the way down to maybe 5 times a day edge opens. Makes me want to smack Bill Gates.

I miss my pager. That was enough technology for me!

I don't have windows 11...I have windows 10 !! I just managed to look it up in settings, lol. I thought I had 11 lol. No wonder that video seemed so familiar as he talked.
 

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Your right Johann, can be used for good and for evil.

That's a reasonable point. I have even watched videos and read articles about people testing AI and asking it to write them a sermon, and it did and it sounded good, and full of truth!

So riddle me this:

If it wrote a sermon and expressed seven great truths in it....and then it slipped in one little lie...how would you know it?

Are you better versed in scripture than AI is? I doubt it! So how can one be sure if AI lies?

A little leaven leaveneth the whole loaf. Something to ponder.
 
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That's a reasonable point. I have even watched videos and read articles about people testing AI and asking it to write them a sermon, and it did and it sounded good, and full of truth!
Wrong way to use it, this is the lazy man's way.
If it wrote a sermon and expressed seven great truths in it....and then it slipped in one little lie...how would you know it?
We are fallible and we all make mistakes.
Are you better versed in scripture than AI is? I doubt it! So how can one be sure if AI lies?
AI can make mistakes, the Scriptures can't-you have the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you into the Aleithia-yes?
A little leaven leaveneth the whole loaf. Something to ponder.
Duly noted.

J.
 

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I have never used AI. I wont even use 5G internet, lol! I wont even use Grammarly or anything like that. I admit it's tempting, but I have always said no.
I dont use AI it is just in Braves browser, when you do a search it just answers on the top of the search, you really cant miss it. And I have never used Grammarly either. I should though, maybe I could convert it. I dont know if I have a 5 G connection with my laptop, but my phone is a flip phone, I never had one of those flat glass covered iphone type phones. Although, I dont know what that means for me other than I can be a little tech phobe to a certain degree more or less.
My son used to be my computer guy but I don't live close to him anymore. I miss him.
I need to rent one of those computer sons, its great you could call him and he could get you through whatever glitch you are experiencing.
Doesn't hurt to try it! Even if it don't work for you it Did work for me. I was astonished that it started working good right after I did that! I understand that at some point my computer will be old enough that even prayer can't help it, they get old too, lol.
I just purchased a few refurbished laptops to I keep offline, for music, study, documents, etc because I know I will be leaving the internet altogether if I have to get Windows 11, thats my red line, so I am preparing now. Leaning Ubuntu, purchased a virtual box to install on my puter for hands on practice on the computer but without the fear that you could possibly screw up your computer if you screw up in the virtual box.

I had previously left participating online for a year but it come to my attention Microsoft pushed back the updates for another year (till Oct 2025) so I am back on getting it out of my system haha.
 
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Wow this teaching video is so good! And it gets better as it goes along! So much information here! I thought it would fit in this thread easily, as we (I) was sort of discussing evil spirits. And this pops up on my feed! He tells how demons get into people. And he ends it with such a powerful prayer! Whoa.

 
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Wow this teaching video is so good! And it gets better as it goes along! So much information here! I thought it would fit in this thread easily, as we (I) was sort of discussing evil spirits. And this pops up on my feed! He tells how demons get into people. And he ends it with such a powerful prayer! Whoa.

One question-are you into the Word of Faith movement? Pentecostal?

J.
 

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I think if I remember right, when I was poking around trying to uninstal it, it got to a point where it basically threatened me that my computer wouldn't work unless I let them have their way! And I've been thru that before, and I dunno how to create restore points. I watched my son do it before and he even reloaded the system for me one time, but I didn't catch how exactly he did it! (I miss him so much!)

Another thing is I bought a computer and it runs fine and lets me surf the net. I caught on to the Noton scam pretty quick and computer updates! I know they hide the new bad stuff in the updates, it makes sense they would. And if my computer is sunning ok right now without an update, then No, no updates, and I resist updates, lol. And my computer continues to fuction ok. But sometimes, it forces me to update. When I turn it on it just says...Updating....and it goes thru it automatically or else I dont go online so I got forced an update.

Edge installed a new search bar on my task bar and I cant even mouse over it without it opening edge, so I leave it alone and dont touch it, just close edge when it opens. It used to open 40 times a day on it's own! But has become less over time gradually. I'm all the way down to maybe 5 times a day edge opens. Makes me want to smack Bill Gates.

I miss my pager. That was enough technology for me!
You can just go to youtube and look up how to create a restore point, its pretty easy to do. I love that you can follow along with a video.

I hate that search bar I got rid of that too, there are videos on that too.

Yeah, he really did ruin a good thing I hear ya.