Adam & Eve

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God made no covenant with Adam after he sinned.

...not that you "know" of.

Are you teachible Keiw?

 

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@TheHC @Aunty Jane @Mark51

Keeping you up to date with Keiws error.

1. Keiw doesn't believe his God makes Covenants, especially when sin has just entered the world (big, big problem!)
2. He doesn't believe Adam is a son of God as taught in both Testaments

It's clear the JW's must revisit Genesis 3 as this account is the seed-bed upon which the entire New Covenant is founded. The lamb slain from the foundation of the earth, and it appears you don't have that knowledge or understanding.

F2F

 

[Keiw]

That post was speaking to Mercy one of Jehovah Gods attributes so I'm confused by your respones.

F2F

Have no fear--Jehovah will show all.

 

[Keiw]

...not that you "know" of.

Are you teachible Keiw?

Not by one in darkness. I believe these-Matt 24:45

 

[face2face]

Not by one in darkness. I believe these-Matt 24:45

I think your understanding has run its course in this discussion.

You are best to refrain and look into those things which have been shown you. I am certain Aunty Jane is doing so! The Lord reveals His hidden things to His own

F2F

 

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@Keiw @Aunty Jane @Mark51 @TheHC

Allow me to place the Covenant to Adam here for your comment:

And I (Jehovah God) will put hostility (enmity) between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring’s heel.” Ge 3:15.

There are a number of insights into this Covenant which proves essential (keys) in understanding the Gospel as preached to Adam, Noah, Abraham etc.

I'll allow you to provide the JW perspective before sharing the wonder of this Covenant

F2F

 

[TheHC]

Grief!! I’ve had to be away for awhile — other responsibilities — and I come back & wow!

F2F, what’s up? My goodness, you make it seem that these issues re: A&E, which to me are minor, are of utmost importance to learn, to gain life! A&E have been dead for millennia!

The issue with this JW teaching is you present your God as Merciless, which is not His Character! It's strange for a group of believers who claim to know the One True God to present Him in a way which is not consistent with His revealed Character is a conundrum.

What do you lack? @Keiw @Aunty Jane @Mark51 @TheHC

Rachuwm (MERCY)

God not just desire's to forgive, it is His Character to forgive...

Usage of Rachuwm connects why God forgives in Deut 4:31; 2 Chron 30:9; Psa 86:15, 103:8, 111:4, 112:4, 145:8; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2

A Genuine appeal for forgiveness!

Neh 9:17,31; Psa 78:38 No spirit of repentance

78:38 Yet he is compassionate. He forgives sin and does not destroy. He often holds back his anger, and does not stir up his fury Ps 78:38.

Yet, God still forgave because He is merciful!

The Root is Racham (verb) – to cherish, love

God’s love for His people as per Isa 14:1 Adam and Eve included

God enemies who will have no love (‘mercy’) which is why the serpent was made to crawl on the earth always to be associated with earthly thinking - carnal thinking will always result in death.

It is sad the basis of your belief begins with a Merciless god; I'm struggling to see how this was missed by your teachers and I would be interested to know when this teaching originated in your history?

Also, the first pair were not perfect - creation was "very good" - pleasing to Jehovah God, but held the potential consequence of sin.

Hope that helps

F2F

But, they were perfect. Otherwise, Jesus’ perfect blood wouldn’t have needed to be sacrificed!

And a perfect person can hold “the potential consequence of sin”; if not, Satan wouldn’t have bothered testing Jesus, @ Matthew 4 / Luke 4.

With understanding other matters, we’ll just have to wait and see.

I agree, Jehovah is merciful… when there’s a basis to show it. That’s Jehovah’s call.

Take care, my cousin.

 

[face2face]

Grief!! I’ve had to be away for awhile — other responsibilities — and I come back & wow!

F2F, what’s up? My goodness, you make it seem that these issues re: A&E, which to me are minor, are of utmost importance to learn, to gain life! A&E have been dead for millennia!


But, they were perfect. Otherwise, Jesus’ perfect blood wouldn’t have needed to be sacrificed!

And a perfect person can hold “the potential consequence of sin”; if not, Satan wouldn’t have bothered testing Jesus, @ Matthew 4 / Luke 4.

With understanding other matters, we’ll just have to wait and see.

I agree, Jehovah is merciful… when there’s a basis to show it. That’s Jehovah’s call.

Take care, my cousin.

Wow a lot of words which say what?

Lets explore this ridiculous comment "But, they were perfect. Otherwise, Jesus’ perfect blood wouldn’t have needed to be sacrificed!"

Show me in the record where their perfection is mentioned.
Show me the connection between A&E perfection and Jesus's perfection?

Do you believe that which is made of the earth, earthy is perfection?

The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 1 Cor 15:47

So what was perfect about their nature? They were merely flesh and blood creatures with pure consciences....nothing more.

You have some work to do HC

Enjoy the day

F2F

 

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Have no fear--Jehovah will show all.

But he hasn't shown you the Covenant to Adam?

And I (Jehovah God) will put hostility (enmity) between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring’s heel.” Ge 3:15.

If you don't know this Covenant how are you to know any of them?

If Genesis 3 is merely explained away @TheHC how are you to understand how He deals with sin and the way of redemption by the sacrifice of His lamb slain from the foundation of the earth?

Where do you start the story of the Bible? At Abraham?

Do you know how many times you have spoken to any of these principles in this thread?

Do you know how many times you have spoken or even tried to explain Genesis 3:15?

It's as though you don't want that chapter to exist!

Have a go - explain what Jehovah God will do in that verse, give meaning to the words and how they would echo through the whole Bible

Don't be afraid Keiw

F2F

 

[face2face]

Grief!! I’ve had to be away for awhile — other responsibilities — and I come back & wow!

F2F, what’s up? My goodness, you make it seem that these issues re: A&E, which to me are minor, are of utmost importance to learn, to gain life! A&E have been dead for millennia!

Minor?

God's Covenant with Adam
God's judgement of carnal thinking
Man made coverings?
The first pair taught to forsake and replace with a sacrifice animal (skin) and placed upon them to cover their shame!

Minor? Minor is your response, that is what is minor...the ignorance is unfathomable.

You can't even talk to these lessons, at all, its as though Genesis 3 has been ripped out of your Bibles - I had to check to see if it was there and thankfully it was, so you are without excuse on this HC.

Are you towing the party line? You can continue to fail to enter your NWT with all its cross references which highlight for you these teachings, or you just come and and say with honesty - we can see what Jehovah God is teaching there, but our elders have made a tradition of men and we must uphold it.

 

[TheHC]

Show me in the record where their perfection is mentioned.

What if they hadn’t rebelled? They would not have died!

Tell me then, even after Adam rebelled… why did he live to be 930 yrs.old? Why did his immediate offspring, up to the 9th generation, live into their 900’s?


If you want to be nasty & belittling, F2F….then goodbye.

We try not to fight over God’s Word. — 2 Timothy 2:23,24.

 

[face2face]

What if they hadn’t rebelled? They would not have died!

So you believe they were immortal? Their nature was immortal? Surely not!

Tell me then, even after Adam rebelled… why did he live to be 930 yrs.old? Why did his immediate offspring, up to the 9th generation, live into their 900’s?

I can't wait to here your explanation!

If you want to be nasty & belittling, F2F….then goodbye.

No nastiness here, just frustration with your claims this thread is dealing with minor issues - as though you are belittling what is being taught in Genesis 3. You make claims without any support at all.

Even in your replies where is your understanding of what Jehovah God is doing - not once have you, Keiw, Aunty of Mark51 said a single word to these verses - why is that?

We try not to fight over God’s Word. — 2 Timothy 2:23,24.

Agree...so prove what you believe from the Word and stop making ridiculous statements. Don't forget you are the one who ridiculed this thread not I.

F2F

 

[face2face]

@TheHC no doubt you have read 5 pages now of me trying to engage a group of JW's to discuss the divine principles in Genesis 3 and you would have to agree their responses have been less than satisfactory.

What's interested me more than the weak replies is not once in 5 pages of posts has anyone provided any explanation to Genesis 3 - now Aunty Jane tried in another thread, but even then you could see she struggled to deal with the themes of this chapter (though she tried!).

Why is this?

F2F

 

[TheHC]

@TheHC no doubt you have read 5 pages now of me trying to engage a group of JW's to discuss the divine principles in Genesis 3 and you would have to agree their responses have been less than satisfactory.

What's interested me more than the weak replies is not once in 5 pages of posts has anyone provided any explanation to Genesis 3 - now Aunty Jane tried in another thread, but even then you could see she struggled to deal with the themes of this chapter (though she tried!).

Why is this?

F2F

No, I haven’t read all of that. Too much.

What I did read, is you stating Genesis 3:15 is God’s covenant to Adam?
Jehovah was addressing the Serpent / Satan.

You say @Aunty Jane “tried in another thread”; well then, why are you bringing it up again?

Aunty Jane doesn’t ‘struggle’ with putting thoughts into words; I’m sure Aunty Jane explained it well — better than I could have.

Goodnight.

 

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No, I haven’t read all of that. Too much.

What I did read, is you stating Genesis 3:15 is God’s covenant to Adam?
Jehovah was addressing the Serpent / Satan.

Boy you are loose with the Word of God HC

And I (Jehovah God) will put hostility (enmity) between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring; her offspring will attack your head, and you will attack her offspring’s heel.” Ge 3:15.

God is separating two lineages, between those who represent the Serpent (of the flesh, carnal) and those of the Spirit, Women = Christ (seed of the women)

The Enmity is a war to the death between the way of righteousness and the way of sin. John 15:19; 16:33; Rom. 7:18-23; 8:6-7
Gal. 5:17, and many other supporting text!

What will happen to the serpent?
What will happen to the women?
What story followed this account which reveal this war?

Provide an explanation using the text please

A lot to learn HC!

You say @Aunty Jane “tried in another thread”; well then, why are you bringing it up again?

Aunty Jane doesn’t ‘struggle’ with putting thoughts into words; I’m sure Aunty Jane explained it well — better than I could have.

Goodnight.

No, she struggled! I agree aunty jane usually expresses herself very well and you will note I am the first to state such truths but with Genesis 3 as you are showing, a struggle

Sleep well.

F2F

 

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@Keiw @TheHC @Aunty Jane @Mark51

Lets make this easier for you all.

Who is the seed of the Woman?

Can you answer that simple question?

F2F

 

[Keiw]

@Keiw @TheHC @Aunty Jane @Mark51

Lets make this easier for you all.

Who is the seed of the Woman?

Can you answer that simple question?

F2F

Jesus and his 144,000 are the seed. The woman is Gods heavenly organization of spirit creatures.

 

[face2face]

Jesus and his 144,000 are the seed. The woman is Gods heavenly organization of spirit creatures.

No, I asked you who in Genesis 3:15 is the seed of the woman.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Jesus and his 144,000 are the seed. The woman is Gods heavenly organization of spirit creatures.

And if this is true then you have just proven to yourself and all the JW's in this forum that God made a Covenant with Adam (& Eve)

F2F

@TheHC HC - still minor things?

 

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@Aunty Jane

Are you able to assist Keiw and HC by stating who is the "Seed of the Woman" in Genesis 3:15?

F2F